Coach So you want Voss gone? Who will replace him and why would they want to coach Carlton?

[Hurricane Murphy]

He is 30 games into his Carlton coaching career.
Give him a break. He hasn't got a magic wand .
Can you imagine hawthorn getting rid of clarkson 30 games in ?
Show some patience people.

Teague was sacked under the premise that we needed an 'experienced' coach to come in and take us to the next level - which was finals. 2 years in and he hasn't done it.

Voss doesn't get the same amount of time or forgiveness re-build coaches do. He's also had many other years as a failed senior coach.

 

[Coops93]

Teague was sacked under the premise that we needed an 'experienced' coach to come in and take us to the next level - which was finals. 2 years in and he hasn't done it.

Voss doesn't get the same amount of time or forgiveness re-build coaches do. He's also had many other years as a failed senior coach.

I think we talked ourselves into a corner with that one. When we said it we were really after Lyon or Clarkson. Maybe even Scott.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Wouldn't surprise me if cook bought Sanderson in some form or another maybe even to replace Lloyd -- I know he went with Scott over him at geelong but the two have a positive history -- I think this role would suit him and the club whether you keep Voss or not
That would give him two lieutenant in important position football departmant and recruiting and development with lonergan

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Teague was sacked under the premise that we needed an 'experienced' coach to come in and take us to the next level - which was finals. 2 years in and he hasn't done it.

Voss doesn't get the same amount of time or forgiveness re-build coaches do. He's also had many other years as a failed senior coach.

Part of the reason they wanted the senior coach was they wanted someone to buy football department knowledge. Good head coaches run good football departments in partnership with their Brad Lloyd equivalents.

I don't know but In my opinion it looks a bit like Voss hasn't evolved the football department into a high performance environment.

Who knows though. Maybe there's still a lag effect from teagues shocker.

 

[jpfalvo]

Teague was sacked under the premise that we needed an 'experienced' coach to come in and take us to the next level - which was finals. 2 years in and he hasn't done it.

Voss doesn't get the same amount of time or forgiveness re-build coaches do. He's also had many other years as a failed senior coach.

Teague was sacked due to perception of underperforming list. Expectation was finals

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[Jimmyonesix]

Teague was sacked due to perception of underperforming list. Expectation was finals

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Maybe list was over rated even though they were underperforming - the ceiling set may be to high

 

[JustaBattler]

Teague was sacked due to perception of underperforming list. Expectation was finals

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Maybe the idjots on the Board who kept on sacking coaches should have been sacked.

 

[Schoonerman]

I like a lot on here are feeling disillusioned with our footy
To not give a stuff about watching footy shows during the week to even not bothered to watch our next game
It is just bog ordinary to watch….

We can say it’s the players and not the coach but generally the players play well if they believe and can see direction..
They look like they are seriously up shit creek without a paddle

I reckon Don Pyke is the go
He had the Cows playing some serious footy in 2015-2019 with a list half as good as they have now
Yes he fell on his sword for a stuff up from his lieutenants (as he should’ve)
But I reckon he would’ve learnt from it

Hands up who has never stuffed up?

Thoughts on the Pyke ??

 

[Blue and Blue]

Maybe the idjots on the Board who kept on sacking coaches should have been sacked.

 

[Blue1980]

Have heard that plenty. Then have so heard coaches and scouts say it's not different and the tweaks don't actually change as much as the media likes to pretend.

Voss Brisbane 3peat team would probably be top 4 in this era crushing everyone playing like they did back then.

Do what works for your playing group

I agree, it’s also not as if the way football is played has changed since last year.

Main difference is most of our best players who had very good years to career best years are down this year, namely mckay, Cripps, hewett, kennedy, Saad, fisher and Young.

Then this has flowed down to players playing for themselves, and also the game plan being impotent. Whether it’s the game plan making out players look crap or vice versa, depends on your mileage.

 

[Magruder]

I don’t believe the game plan is to timidly chip or hand pass the ball ever backwards while under pressure with 5he culmination a hurried dump kick to a contest or a shallow entry.

The game plan isn’t the turgid, scoreless and joyless way we’ve played anymore than it’s the helter skelter, unsustainable style we saw at times last year. (As exhilarating as it was).

There were instances where we moved the ball properly on Friday and some of our more maligned players were instrumental.

Silvagni switching to Acres free on the fat side. No score but a good entry. (And iirc Harry marked and gaoled from the resulting throw in And play.)
Picking our way through Melbs broken unset zone with Cerra and Cotts - Cripps running hard forward of the ball to provide a target 60 out before finding Acres who slots it.
Cerra again to Gov free in the middle spearing a pass to Charlie on the lead - mark - goal.

it’s not tactical nous (in isolation) that we’re lacking, nor just Footspeed. we’ve attempted to move to a more controlled sustainable style (as the situation requires) and have over corrected. The players seem to have gone into their shells, but worse are trying to keep track of 35 other relational markers while making split second decisions and executing complex physical skills under pressure and fatigue.

Its all become too hard, too complicated and a rolling maul of collective anxiety.

The playing Group need a circuit breaker but sacking Voss is not it.

 

[Blue1980]

The approach to hiring coaches has been disastrous for 20 plus years with one exception.

The one time they ran an uncompromised coach search lead to us having Bolton who for the first phase of his career did what he needed to. He brought together a very young squad and developed high end talent into All Australian level. He just couldn't take the next step and turn that development into wins. But overall he was a success in turning the list around.

The club needs to run proper coaching searches without saying dumb s**t like it must be a veteran coach. It's knee jerk and foolish. Imagine if Collingwood said that 18 months ago!



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In hindsight losing Neil Craig and not replacing him was the killer with Bolts

 

[Blue1980]

Adam Kingsley was interviewed twice for the role and was just behind Voss for the role.
In hindsight we may have made the wrong choice.

Yep, sayers backed himself and the club into a corner saying we wanted an experienced coach.

Really narrowed it down.

 

[Blue1980]

I'd say people overestimate the head coach and underestimate the role of the assistant coaches. They operate in a symbiotic relationship. Replacing the head (Voss) and keeping the same organs (assistant coaches) will not cure the problem.

I agree, and we don’t know the internal workings as we aren’t there.

However, based on what we can see Voss has to carry the can for this game plan and doubling down on what isn’t working

 

[Blue1980]

I dont know if i want Voss gone, im on the fence/undecided. But, if he were to go....

...This Ratten bloke has North Melbourne playing hard at it footy...

Just some food for thought...

They scored 99 as well

The way we are tracking, it would take us 3 games to score 99

 

[Blue1980]

A dominant midfield makes everyone look better.....

Last year before the injuries- Carltons' midfield was playing Top4 football - the fab five have been playing without a pre-season under their belts, recovering from 2 back surgeries and a foot surgery and nowhere near their best- Walsh is a shadow of the player he was last year. What is killing the midfield performance is lack of alternatives - people say Dow - well fine even with DOw we are still 2 players short - nto a position where the Club should be coming out of a full rebuild - but that is what you get when you outlayed on LoB/SPS/Dow as 3 top10 picks....and none of Fisher/Philp/Cuningham for one reason or another have made it (al;l first round selections) - and Williams who was supposed to be a mid-rotation - isn't even on the park...

I'll put it another way- if all of Hewett/Kennedy/Walsh/Cripps were as fit s they were last year - Carlton would be positive on the W/L ratio - at least - despite the issues up forward.

That is definitely a big factor, interrupted pre seasons and injuries for all of Hewett, Kennedy, Walsh and Cripps.

In saying that (and I am far from a Dow fan), Dow should be getting more of a go on that basis alone, considering his output in vfl is greater than it’s ever been.

 

[Blue1980]

Prendercast boys, one of which is close to Kingsley has been saying since 2021 that, the club interviewed Kingsley but as a first time coach didnt think he was marketable enough.

They then offered him senior assistant role, but choose to stay on goal.to reach head coach. Hence GWS

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Yep, Kingsley should of been the guy, but Sayers and the board are imbeciles

 

[deathanxiety]

I was a fan of Kingsley's and wanted us to get him. I was pretty disappointed we got Voss. i know someone related to Adam and they laughed when we signed Voss. Said we would never get close to winning anything with him. They worked at Port Adelaide when Voss was there and the talk about him was pretty average.

 

[jpfalvo]

Alarm bells for me with Voss, was post his Brisbane sacking, he went to Port Adelaide under Hinkley.

In terms of his development, he had only heard 1 voice for 10yrs. He should have been moving around from system to system to develop greater knowledge if he aspired to be senior coach again.

It woud be nice to know what Voss presented to the selection committee that made them decide ok, Voss is the man.

Was it a gameplan? A method of play?
Would have thought he would have demanded to bring support staff as well.... should have learnt as much...

Collingwood didnt like what he was selling, and thus didnt make 2nd round of their process, so what was it for us?

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[Osc1]

Alarm bells for me with Voss, was post his Brisbane sacking, he went to Port Adelaide under Hinkley.

In terms of his development, he had only heard 1 voice for 10yrs. He should have been moving around from system to system to develop greater knowledge if he aspired to be senior coach again.

It woud be nice to know what Voss presented to the selection committee that made them decide ok, Voss is the man.

Was it a gameplan? A method of play?
Would have thought he would have demanded to bring support staff as well.... should have learnt as much...

Collingwood didnt like what he was selling, and thus didnt make 2nd round of their process, so what was it for us?

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You know when you were out at a club at the age of 18 or 19 and it was nearing the end of the night and you still hadn’t picked up ? I imagine it was something like that.

 

[Doro]

It woud be nice to know what Voss presented to the selection committee that made them decide ok, Voss is the man.

Was it a gameplan? A method of play?
Would have thought he would have demanded to bring support staff as well.... should have learnt as much...

Collingwood didnt like what he was selling, and thus didnt make 2nd round of their process, so what was it for us?

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Contested footy and defense. Rather than tweaking the Teague run and gun style, it was disassembled and started again from scratch. Reactive decisions abound at Carlton. You watch the next coach rip the defensive mechanisms to pieces and open up the flood gates again with a run and gun game plan.

 

[Brighton_Diggins]

We played some insanely exciting footy under Voss last year. We've forgotten that pretty quickly. Whateley on SEN said many times that we were his 'guilty pleasure' when our mid field was cranking. we were irresistible at times. we were all feeling it. Where that's gone is anyones guess.

I think our current position has all stemmed from the collapse last year. we should've played finals and i think the failure to do so has really haunted the group long term.

Anyway, I hope Voss can be the guy. He has the steely mental resolve to pull us thru. Whether he actually gets the chance who knows. But the players need to lift. They were dead set woeful against the demons. Not chasing , look flat footed, out of position etc etc. To me that's nearly all on the players. We had it last year. We looked red hot at times.
That doesn't just disappear.

Voss and the players need to dig themselves out of this. The time is now not 2024. massive opportunity to reset and take it to the bombers.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Changed my mind on Voss.
Don't think he can coach, but maybe it's time to see out a contract and hope something good happens next year

I think Voss is a leader of men and a senior coach doesn't have to do the teaching. He needs to manage the men under him who are doing the teaching. He does however have to listen to those men and implement a game plan that suits the team, and only add layers as his personnel changes to suit those layers.

 

[Juice030103]

Recruiting don Pyke would be the most Carlton recruit ever


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[Wickzki]

Recruiting don Pyke would be the most Carlton recruit ever


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Why's that?