Straight Swap - Lance for Mitch Hahn

[Gooka]

I’ve just read that the blues are putting talks off with Lance regarding a new contract. I’m pretty sure that the bulldogs will have spoken to lance and the blues and mentioned our interest in obtaining his services from next year.

I posed the question on the bulldogs board about a straight swap of Mitch Hahn for Lance.

What would you guys think?

 

[stokesy]

We will not be trading Lance, he is a required player .

 

[bibi01]

I’ve just read that the blues are putting talks off with Lance regarding a new contract. I’m pretty sure that the bulldogs will have spoken to lance and the blues and mentioned our interest in obtaining his services from next year.

I posed the question on the bulldogs board about a straight swap of Mitch Hahn for Lance.

What would you guys think?

not the worst deal going around
i would rather keep lance as i think he is important to our set-up and with some good/clever drafting/trading we can build a team around his footy smarts

i'd be much happier to let a houlihan or davies go before lance.

not taking the mickey here but would you guys take norman as you have identified you need some more talls?

hahn for norman would not happen but norman and houlihan or davies for hahn is a possibility.

 

[celtic_pride]

Throw in a 2nd round draft pick and it's a deal

 

[gandaal]

So you want us to trade a key position player who's been our most important defender this year and would be in our top 3 easily for our best and fairest for a fringe midfielder with a bottom 8 club who's a little bit slow and makes occasional stupid mistakes.


Thanks but no thanks.

 

[smthomson]

I’ve just read that the blues are putting talks off with Lance regarding a new contract. I’m pretty sure that the bulldogs will have spoken to lance and the blues and mentioned our interest in obtaining his services from next year.

I posed the question on the bulldogs board about a straight swap of Mitch Hahn for Lance.

What would you guys think?

No!

 

[Gooka]

So you want us to trade a key position player who's been our most important defender this year and would be in our top 3 easily for our best and fairest for a fringe midfielder with a bottom 8 club who's a little bit slow and makes occasional stupid mistakes.


Thanks but no thanks.

Just throwing the option out there.

It’s funny, because the reaction on the bulldogs board is ‘no way is Lance worth that much – Hahn must be kept’

So I guess it’s a good thing that supporters don’t make the deals or not many deals would ever be made.


But for what it’s worth… we’re talking a top 3 B&F finisher in possible wooden spooners and a guy in the leadership group of a possible finals team on the up. Not having a go… that’s a bit more accurate though.

 

[Kooley]

I like Hahn and I have mentioned this swap before. You would have to throw in a good draft pick as well for this to work though.

 

[SMOO]

Give Me Brian Harris. Done

 

[bibi01]

Just throwing the option out there.

It’s funny, because the reaction on the bulldogs board is ‘no way is Lance worth that much – Hahn must be kept’

So I guess it’s a good thing that supporters don’t make the deals or not many deals would ever be made.


But for what it’s worth… we’re talking a top 3 B&F finisher in possible wooden spooners and a guy in the leadership group of a possible finals team on the up. Not having a go… that’s a bit more accurate though.

supporters get very protective of possible trades when the trade is not heavily favoured to their side

how many games has hahn played in the two's this year?

BTW- lance is VC at carlton so that cancels out the leadership group argument.

 

[RoK]

Harris + first round pick done


Hahn + first and 2nd round pick and maybe a deal could be done


Hahn + Murphy and 2nd round pick and i would give up lance in a heart beat.

 

[Gooka]

supporters get very protective of possible trades when the trade is not heavily favoured to their side

how many games has hahn played in the two's this year?

BTW- lance is VC at carlton so that cancels out the leadership group argument.

From memory I think Hahn played 2 in the reserves then came back into the starting line up. Probably a confidence thing more than anything.

To be as unbiased as I can be this is how I’d describe the two players –

Hahn – A good bullocking midfielder with the ability to play ‘tall’ if required. Has ok skills, however is extremely suspect in front of goal and isn’t confident with set shots. He is extremely hard at it and does the 1%ers well. Can play most areas of the ground but is best in and around the packs. Has been mentioned that he could lose a few kg’s of fat and improve his fitness a little.

Lance – KPP who can play forward and back. Has a great footy brain which he uses to make up for his lack of pace. Has a few fitness/weight issues which sometime give the impression that he doesn’t train hard enough during the off season. With good midfield delivery he could again be a damaging forward as he was in the late 90’s but is currently being utilised down back to make the most of his reading of the play.

 

[gandaal]

Harris + first round pick done


Hahn + first and 2nd round pick and maybe a deal could be done


Hahn + Murphy and 2nd round pick and i would give up lance in a heart beat.

1. They'll never give up their full back and I wouldn't blame them.
2. Yeah I'd take that, he'll I'd take Hahn and a round one pick.
3. The dogs would laugh in your face.

 

[gandaal]

Just throwing the option out there.

It’s funny, because the reaction on the bulldogs board is ‘no way is Lance worth that much – Hahn must be kept’

So I guess it’s a good thing that supporters don’t make the deals or not many deals would ever be made.


But for what it’s worth… we’re talking a top 3 B&F finisher in possible wooden spooners and a guy in the leadership group of a possible finals team on the up. Not having a go… that’s a bit more accurate though.

Well you have to support your players

 

[Hu$$ey]

So you want us to trade a key position player who's been our most important defender this year and would be in our top 3 easily for our best and fairest for a fringe midfielder with a bottom 8 club who's a little bit slow and makes occasional stupid mistakes.


Thanks but no thanks.

Exactly.....and Hahn can't kick for cr@p either. His action is so weird. Lance is a general wherever he plays so i would rather keep him UNLESS 2 first round picks are offered (geelong gave them up for ottens and lance is much better)

 

[mikeythemoocow]

Gooka, it think your pretty spot on with you assesments there

 

[bluevain]

Gooka, it think your pretty spot on with you assesments there

Damn straight. No doubt if he's good inside midfielder a good Mitch Hahn type would help relieve some pressure from Kouta in the middle (.... would you consider a swap for Prenda ... seriously, Lance has been our best and most consistent big man all season. He has history at the club. I would be devistated if we let him go for anyone.

However, my only reservation is how he would play if Stevo took over as Captain in 2006-7 as many are predicting. I think Lance would find it difficult given he's contribution to the club already, could take it as a slap in the moosh.

Should be an interesting few months ahead indeed. I feel a real changing of the guard in our midst. Who knows, we could see the number 1 and 3 draft picks wearing 12 and 16 in 2006......

 

[NavyBlueBlood]

I don't mind Hahn,
but believe that Lance isn't going anywhere..

 

[bulldogtragic]

What about Sam Power (Top 10 pick and brother of Luke) - or similar player plus picks 28 and 44. Would that be enough to secure the trade?

 

[Lajon]

What about Sam Power (Top 10 pick and brother of Luke) - or similar player plus picks 28 and 44. Would that be enough to secure the trade?

Not to be rude, but that wouldn't be even close.

To break it down

Power - does not get a game
picks 28 and 44 are lottery picks at best and the players chosen with them would be lucky to be any good.

Lance provides the side with a massive amount whether he plays forward or back, and is one of our most important players.

This is like saying to you we'll give you picks 28 and 44 + Trent Sporn for Brian Harris. Whilst Harris mightn't be the most skilled player around, he plays an extremely important role in your side and Sporn + those 2 picks would not measure up at all.

 

[Pivot]

I’ve just read that the blues are putting talks off with Lance regarding a new contract. I’m pretty sure that the bulldogs will have spoken to lance and the blues and mentioned our interest in obtaining his services from next year.

I posed the question on the bulldogs board about a straight swap of Mitch Hahn for Lance.

What would you guys think?

Good post Gooka, I like your train of thought mate! I really like Mitch Hahn, he would be awesome in our side, a no-frills hard-nut who wins plenty hard-balls and kicks a few goals. He's intimidating which is what we miss now that Kouta is getting on a bit and Ratten, Williams and Brown are retired. We've missed it for a while actually. Hahn is almost a battering-ram. He would certainly help out Stevens, Camp, Simpson and Walker, etc.

Having said this, I would not do a straight swap for Lance. Lance is more important to our team structure with his height, footy smarts, ability to take pack marks, 10 marks a game and kick 5 goals. He has 120 marks and 25 goals thus far so the Bulldogs would win that deal very easy. I would, however, take Hahn and their first pick (probably will end up being pick 8-10) but dont knwo if anyone thinks that's fair or realistic enough. Thoughts guys?

 

[Gooka]

Good post Gooka, I like your train of thought mate! I really like Mitch Hahn, he would be awesome in our side, a no-frills hard-nut who wins plenty hard-balls and kicks a few goals. He's intimidating which is what we miss now that Kouta is getting on a bit and Ratten, Williams and Brown are retired. We've missed it for a while actually. Hahn is almost a battering-ram. He would certainly help out Stevens, Camp, Simpson and Walker, etc.

Having said this, I would not do a straight swap for Lance. Lance is more important to our team structure with his height, footy smarts, ability to take pack marks, 10 marks a game and kick 5 goals. He has 120 marks and 25 goals thus far so the Bulldogs would win that deal very easy. I would, however, take Hahn and their first pick (probably will end up being pick 8-10) but dont knwo if anyone thinks that's fair or realistic enough. Thoughts guys?

It’s tough to consider some of the possible trade scenarios because to get a player that’s good for your team, means more often than not, giving up a player that has a fair bit of worth for your team as it is. And unless your team has supreme depth in one area (fast players, hard midfield nuts, KPP’s…) then it’s going to HURT to get someone.

I remember the trade Wallace did a few years ago when he was at the dogs… out went Powell and Montgomery and in came Eagleton. Seemed a high price at the time and still gets a lot of dogs supporters down to think about it… but looking at the guys now, I think Eagleton is a great player and is really a damanging component in our team.

So it’s hard to know who’d win out of a trade like this. Both guys are probably considered by their supporters based on their potential and best output and thus what they could provide to the team.

I doubt a straight swap would occur. I can see why dogs fans say we need Hahn, he is a valuable hard, tough nut in the midfield who does bust open packs and can win the hard ball, and I can see why blues fans say Lance is worth more than Hahn cause he’s a KPP with experience, is only 26 and has a great footy head.

What other dogs players/trades would the blues consider FAIR for Lance?

 

[Pivot]

It’s tough to consider some of the possible trade scenarios because to get a player that’s good for your team, means more often than not, giving up a player that has a fair bit of worth for your team as it is. And unless your team has supreme depth in one area (fast players, hard midfield nuts, KPP’s…) then it’s going to HURT to get someone.

I remember the trade Wallace did a few years ago when he was at the dogs… out went Powell and Montgomery and in came Eagleton. Seemed a high price at the time and still gets a lot of dogs supporters down to think about it… but looking at the guys now, I think Eagleton is a great player and is really a damanging component in our team.

So it’s hard to know who’d win out of a trade like this. Both guys are probably considered by their supporters based on their potential and best output and thus what they could provide to the team.

I doubt a straight swap would occur. I can see why dogs fans say we need Hahn, he is a valuable hard, tough nut in the midfield who does bust open packs and can win the hard ball, and I can see why blues fans say Lance is worth more than Hahn cause he’s a KPP with experience, is only 26 and has a great footy head.

What other dogs players/trades would the blues consider FAIR for Lance?

It is hard to know mate. I think I'd want a hard-nut if we were to trade fro a players. Hahn fits that bill for mine. Cross would be SUPER but we wont get him understandably. I think their first round draft pick which as I said will probably be around pick 8-10 would be great for either Hahn (preferably), or say Birss & Boyd. Maybe a tall like Bowden & Walsh?

 

[stefoid]

I doubt hahn will be involved in a trade, he compliments our runners in the midfield too well. spends a lot of his time through the corridor and at stoppages, so against a westcoast style of team the ball will travel around him a lot, whereas against a brisbane style of team he will be involved in more contests.

because of where he wins the ball, he gets a lot of shots on goal, but they are mostly points.

example stats:

v. geelong: 22 disposals, 2 hard/ 9 loose, 7 marks, 1 goal 3 pts
v. brisbane 23 disposals, 3 hard/ 11 loose, 2 marks, 1 goal 2 pts
v. Weagles: 17 disposals, 1 hard, 2 loose, 8 marks, 2 goals 2 pts

geez, if the guy could learn to kick straight for goal!

 

[mojo31]

I doubt hahn will be involved in a trade, he compliments our runners in the midfield too well. spends a lot of his time through the corridor and at stoppages, so against a westcoast style of team the ball will travel around him a lot, whereas against a brisbane style of team he will be involved in more contests.

because of where he wins the ball, he gets a lot of shots on goal, but they are mostly points.

example stats:

v. geelong: 22 disposals, 2 hard/ 9 loose, 7 marks, 1 goal 3 pts
v. brisbane 23 disposals, 3 hard/ 11 loose, 2 marks, 1 goal 2 pts
v. Weagles: 17 disposals, 1 hard, 2 loose, 8 marks, 2 goals 2 pts

geez, if the guy could learn to kick straight for goal!

His form which has picked up in the last few weeks is still a bit disappointing overall.

Averaging 14.4 disposals only.


- Hahn and WB second round pick for Lance.
or
- Birss and your first round pick.

Lance is having more possessions than Mitch Hahn which gives an idea of there form this year.