Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

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Will this be like last year where we start getting guys back after the bye and get more competitive?

Hope so, coz we are already a lot more competitive this year so any increase could see us snag 3 or 4 wins.

I'd take 5 wins right now but likely 2-3 Max Is what we're looking at

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Will this be like last year where we start getting guys back after the bye and get more competitive?

Hope so, coz we are already a lot more competitive this year so any increase could see us snag 3 or 4 wins.

I'd take 5 wins right now but likely 2-3 Max Is what we're looking at

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It could be a little like 2009 when we get on a run in the backhalf of the year and finish a few spots higher than otherwise. We will then lament for a decade on how it cost us star players at the draft, only to be able to see in hindsight that the 2009 was pretty weak.
 
It could be a little like 2009 when we get on a run in the backhalf of the year and finish a few spots higher than otherwise. We will then lament for a decade on how it cost us star players at the draft, only to be able to see in hindsight that the 2009 was pretty weak.
Who will be the Masto equivalent? Young player that goes on a purple patch of form to only become the whipping boy in following years.
 
Who will be the Masto equivalent? Young player that goes on a purple patch of form to only become the whipping boy in following years.
Luke Edwards?
Maybe Chesser if he comes back for the last half and goes on a rampage. He's already got potential whipping boy status as a first round draft pick at the start of a rebuild.
 
Looking at injury lists from other clubs and their positions on the ladder.

St Kilda: 14 injured. 1st
Essendon: 12 injured 2nd
Collingwood: 9 injured 3rd
Carlton: 11 injured. 4th
Sydney: 10 injured 5th
Melbourne: 9 injured 6th

Our injury woes aren't unique to clubs and imo doesn't reflect the reason we are poor on field.
Most of those clubs have key personnel out injured the same as us.

Poor recruiting and poor coaching is to blame for our inability to win games imo.
 
Perth demons train and play on mineral resources park aswell . What are their injuries like the last few years ?

It’s a fair question but I’d suggest maybe because they’d train on the oval less and perhaps at a lower intensity
 
Looking at injury lists from other clubs and their positions on the ladder.

St Kilda: 14 injured. 1st
Essendon: 12 injured 2nd
Collingwood: 9 injured 3rd
Carlton: 11 injured. 4th
Sydney: 10 injured 5th
Melbourne: 9 injured 6th

Our injury woes aren't unique to clubs and imo doesn't reflect the reason we are poor on field.
Most of those clubs have key personnel out injured the same as us.

Poor recruiting and poor coaching is to blame for our inability to win games imo.
St K in particular have been absolutely smashed by injury since the preseason. No doubt we’d still be a bottom side with no injuries - the main problem is that the guys we need to develop are being impacted as well
 

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Not me, other afl clubs have moved onto the new school of physiotherapy. We are still stuck in the past. Clubs like Brisbane and Hawthorn that have got perma injured guys out on the park vs us.
I'm studying Physiotherapy atm and like most fields it is being taught very differently to how it was even 2 years ago let alone 10-20 which was mostly just rote learning. Research changes all the time, one of my lecturers wrote a book on pain management and by the time it was published most of the info was outdated. Australia is also so far behind other countries in these areas
 
Looking at injury lists from other clubs and their positions on the ladder.

St Kilda: 14 injured. 1st
Essendon: 12 injured 2nd
Collingwood: 9 injured 3rd
Carlton: 11 injured. 4th
Sydney: 10 injured 5th
Melbourne: 9 injured 6th

Our injury woes aren't unique to clubs and imo doesn't reflect the reason we are poor on field.
Most of those clubs have key personnel out injured the same as us.

Poor recruiting and poor coaching is to blame for our inability to win games imo.
I'm not saying its as simple as this, but both St Kilda and Essendon have a very different list profile to us, both in terms of who is getting injured, who they have available and what sort of experience they have available.

What is absolutely devastating about our current outs is how badly they've broken apart the structures we use to win games.

The most important thing in football is to win clearances. Our best clearance players are Naitanui, Yeo and Shuey and to a lesser extent Sheed. To then lose both our second tier ruckman on top of that is just lol.

We also rely heavily on intercept marks to springboard off the HB line. Cya McGovern, Hurn and just for shits and giggles the logical replacement for Gov in Edwards.

Historically our forward line is hugely reliant on efficient movement through half forward to generate good entries. Having lost Rioli, the two most important players in that position are...Cripps and Ryan.

You can shuffle players around, but clearances, intercept marks and efficient forward 50 entries are basically a laundry list of how to win games of football, and no team bats 3 or 4 deep in those positions and as bad as the lack of.match hardened players is the lack of synergy because none of the guys being asked to play those roles have spent any time together. We're not just slotting one or two noobs into positions, against Geelong we were starting centre square combinations where Kelly was the only guy to have played like 50 games onball, and at least 2 or 3 of our 4 players in there had probably contested less centre bounces then the geelong on ball division had played games.

Yes some hard calls need to be made about whether we can continue to hitch our wagons to injury prone guys in those roles but there's only so much you can do.

The one which just made me laugh and flat out give up on this year was Yeo going down again. He had a huge preseason where he was looking absolutely great on ball and in prime physical condition, he's still under 30 and as gun clearance player he's a game winner. He was immense in that role against port in the preseason and he pretty much orchestrated a 5 goal run in a quarter in that position against Geelong. For him to go down on the eve of round one, miss 3 games, get kept in cotton wool for two games and then go down again is just... ****. Its pretty much hopeless. This year is a write off.

The frustrating part of it is underneath it all the gameplan actually doesn't look too bad- they are playing attractive attacking football with key forwards who cause defences problems, but the current state of the list is shambolic.
 
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It could be a little like 2009 when we get on a run in the backhalf of the year and finish a few spots higher than otherwise. We will then lament for a decade on how it cost us star players at the draft, only to be able to see in hindsight that the 2009 was pretty weak.
Ended up with Sheppard that draft, and eventually got Jetta as well, reckon it worked out okay. I still remember the team beat the dogs in Melbourne on that winning run, they ended up just missing the grand final. Those types of wins will come in the next few seasons, when you go into a game with no expectation at all and come away with the win, its going to be fun.
 
Looking at injury lists from other clubs and their positions on the ladder.

St Kilda: 14 injured. 1st
Essendon: 12 injured 2nd
Collingwood: 9 injured 3rd
Carlton: 11 injured. 4th
Sydney: 10 injured 5th
Melbourne: 9 injured 6th

Our injury woes aren't unique to clubs and imo doesn't reflect the reason we are poor on field.
Most of those clubs have key personnel out injured the same as us.

Poor recruiting and poor coaching is to blame for our inability to win games imo.
Yes, a number of other clubs have substantial injury lists. Your blanket statement around our injury list fails on so many levels, i.e., a comparison of key players injured, strategic impact of our injuries on our backline, forward line and centreline. The length of time key players (and others) are sidelined and the performance impact following a player’s return.

Your comment about poor recruiting is a real head scratcher, I don’t think we could have done much better with our picks over the last few years. We took a gamble with Tim Kelly, and it hasn’t been overly successful, so that was a questionable recruiting decision. If you’re implying that we should have been more ruthless at the trade table then we probably wouldn’t have the likes of Bazzo, Ginbey and Hewett etc. We did pick up a couple of discards from other clubs that weren’t overly successful, but for the most part they cost us next to nothing.

As for poor coaching, I guess that’s a subject of continuous debate but not one I support. We all agree it’s been a shit couple of years on the field for WC and the reasons are well documented. Better to look forward than reflecting endlessly on the past, which incidentally saw us participate in 2 grand finals and one premiership. Look on the bright side, you could be a St Kilda supporter!
 
Looking at injury lists from other clubs and their positions on the ladder.

St Kilda: 14 injured. 1st
Essendon: 12 injured 2nd
Collingwood: 9 injured 3rd
Carlton: 11 injured. 4th
Sydney: 10 injured 5th
Melbourne: 9 injured 6th

Our injury woes aren't unique to clubs and imo doesn't reflect the reason we are poor on field.
Most of those clubs have key personnel out injured the same as us.

Poor recruiting and poor coaching is to blame for our inability to win games imo.

The amount of players is not a reflection. More the quality, players of AA squad potential ect.

If you look at St Kilda. Steele & King are big losses but after that it tends to fall back to role players.

There mid to long term injuries are Hayes (10-12), Hotton (10-12), King (4) Webster (3-4) Mckenzie (IND) Mclennan (IND)
 
Simmos presser did not make for happy listening. Thinks there will be another 5 changes from the weekend due to injury.
Shuey back in but looking likely a NGA will be named in our squad due to lack of injury cover.
Yikes.


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