Speculative Trade Discussion

[wapower]

Aren't we all concerned with our depth - for a reasonable price, Walker at over 100 games adds to our struggling mid-field.

Acquiring Andrew Walker flies in the face of what Peter Rohde has said our strategy would be moving forward, placing emphasis on good kicks of the football.

Well going on what was summarised from 5CC

"Peter Rohde about to be on 5CC.

Want to keep draft picks
Prepared to talk about D Motlop - preference to go west, but could go to Melbourne (assume he meant city not club). Did expect him to have a very good season and could be at Port. Is training now.
Anyone is tradeable if the right player is on offer
Want better footskills
Said we have two second-round picks
We want our second, third, fourth year players getting a chance to play - not be held up by incoming recruits. Any recruits would have to genuinely improve the side.
Rohde has been in Melbourne and Perth, draft camp talking to clubs
Assistant coaches - interviewed quite a few people, one today. Should be in place by end of the week."

He's interviewing coaches, meeting potential draftees etc etc Sounds like he has considerable influence.

But I don't want to start it up again, WApower and I agree on something, which is novel, but if you want to disagree that's fine too.

Andrew Walker does not fit the mould of acquiring a player with good foot skills.

 

[wapower]

Sure, but Krakouer is probably more talented than Sewell, Corey or Cornes. Doesn't make him a better player.

Talent, work ethic, intelligence, durability and courage are all as important as eachother. Players have a mix of some and not others, I would say Logan has more of the above attributes than Walker.

Logan had a very consistent, solid year in 2010 and deserves more recognition from this board than "well, hes better than Logan", because quite frankly, he isn't.

I'm not disagreeing with you but if you put the two players out there in a choose one let one walk most people would go with the perception that Andrew Walker would be chosen ahead of Tom Logan. That doesn't mean I'd chose Walker ahead of Logan.

As for Logan, I believe he had a very good season given the tasks he was asked to perform.

 

[Adz2332]

Aren't we all concerned with our depth - for a reasonable price, Walker at over 100 games adds to our struggling mid-field.

exactly! depth helps! Meyer isnt depth as far as im concerned...

Walker MUCH more talented then logan. I know he has heart and this and that. But i think Walker has the potential to step up and be and excellent player where as we have seen the best of Logan

 

[morell]

I'm not disagreeing with you but if you put the two players out there in a choose one let one walk most people would go with the perception that Andrew Walker would be chosen ahead of Tom Logan

I agree that a lot of people get sucked in to reputation, hype and myth.

Port fans have always known this to be true after witnessing The War Machine get continually underrated by the supposed expert football world.

 

[Portia]

I would rather have Logan in the 22 than Walker.

 

[morell]

I would rather have Logan in the 22 than Walker.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

The Collingwood trade with Gold Coast to get Andrew Krakouer and John Ceglar via the GC pre-listings has been announced ... nothing about Port trading in Simon Phillips that way yet.

 

[Alberton_Magpie]

Yes lets have Logan in our 22 over walker and people wonder why we are terribly shithouse

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Yes lets have Logan in our 22 over walker and people wonder why we are terribly shithouse

Spot on.

 

[wapower]

Yes lets have Logan in our 22 over walker and people wonder why we are terribly shithouse

Do you think there's the possibility that Carlton realizes Walker isn't all that considering they spent pick 2 on him in the 2003 National Draft and they need midfielders to help out Chris Judd?

This is one of those instant gratification moves that I can go with out. I'd rather see Rohde and the staff hold true to what they've said in developing players than recycling Andrew Walker (if we're not interested in the Sherman types of the world either) unless it's a 3rd round pick.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Do you think there's the possibility that Carlton realizes Walker isn't all that considering they spent pick 2 on him in the 2003 National Draft? and they need midfielders to help out Chris Judd?

Possibly, considering they predominantly played Walker in the backlines. At times at CHB.

If we get Walker, he'll win a lot of the non believers over.

 

[wayb2912]

logan is so overrated on this board. yes he does go in for the hard balls but when he gets it he turns it over. he has the worst disposal in our side, and i would rather have thomas (who is also tough but has questionable skills) in our lineup ahead of logan.

Walker would be a great pick up at the right price. I do not think he is worth our first rounder. I would trade Pettigrew + our 2nd rounder.

 

[wapower]

Possibly, considering they predominantly played Walker in the backlines. At times at CHB.

If we get Walker, he'll win a lot of the non believers over.

I can see why a club would be seduced with Andrew Walker. I'd throw our first rounder at him in a heartbeat if I wasn't concerned with his kicking. Using him in a rotation with Paul Stewart and Andrew Moore as flexible tall options who can play down back, go forward and push into the midfield is an interesting proposition but at what cost?

The cost of acquiring him plus his kicking is my concern. If his kicking improves and it's not our first rounder then you'd think about it because Walker's physical ability is something we could do with in the new era of subs/capped interchanges. I'd be more inclined to make the deal if Gray and Salopek weren't made of glass.

 

[Black 18]

Logan just finished in the top 10 in our Best and Fairest.

What has Walker done other than pay for some surgeons new Porsche?

Logan > Walker

Absolutely zero "status' in finishing in our top ten, doesn't hold any weight at all. Could field a team of Hackham thirds as our players and you still would have a top ten, doesn't mean they are good though.

There is a reason why we finished where we did this year, and last year, and the year before that, and it's not all to do with Choco being coach. We just have far too many barely AFL standard players, Logan's one of those.

You can name all the commitment stuff etc, and that's cool, he has that in bucket loads, but that in itself is never enough, and never will be.

Do you think Logan would get a game at any top 8 side? He wouldn't, and again there's reasons for that.

How anyone could even start to compare Logan with Walker is probably why we are where we are. We have become accepting of mediocrity. If someone tries hard they become a "cult" figure even though their actual output is poor.

Walker will go to someone for a reasonable pick, or player swap. Logan wouldn't get a game with any other AFL club, he wouldn't get a game with GC, he wouldn't get a game with GWS the year after either. We would get zero offers for Logan, and we would get laughed at if we tried to put him up as a trade option too.

Every single other club in the AFL, and their list management staff, have either made the same horrible mistake over and over, or you are really misjudging how good Logan actually is.

The bar is so so low atm.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

I can see why a club would be seduced with Andrew Walker. I'd throw our first rounder at him in a heartbeat if I wasn't concerned with his kicking. Using him in a rotation with Paul Stewart and Andrew Moore as flexible tall options who can play down back, go forward and push into the midfield is an interesting proposition but at what cost?

The cost of acquiring him plus his kicking is my concern. If his kicking improves and it's not our first rounder then you'd think about it because Walker's physical ability is something we could do with in the new era of subs/capped interchanges. I'd be more inclined to make the deal if Gray and Salopek weren't made of glass.

Yep. I wouldn't give up our pick 16 for him but our second rounder + change for sure. Jolly was traded for pick 14 last year and Walker isn't worth that.

Like you said, adding him to Stewart, Moore and even Broadbent gives our side a big look and a helluva lot of flexibility.

 

[Activ8]

I'd like to see Walker in a port jumper. I think he could provide a bit of height and pace in our forward line which we lack at times.

Durability is a big concern however surely he is worth a look and could provide alot of positives if he did end up on our list.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Rohde has confirmed Port's interest in Walker, and dismissed claims we will axe Motlop if not traded. He also reaffirmed Motlop is more likely to go to a Victorian club than to WA.

link

 

[Adz2332]

Absolutely zero "status' in finishing in our top ten, doesn't hold any weight at all. Could field a team of Hackham thirds as our players and you still would have a top ten, doesn't mean they are good though.

There is a reason why we finished where we did this year, and last year, and the year before that, and it's not all to do with Choco being coach. We just have far too many barely AFL standard players, Logan's one of those.

You can name all the commitment stuff etc, and that's cool, he has that in bucket loads, but that in itself is never enough, and never will be.

Do you think Logan would get a game at any top 8 side? He wouldn't, and again there's reasons for that.

How anyone could even start to compare Logan with Walker is probably why we are where we are. We have become accepting of mediocrity. If someone tries hard they become a "cult" figure even though their actual output is poor.

Walker will go to someone for a reasonable pick, or player swap. Logan wouldn't get a game with any other AFL club, he wouldn't get a game with GC, he wouldn't get a game with GWS the year after either. We would get zero offers for Logan, and we would get laughed at if we tried to put him up as a trade option too.

Every single other club in the AFL, and their list management staff, have either made the same horrible mistake over and over, or you are really misjudging how good Logan actually is.

The bar is so so low atm.

cant agree with this post more!!! Reason we finished where we did!
Walker in my 22 over Logan... Actually as above Thomas and Walker in my 22 over Logan

 

[Portia]

The bar is so so low atm.

Absolutely, and suggestions of throwing our first round pick or similar to get a player like Walker in sure ain't raising it.

Seriously, how would having him around improve our side more than keeping our draft pick and getting games into the young guys on our list like Pittard, Moore etc?

We don't need to be just `better' for 2011, we need to be premiership quality for 2013 onwards. Don't **** around with marginal stopgaps.

 

[Mitch Power]

Absolutely zero "status' in finishing in our top ten, doesn't hold any weight at all. Could field a team of Hackham thirds as our players and you still would have a top ten, doesn't mean they are good though.

There is a reason why we finished where we did this year, and last year, and the year before that, and it's not all to do with Choco being coach. We just have far too many barely AFL standard players, Logan's one of those.

You can name all the commitment stuff etc, and that's cool, he has that in bucket loads, but that in itself is never enough, and never will be.

Do you think Logan would get a game at any top 8 side? He wouldn't, and again there's reasons for that.

How anyone could even start to compare Logan with Walker is probably why we are where we are. We have become accepting of mediocrity. If someone tries hard they become a "cult" figure even though their actual output is poor.

Walker will go to someone for a reasonable pick, or player swap. Logan wouldn't get a game with any other AFL club, he wouldn't get a game with GC, he wouldn't get a game with GWS the year after either. We would get zero offers for Logan, and we would get laughed at if we tried to put him up as a trade option too.

Every single other club in the AFL, and their list management staff, have either made the same horrible mistake over and over, or you are really misjudging how good Logan actually is.

The bar is so so low atm.

My view exactly. As much as I admire Logan's tenacity and determination, he is a tagger and 4th in line at Alberton at the moment behind Dom, Kane amd Matt Thomas. He lacks pace and has poor foot disposal and would never be starting 22 player at any top team. I haven't seen a lot of Walker but from what I've seen and the reports from others convinces me that he is an offensive midfielder type with more to offer than Tom Logan.

 

[Check-Raise !]

Rohde has confirmed Port's interest in Walker, and dismissed claims we will axe Motlop if not traded. He also reaffirmed Motlop is more likely to go to a Victorian club than to WA.

link

I don't know alot about Walker however from what I can see on here from 'most' supporters is he would be a plus for out club. This being the case i'm liking what is written above, as long as it doesn't cost us the world.

Imagine a year with 20 or more games played by Hartlett, Gray, Walker, Sal and others.... , pretty please.

Lets just get things done today if possible. When does trade week finish, is it tomorrow or has it been extended?

 

[Activ8]

Absolutely, and suggestions of throwing our first round pick or similar to get a player like Walker in sure ain't raising it.

Seriously, how would having him around improve our side more than keeping our draft pick and getting games into the young guys on our list like Pittard, Moore etc?

We don't need to be just `better' for 2011, we need to be premiership quality for 2013 onwards. Don't **** around with marginal stopgaps.

I think there is so much underlying potential there. Walker is only 24, he managed 15 games this season after a prolonged bout of injuries.

He is a quality player, fast and tall and with the likes of young up and coming players like hartlett etc around him he could evolve into something special.

 

[Portia]

OK, so win me over. How is he on shepherding, tackling, playing for his teammates, making good position to receive the ball, awareness of his play, and general annoying mouthiness?

 

[Activ8]

A good point you make is playing for his team mates. There seems a bit of uneasiness at Carlton with regard to players not getting opportunities.

Fair enough too when you are out with injuries for close to two years why wouldnt you give the other guys the opportunity to show something.

I believe he has been starved of opportunity. Lack of game time reduces confidence and produces poor performances.

He is looking for an opportunity somewhere else, what have we got to lose. We could potentially draft a youngster who may not perform, similar to what Walker did whilst at Carlton.

Walker is approaching his prime, these are the types of guys we should be targeting.

 

[Gillian Batty]

OK, so win me over. How is he on shepherding, tackling, playing for his teammates, making good position to receive the ball, awareness of his play, and general annoying mouthiness?

Terrible. He would need a massive kick up the arse.

I really hope the club works through this one carefully. I can see us being burnt by this.

If we give up our first rounder for him we would all be justified in feeling livid with the decision.