Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[edgie]

If the Han - Kylo scenes is one of the best scenes in the trilogy it’s speaks allot about the quality of trilogy.

It sure does

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[JackOutback]

SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY64% AVERAGE AUDIENCE SCORE


STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI 42% AVERAGE AUDIENCE SCORE

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Now do critical score.

 

[SM]

Now do critical score.

Relevance?

 

[Brick Loosener]

Now do critical score.

69 to 90

 

[JackOutback]

Relevance?

About as much as audience scores that were deliberately targeted.

69 to 90

Geez, that’s ridiculously high. 69?

 

[SM]

About as much as audience scores that were deliberately targeted.



Geez, that’s ridiculously high. 69?

Deliberately targeted? Explain?

 

[Brick Loosener]

Deliberately targeted? Explain?

Russian bots. time travelling Nazi's , incel trolls etc.
Rotten Tomatoes has done nothing about it though so it looks like the Last Jedi is the most disliked Star Wars film ever. Ewoks the Battle for Endor has a higher audience score haha

 

[JackOutback]

Russian bots. time travelling Nazi's , incel trolls etc.
Rotten Tomatoes has done nothing about it though so it looks like the Last Jedi is the most disliked Star Wars film ever. Ewoks the Battle for Endor has a higher audience score haha

What’s its user score on IMDB, per chance? From double the amount of reviews?

Some outright claimed they targeted Rotten Tomatoes to downvote the film. But RT aren’t going to overhaul their entire site because of a handful of whinges about one film.

 

[Brick Loosener]

What’s its user score on IMDB, per chance? From double the amount of reviews?

Some outright claimed they targeted Rotten Tomatoes to downvote the film. But RT aren’t going to overhaul their entire site because of a handful of whinges about one film.

You can just tell me if you like as you know the answer.
RT **** with their system when it suits them. If the score is so compromised why let it stand? And why would the IMBD be any less compromised?

 

[SM]

What’s its user score on IMDB, per chance? From double the amount of reviews?

Some outright claimed they targeted Rotten Tomatoes to downvote the film. But RT aren’t going to overhaul their entire site because of a handful of whinges about one film.

If it's a handful it wouldn't have a meaningful impact. Sounds a bit like excuse making.

If any diverse new films bomb its trolls and bots these days.

 

[atlas1]

If it's a handful it wouldn't have a meaningful impact. Sounds a bit like excuse making.

If any diverse new films bomb its trolls and bots these days.

And bots would never be used to artificially increase a rating, right? Studios would never do that

 

[edgie]

If it's a handful it wouldn't have a meaningful impact. Sounds a bit like excuse making.

If any diverse new films bomb its trolls and bots these days.

Nah, people accepted ROTS bombing pretty openly.

Only films that pretend to be smart like TLJ and come in on the back of a massive hype train.

By the time Skywalker came around, the train was out of steam.

 

[glenferry23]

Speaking of audience scores, The Clone Wars season 7 is an interesting example. 100% with critics and 94% with audiences.

That’s a hell of a lot of children being able to utilise the internet competently enough to artificially inflate the ratings.

 

[JackOutback]

And bots would never be used to artificially increase a rating, right? Studios would never do that

I highly doubt it; the public consequences of a studio caught manipulating reviews would be far more serious than some neckbeard in his mum’s basement. Any suggestions that TLJ ‘paid off’ critics or manipulated reviews are refuted simply by the performance of TROS. I mean, why would Disney simply give up on their successful strategy.

 

[JackOutback]

Speaking of audience scores, The Clone Wars season 7 is an interesting example. 100% with critics and 94% with audiences.

That’s a hell of a lot of children being able to utilise the internet competently enough to artificially inflate the ratings.

You guys are seriously hurt by this categorisation, aren’t you If Clone Wars is such an adult product, then it must have screened on an appropriately adult channel (checks Wiki: screened on Cartoon Network). Oh well, I guess the Cartoon Network airs adult cartoons like Family Guy etc (checks network: aimed at 6-14 year olds). Well, this is awkward.

Just because adults watch a kids show doesn’t make it an adults show. Otherwise My Little Pony is an adults’ show because Bronies. But if it helps, I’ll modify my comments to say it’s a kids’ show also viewed by obsessive adult Star Wars fans. Better?

 

[SM]

You guys are seriously hurt by this categorisation, aren’t you If Clone Wars is such an adult product, then it must have screened on an appropriately adult channel (checks Wiki: screened on Cartoon Network). Oh well, I guess the Cartoon Network airs adult cartoons like Family Guy etc (checks network: aimed at 6-14 year olds). Well, this is awkward.

Just because adults watch a kids show doesn’t make it an adults show. Otherwise My Little Pony is an adults’ show because Bronies. But if it helps, I’ll modify my comments to say it’s a kids’ show also viewed by obsessive adult Star Wars fans. Better?

Did you end up watching that video from Lucas or did you just ignore it? He said it's not an adult show like Family Guy. None of us have said it's an adult show. It's Star Wars. Star Wars is a children's product that you watch, you just choose not to watch it in some mediums that are aimed at exactly the same audience.

Kind of weird to highlight the network it aired on especially when Cartoon Network has Adult Swim.

You just need to stop because you're losing all credibility and becoming quite personal to dig yourself into this position.

 

[JackOutback]

Did you end up watching that video from Lucas or did you just ignore it? He said it's not an adult show like Family Guy. None of us have said it's an adult show. It's Star Wars. Star Wars is a children's product that you watch, you just choose not to watch it in some mediums that are aimed at exactly the same audience.

Kind of weird to highlight the network it aired on especially when Cartoon Network has Adult Swim.

You just need to stop because you're losing all credibility and becoming quite personal to dig yourself into this position.

There’s degrees and your analysis of Star Wars as a children’s product lacks nuance. There’s absolutely an argument that the OT are kids films that adults can watch. I watched them as a kid, that’s why I love them so much. But that doesn’t mean the Ewok films are also for adults. Part of the reason the PT proved unpopular is that Lucas again pitched them at kids, arguably more so than the OT, which alienated some of the older fans. The ST is rated M, Rogue One too, the argument they are aimed at kids doesn’t hold as true any more.

I enjoy watching Bluey with the kids, it’s arguably aimed at adults more than Clone Wars because it deliberately targets parents’ nostalgia and offers parenting lessons. But I’m not pretending I’m watching anything other than a children’s show. What’s silly is that you are so put out by the characterisation that a cartoon that plays on a children’s network is primarily a children’s show. You can watch your cartoon if you want. I read my books that other adults probably find silly. I’m not going to be offended by whatever characterisation others put on that.

 

[Royces Hart]

You guys are seriously hurt by this categorisation, aren’t you If Clone Wars is such an adult product, then it must have screened on an appropriately adult channel (checks Wiki: screened on Cartoon Network). Oh well, I guess the Cartoon Network airs adult cartoons like Family Guy etc (checks network: aimed at 6-14 year olds). Well, this is awkward.

Just because adults watch a kids show doesn’t make it an adults show. Otherwise My Little Pony is an adults’ show because Bronies. But if it helps, I’ll modify my comments to say it’s a kids’ show also viewed by obsessive adult Star Wars fans. Better?

For someone that posts a hell of a lot about Star Wars, you do like to catergorise other SW fans as obsessive, neckbeards, nerds etc

 

[glenferry23]

You guys are seriously hurt by this categorisation, aren’t you If Clone Wars is such an adult product, then it must have screened on an appropriately adult channel (checks Wiki: screened on Cartoon Network). Oh well, I guess the Cartoon Network airs adult cartoons like Family Guy etc (checks network: aimed at 6-14 year olds). Well, this is awkward.

Just because adults watch a kids show doesn’t make it an adults show. Otherwise My Little Pony is an adults’ show because Bronies. But if it helps, I’ll modify my comments to say it’s a kids’ show also viewed by obsessive adult Star Wars fans. Better?

You must have me confused with someone else, I’m not a Clone Wars watcher. I’ve seen perhaps 5 episodes in total, 4 of them being the final arc of season 7. Which I found comfortably better than the majority of the sequel trilogy.

So I’m not bothered whatsoever with the labels and categorisations. What I pass comment on is the consistently inconsistent bits and pieces you cherry pick to fill whichever narrative you’re commenting on, it’s fascinating to watch as a bystander.

There’s certainly an air of something, I can’t quite put my finger on it. Arrogance perhaps, for lack of a better word right now, the way you choose to put down these shows (despite not even watching them if I recall correctly). Not helped by word choices like “grown ass adults”, I cringed.

 

[SM]

There’s degrees and your analysis of Star Wars as a children’s product lacks nuance. There’s absolutely an argument that the OT are kids films that adults can watch. I watched them as a kid, that’s why I love them so much. But that doesn’t mean the Ewok films are also for adults. Part of the reason the PT proved unpopular is that Lucas again pitched them at kids, arguably more so than the OT, which alienated some of the older fans. The ST is rated M, Rogue One too, the argument they are aimed at kids doesn’t hold as true any more.

I enjoy watching Bluey with the kids, it’s arguably aimed at adults more than Clone Wars because it deliberately targets parents’ nostalgia and offers parenting lessons. But I’m not pretending I’m watching anything other than a children’s show. What’s silly is that you are so put out by the characterisation that a cartoon that plays on a children’s network is primarily a children’s show. You can watch your cartoon if you want. I read my books that other adults probably find silly. I’m not going to be offended by whatever characterisation others put on that.

I'm literally quoting Lucas so please don't speak down to me as if my point lacks nuance. You're the one tarring an entire show with a brush because the format is one you can't appreciate.

Part of the reason the PT proved unpopular was that the kids who loved the OT were now adults and didn't have nostalgia goggles letting them enjoy the films. As a kid in the age group they were targeted at I loved the PT. At a guess you're 35-40.

Guess what, the ST and Rogue One weren't made by Lucas. Go figure they're now aiming them at an older audience because they learned the lesson from the PT and are trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. PS they failed pretty miserably with the ST and there's a reason no peripheral material has continued on in that era.

No I'm put out by you hand waving people enjoying the Clone Wars as being because they're 'obsessive' and not because it's a good show. It's insulting and just serves to undermine any semblance of a point you may have had.

It wouldn't even matter if we didn't have to put up with your whinging about Ahsoka and how it's so hard for you to understand her because she has no context when no one else has that issue. It's clear you have an agenda against a character representative of the animated shows you so bizarrely seem to despise.

 

[JackOutback]

For someone that posts a hell of a lot about Star Wars, you do like to catergorise other SW fans as obsessive, neckbeards, nerds etc

I love Star Wars, would count as a nerd to many (a categorisation I am not the least concerned about) but Star Wars fans haven’t covered themselves in glory in recent years. A significant number are horrible people.

You must have me confused with someone else, I’m not a Clone Wars watcher. I’ve seen perhaps 5 episodes in total, 4 of them being the final arc of season 7. Which I found comfortably better than the majority of the sequel trilogy.

So I’m not bothered whatsoever with the labels and categorisations. What I pass comment on is the consistently inconsistent bits and pieces you cherry pick to fill whichever narrative you’re commenting on, it’s fascinating to watch as a bystander.

There’s certainly an air of something, I can’t quite put my finger on it. Arrogance perhaps, for lack of a better word right now, the way you choose to put down these shows (despite not even watching them if I recall correctly). Not helped by word choices like “grown ass adults”, I cringed.

I watched the beginning of both Clone Wars and Rebels. They are... not great. Maybe Clone Wars got better, it’s not really relevant. My only issue is both shows are watched by such a small sub-section of fans that for them to have a significant impact on shows pitched at a mainstream audience is a narrative mistake.

 

[SM]

I love Star Wars, would count as a nerd to many (a categorisation I am not the least concerned about) but Star Wars fans haven’t covered themselves in glory in recent years. A significant number are horrible people.



I watched the beginning of both Clone Wars and Rebels. They are... not great. Maybe Clone Wars got better, it’s not really relevant. My only issue is both shows are watched by such a small sub-section of fans that for them to have a significant impact on shows pitched at a mainstream audience is a narrative mistake.

I can't think of anything more relevant to a discussion of a show's quality and accessibility to wide audiences.

 

[JackOutback]

I can't think of anything more relevant to a discussion of a show's quality and accessibility to wide audiences.

It’s interesting you use the word accessibility. Clone Wars was averaging about 1.5 million viewers when it last released figures. Rebels even lower. Mandalorian is difficult to track down but one article said minimum 6 million viewers on day of release, very likely to be well north of 10 million US. Then multiply globally. Tying the show to another seen by so few does not increase its accessibility, it diminishes it.

Much of the appeal of the Mandalorian’s first season was how it was removed from the Skywalker saga. Now Filoni is introducing Luke, Anakin’s apprentice etc, all because he thinks there’s massive interest in how the storyline’s of two cartoons play out. It’s my opinion he massively overestimates their appeal to the negative for Mandalorian. He’s not balancing the mainstream and hardcore fans as well as Kevin Fiege.

 

[SM]

It’s interesting you use the word accessibility. Clone Wars was averaging about 1.5 million viewers when it last released figures. Rebels even lower. Mandalorian is difficult to track down but one article said minimum 6 million viewers on day of release, very likely to be well north of 10 million US. Then multiply globally. Tying the show to another seen by so few does not increase its accessibility, it diminishes it.

Much of the appeal of the Mandalorian’s first season was how it was removed from the Skywalker saga. Now Filoni is introducing Luke, Anakin’s apprentice etc, all because he thinks there’s massive interest in how the storyline’s of two cartoons play out. It’s my opinion he massively overestimates their appeal to the negative for Mandalorian. He’s not balancing the mainstream and hardcore fans as well as Kevin Fiege.

I find it reasonably hard to believe that Clone Wars figure, not least because of the way figures would have been tracked at the time. A perfect example of that is a show like Doctor Who where viewing figures continue to dip on traditional tracking platforms, but on BBC Player and other delayed methods the views actually catch up.

Something like the Mandalorian for instance would have an incredibly accurate viewing number because everyone's watching on the same platform. An interesting example of this is that in the time before Mandalorian was released, and after it finished, I believe Clone Wars was one of if not the top rating programs on Disney+. That's a bit more of a like for like comparison isn't it?

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Star Wars: Numbers show Clone Wars dominated 2020, reached huge audience

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Accessibility, huh?

 

[JackOutback]

I find it reasonably hard to believe that Clone Wars figure, not least because of the way figures would have been tracked at the time. A perfect example of that is a show like Doctor Who where viewing figures continue to dip on traditional tracking platforms, but on BBC Player and other delayed methods the views actually catch up.

Something like the Mandalorian for instance would have an incredibly accurate viewing number because everyone's watching on the same platform. An interesting example of this is that in the time before Mandalorian was released, and after it finished, I believe Clone Wars was one of if not the top rating programs on Disney+. That's a bit more of a like for like comparison isn't it?

The Clone Wars Effect Has Seen Viewership Increase On Disney Plus

When Disney+ was first announced it seemed that it was just Disney's way of making more money of people streaming older content. It was supposed to be a

lrmonline.com

Star Wars: Numbers show Clone Wars dominated 2020, reached huge audience

Star Wars the Clone Wars finally gets some of the audience & reviews it deserves as it turns out good content can still triumph. Let's hope Disney notices.

dorksideoftheforce.com

Accessibility, huh?

Disney would have 100 per cent reliable figures but then they go and keep them to themselves. You are right that Clone Wars on Disney did well (but we don’t really know what that means). But Clone Wars viewing figures declined consistently up to 2014, it was averaging 1.5 million viewers in the US by season 5, probably less again for season 6, but they were not readily available. The point remains, Mandalorian is pitched at a mainstream audience, Clone Wars either is not or failed to reach a mainstream audience. How they choose to balance those two realities will say a lot about the direction and success of Star Wars. My opinion, as someone who doesn’t watch Clone Wars, is season two didn’t land it right.