Bumped Steven Motlop (merged roast threads)

[00VicWard001]

If you have tolerance for pulling out of contests from fans, plus tolerance that different levels of effort are acceptable from players, and any of that gets through to the club, it's going to have a negative effect.

I see what you mean. But most are unhappy with it. Some are offering reasonable excuses, but overall,we all expect and want more.

I can understand (not tolerate) him pulling out of the contest against May.

But the week before was not a high impact moment. It was just 'dive for the ball and win it', and he didn't want to do. That demonstrates a mindset. Unfortunately for him, the May contest, scary as it may be, demonstrates a pattern.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I see what you mean. But most are unhappy with it. Some are offering reasonable excuses, but overall,we all expect and want more.

I can understand (not tolerate) him pulling out of the contest against May.

But the week before was not a high impact moment. It was just 'dive for the ball and win it', and he didn't want to do. That demonstrates a mindset. Unfortunately for him, the May contest, scary as it may be, demonstrates a pattern.

There is no reasonable excuse for that effort (or lack thereof) that's the thing.

 

[00VicWard001]

There is no reasonable excuse for that effort (or lack thereof) that's the thing.

Sure there is. Steve's protecting Steve's income by making sure he plays as many games as possible to get a big fat contract going forward. But Steve has also now damaged his reputation and may get a smaller contract.

 

[thegerman]

Sure there is. Steve's protecting Steve's income by making sure he plays as many games as possible to get a big fat contract going forward. But Steve has also now damaged his reputation and may get a smaller contract.

The way he's playing will limit the size of his contract

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Sure there is. Steve's protecting Steve's income by making sure he plays as many games as possible to get a big fat contract going forward. But Steve has also now damaged his reputation and may get a smaller contract.

I'm still not sure why people are assuming he was in a dangerous position.

That's hogwash.

 

[Chappycats]

His effort was highlighted last night (with Daniel Rich) on footy classified by Gary Lyon as sub standard (read weak).
Hopefully exposure like this might make him and those at the club think about what is the expectations and what is acceptable when confronted with a contest.
After all they are playing a contact sport!

 

[Vdubs]

It's astounding the lengths one will go to defend any player and the club. Bordering on delusion the safety concerns from that lack of a contest. The kick was perfect, you'll never see a better pass again.

He squibbed it it's as simple as that. He runs onto the ball he takes that mark ... no injury, no dramas, no derision from fans.

There are clearly different ways of viewing the same incident, but your interpretation pf the perfect pass is very different from mine.
You have obviously been a player and maybe the totally fearless type.
My role has been to deal with "carnage" after collisions.
We all have our biases.

 

[Vdubs]

His effort was highlighted last night (with Daniel Rich) on footy classified by Gary Lyon as sub standard (read weak).
Hopefully exposure like this might make him and those at the club think about what is the expectations and what is acceptable when confronted with a contest.
After all they are playing a contact sport!

Majority seems to suggest it was a weak effort. The fact that only a handful of us think otherwise might suggest Motlop will get dropped.Where I sit, I could fully understand his reaction. Maybe, almost certainly, I am one of Partridge's "soft" supporters.

 

[Johanpetro]

There are clearly different ways of viewing the same incident, but your interpretation pf the perfect pass is very different from mine.
You have obviously been a player and maybe the totally fearless type.
My role has been to deal with "carnage" after collisions.
We all have our biases.

Why do you keep defending the incident with a "he could've been hurt" rhetoric?

It's a contact sport and anyone could be injured at anytime. Maybe you would prefer if we changed it to touch footy? And I'm not trying to act like a macho man, I just don't see why it's a defense that he could've been hurt so he shouldn't attack the footy.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

There are clearly different ways of viewing the same incident, but your interpretation pf the perfect pass is very different from mine.
You have obviously been a player and maybe the totally fearless type.
My role has been to deal with "carnage" after collisions.
We all have our biases.

Not totally fearless but I knew when it was my turn to go.

That kick was picture perfect and Motlop heard footsteps and pulled out ... it sums up just where our side is leadership wise.

Nothing will change unless some hard calls are made ... the first is VFL for the player in question until he's willing to become a team player. That includes chasing and harassing. He'll come back a better player.

 

[Vdubs]

Why do you keep defending the incident with a "he could've been hurt" rhetoric?

It's a contact sport and anyone could be injured at anytime. Maybe you would prefer if we changed it to touch footy? And I'm not trying to act like a macho man, I just don't see why it's a defense that he could've been hurt so he shouldn't attack the footy.

Been my job for a long time to look at mechanisms of injury, and in my experience(30+ years), that was going to be May collecting Motlop with gusto.
Why can we have no issue with protection of the head, but when somebody gets cleaned up like Duncan did last year by Mummy, it is thought of as great for footy. It wasn't great for Duncan then, and for weeks after. Chest wall, abdominal, shoulders- these are all important body parts, and the way the game is going with outlawing sling tackles, it will only require one player to have a ruptured viscus or severe frontal injury, and the shirtfront will be outlawed.

 

[Nickoo]

i posted the very same seconds after the incident in the game day thread...

'simply should have kept going, marks without breaking stride, or turns to take the impact and...' - very easy to say from the couch when watching a slo-mo replay. wasnt going to happen.

he wasnt reaching that ball before may, who is twice his size, and at best he gets splattered and the two remaining suns waltz the ball away.

'jono brown level' backing back into packs might look good (i dont think it does - looks idiotic to me) to those watching who demand unflinching courage at all times, but getting wiped out for no advantage is pointless.

it really wasnt that bad an incident, and him flying into whatever is coming would have achieved probably no net benefit, and maybe a large net loss - eg, we lose the ball anyway, and he is out for anywhere from 30 seconds to a few weeks/months.

id have not only backed out of that one, id have taken a few dozen quick steps in the opposite direction.

The other real question is Paddy's disposal and decision making is not always that good. Many times a game he gets the ball kicks it to the opposition by having it drop short or ill directed or as last year bombing it long. Surely Parsons was in a better position but chose Motlop as the more senior player. Hard to tell how it looked to him.

On the motlop incident isn't May a psychopath on the field with a history of demolishing players with no duty of care?


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[Johanpetro]

Been my job for a long time to look at mechanisms of injury, and in my experience(30+ years), that was going to be May collecting Motlop with gusto.

Imagine that convo after the game...

Selwood: "Stevey what happened with that contest mate? You could've marked the ball or at worst get a free kick if you attacked the ball, we could've kicked a goal from that play"

Motlop: "hmm yeh I could've been hurt"

Selwood: ".............."

 

[Vdubs]

Imagine that convo after the game...

Selwood: "Stevey what happened with that contest mate? You could've marked the ball or at worst get a free kick if you attacked the ball, we could've kicked a goal from that play"

Motlop: "hmm yeh I could've been hurt"

Selwood: ".............."

You may well be correct.

 

[Nickoo]

When you say GO, he would have been GONE, without the ball, likely with a significant injury.
May is a large player 190/93, had momentum anyway and was lining Mots up, Motlop 182/75. Just no value in that collision at all.

Isn't May a nutter? I'm sure he is the guy who maybe broke some bones and last year or year before of a brisbane player.


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[Claude Balls]

Block May out of the picture, watch Motlop's rate of movement and the trajectory of the kick, and you will realize it would have hit him on the tit without him breaking stride.

Now May obviously was there, so it wouldn't have been uncontested, but it was simply not a situation in which he would have had to dive (or whatever other nonsense has been asserted). Likely he would have been bumped heavily, maybe even winded. Too bad, when it's your turn you have to go.

 

[Ninty]

Isn't May a nutter? I'm sure he is the guy who maybe broke some bones and last year or year before of a brisbane player.


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Killed Rockliff, and he's as tough as they come. His hit on Stefan Martin didn't help his season drop off, too.

Motlop is there for the cherry on top, need a lot more of the players around him to work harder.


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[Nickoo]

My main issue with Stevie is the stupid stuff he does like kick or pass to players outnumbered especially when there is no need to go inboard. This stop and prop when free is a killer and I think its draining psychologically. Generally i feel the team is lacking playing intelligence and confidence where stupid lazy thinking especially from Murda, mots, and lang. Also I hate our game style. Prefer last years. This year its crap and its too easy to open us up. Every team has opened us up but just that with very high work rate we've overcome five teams, we can't maintain that and we get blown away. The team is really missing the smarts and effort of; linc, scooter, gregson, and the Rucks have gone backwards. It is distressing to watch because players like menegola have finally stepped and found themselves alone. We looked terribly slow once again. I think we'll lose again sat but then really wake up against the dogs who may take us lightly. Or we could have a may revival, who knows. Something is not right in our game style.


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[Chappycats]

Majority seems to suggest it was a weak effort. The fact that only a handful of us think otherwise might suggest Motlop will get dropped.Where I sit, I could fully understand his reaction. Maybe, almost certainly, I am one of Partridge's "soft" supporters.

I understand your point of view Vdubs and your certainly entitled to it, seeing the result of such collisions must be confronting, but to me football is still a 'gladiator' sport and still a contact/collision game so there are going to be an element or risk/injuries.
Now I'm not saying I want or enjoy seeing players get injured or seriously hurt, and I certainly don't condone dirty play, but as a player and a spectator you have to accept that is part of the game, and seeing big contests is why so many people love it.
Until they change it to touch footy that is.
Now I'm a lot smaller then Mots, 172cm and playing weight of around 70-75kg and pretty much my whole football career, 90-95% of the opposition was bigger then me but if I decided to pull out every time a bigger opponent came near me then footy would have been the wrong sport for me to play.
I accepted the risks and at times payed the price for being smaller, getting my head split like a melon and getting 11 staples being one example. But I'm also proud of the fact that I could look at each of my teammates in the eye and say that if it was my turn to put myself on the line then I'd do it. You may think that's false bravado or macho bs but that to me that is the essence of being a Aussie rules footballer.
If Motlop doesn't want to put himself in a position where he is going to get contact and potentially hurt then he really needs to have a hard think about whether he actually wants to play the game because to me that wasn't acceptable.
Would he stand up in front of his teammates and coaches and say 'yes I pulled up short because I didn't want to get hurt'.
If he can't because he's to embarrassed or ashamed then that tells me he everything I need to know about Motlop as a footballer.
But more importantly if it was deemed by the coaches and playing group to be acceptable then that tells me a lot about the current team.
And we can only assume what may have happened, yes he could have been cleaned up or he may have taken the mark, got the contact from May, received a 50 and scored a really big team lifting goal, and earned a massive amount of respect for doing so.
But we will never know except that he didn't and it was easily mopped up by the Suns and here we are talking about it.

 

[dazbroncos]

I look at Duncan V Mummy...

Massively outsized... had to go. Cost him his year IMO as he was not the same after it.

And never been questioned about his endeavour.

Even if Mots had tried and bounced off, or gone at it ineffectively... that would have been enough as I could validate IMO going and being ineffective... buthe went.

He flat out stopped.

Twice in 2 weeks but then we expect Parsons, or Ruggles, or Stewart, or Menegola, or Hyphen to do it unabated.

Its just the wrong endorsement of a bit of self preservation IMO . I get it, can fully understand it, but its hard to accept it for me.

Go Catters

 

[Ninty]

I'm still waiting for #6 from Hawks to get suspended. What a joke the MRP system is.


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[Mr Blicavs]

Sure there is. Steve's protecting Steve's income by making sure he plays as many games as possible to get a big fat contract going forward. But Steve has also now damaged his reputation and may get a smaller contract.

I will guarantee, and although they'd never demonstrate it publicly, there will be blokes in that group who will be looking at Motlop in a whole new light after the last few weeks
Coasting can be tolerated.......hell, it's acceptable at Geelong, but shirking contests, squibbing is not on. Not even at the Cattery

 

[Spazz Cat]

I look at Duncan V Mummy...

Massively outsized... had to go. Cost him his year IMO as he was not the same after it.

And never been questioned about his endeavour.

Even if Mots had tried and bounced off, or gone at it ineffectively... that would have been enough as I could validate IMO going and being ineffective... buthe went.

He flat out stopped.

Twice in 2 weeks but then we expect Parsons, or Ruggles, or Stewart, or Menegola, or Hyphen to do it unabated.

Its just the wrong endorsement of a bit of self preservation IMO . I get it, can fully understand it, but its hard to accept it for me.

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I can understand it too but yeah twice in 2 weeks?? Very hard to defend that.
Also there definitely are squibbish incidents still in footy but I cant remember 2 really obvious ones like that for a while.
Established AFL players make a lot of money, are helped by clubs to be set up for life after footy and receive a lot of privileges.
I've got no problem if one cops shit for not doing what every other player has to do.
2 squibs in 2 weeks plus costing 4 goals against Collingwood, plenty examples of lazy efforts.
I don't want him near our team TBH. Don't care how talented he is. ( won't play well when it matters anyway so talent is a moot point)

 

[Partridge]

Even if Mots had tried and bounced off, or gone at it ineffectively... that would have been enough as I could validate IMO going and being ineffective... buthe went.

He flat out stopped.

Twice in 2 weeks but then we expect Parsons, or Ruggles, or Stewart, or Menegola, or Hyphen to do it unabated.

Those guys will all do it regardless too.

 

[00VicWard001]

I will guarantee, and although they'd never demonstrate it publicly, there will be blokes in that group who will be looking at Motlop in a whole new light after the last few weeks
Coasting can be tolerated.......hell, it's acceptable at Geelong, but shirking contests, squibbing is not on. Not even at the Cattery

Yep. Players that may have delayed payments in their contracts to keep Motlop will now re-think it. They may prefer two years of Gary Ablett over 5 years of Motlop, or even start thinking, well maybe Devon Smith's selfish play would be more palatable.

Everyone knows what's been happening. It's no secret. And none of them would be thinking he's worth the coin he's asking for/getting.

Menegola on 150k, Cocky on $200k, Parsons on a first year player's wage are looking far more consistent and impactful. And funny enough, all three's salaries combined would be less than his.