Media Swans Talk in the Media 2024

[Ticky009]

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[MF]

That's not even the rule they are tightening up. HTB has not changed. Those examples you speak of are umpire errors.

They're reducing time it takes to dispose of the ball before blowing the whistle which IS going to create stoppage after stoppage.

My sidenote is that it is also going to ping players taking the game on. Alot of the examples of Warner managing to fend off a tackler after a second or two are now considered htb because they're reducing the time the tackler needs to have arms on him before being rewarded.

I agree with all your points so far. My main issue this year is the inconsistency with the time given to dispose of the ball (in the no prior situations). If a player has the ball pinned to their chest then it's an immediate whistle and ball up, if they have an arm free then they are given far, far longer. Nowhere in the rule book does it allow for this. It's simply something the umpires have made up their own rules for.

I think in no prior situations they should simply have a certain amount of time the player gets to dispose of the ball, regardless of whether they're completely wrapped up or have arms free, being spun around. Give them 2 seconds each to either correctly dispose of the ball, break the tackle or hold it in, and that's it, whistle blows and it's a ball up. If the ball comes out without being correctly disposed of, and isn't knocked out in the act of the tackle then it's incorrect disposal.

So basically... don't completely reduce the amount of time to dispose, just make it more consistent in all situations. That way, fans, players, coaches & umpires are all on the same page.

 

[MF]

my fave player.

part of the reason why im still bitter and twisted about dawson who is a bit of a bayes clone and would have comfortably played key position in the 80s and 90s

Same for me on both counts.

 

[zyzzbruh]

They're tightening up how quickly they blow the whistle which will prevent players breaking free from tackles as in the case of Cottrell who got the ball to his boot. That was a specific example highlighted on 360.

Yeah I don't like that. I think cottrels goal was fair to stand

 

[SM]

Yeah I don't like that. I think cottrels goal was fair to stand

Then you're encouraging the tackler to take the ball carrier to ground to ensure he doesn't kick that goal. I like that less.

 

[Callipygian]

Wow. The GWS Media guy used to work for the Swans and was stood down during Covid - then applied for the job at GWS. One that got away for sure.

Dogs vs Swans analysis starts at 14:30mins into video

He didn't work for the Swans. He worked for Sydney AFL and did some work with the Swans. So not quite one that got away. But is a shame we didn't get him. Is it too late? He lives in Maroubra it seems so hopefully he's not going to be "going home" interstate.

Tagging is an interesting debate right now. Somehow, the Swans have found one of the best in Jordon. Essendon are using Guelfi but he looks to be limited to tagging half-backs whereas Jordon has shown he can do midfield tagging (Walsh) as well. Hawthorn have Finn Maginness. Apart from that, I can't readily think of other taggers. Perhaps there are others but my point is that it is a specialist job. It would be hard to find two players who can do it well against both Heeney and Warner. Especially when the hardest players to tag are those that can go forward and take a mark inside 50. Both Heeney and Warner can do that.

Not sure if this should be here or in general discussion but as it refers to the talk of Heeney and Warner being tagged from First Crack I'll put it here.

I don't think tagging is such a rare or difficult role to play. Jordon (and Clarke) weren't especially known as taggers until Horse asked them to play that way. I suspect there are plenty of players that could play this role if asked to do so.

Lyon referred to someone ?Ellen? who went to Richmond at the end of 2016, worked for them during their premierships and now works for us. I gained the impression she is a psychologist or such, and that she is responsible for the change. Does anyone know who she is?

I was interested in that too. So I googled and found her: https://www.highperformancemindfulness.com.au/about/. She has her own business, doesn't work for the Swans. Sounds like we got her in to do some work with us given her excellent credentials. And it sounds like it is paying off. Great stuff!

$12million over 10 years for Nuaghton?

Dodged a bullet

That is an over-reported furphy. We never made such an offer. I have heard that from extremely well-placed sources within the club. Can't believe these characters in the footy media (can't call them journalists) are happy to prattle on like it's fact. It's disappointing.

[It's true that Kinnear did lend some credence to our interest in Naughton in an interview but my understanding is that our interest never went further than talking to his management, which is pretty standard fare and not that meaningful.]

 

[MF]

That is an over-reported furphy. We never made such an offer. I have heard that from extremely well-placed sources within the club. Can't believe these characters in the footy media (can't call them journalists) are happy to prattle on like it's fact. It's disappointing.

[It's true that Kinnear did lend some credence to our interest in Naughton in an interview but my understanding is that our interest never went further than talking to his management, which is pretty standard fare and not that meaningful.]

It's tough when player managers know they can just feed any old BS to the media in order to pump up their own players value, knowing full well the media will run with it.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Then you're encouraging the tackler to take the ball carrier to ground to ensure he doesn't kick that goal. I like that less.

It may encourage the tackler to take them to ground, but for forever and a day there has been nothing wrong with that. And there is still nothing wrong with that bar a swinging action. I'm sure players can and will adjust. They already have. To compensate for it with giving the player with the ball half to time to get rid of it is a ridiculous over compensation imo.

 

[dosser]

Mark Bayes says hello

Who?

 

[SM]

It may encourage the tackler to take them to ground, but for forever and a day there has been nothing wrong with that. And there is still nothing wrong with that bar a swinging action. I'm sure players can and will adjust. They already have. To compensate for it with giving the player with the ball half to time to get rid of it is a ridiculous over compensation imo.

Until last year. Good luck bringing someone standing firmly in place to ground without employing either a swing motion or what Melican did to Naughton.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Until last year. Good luck bringing someone standing firmly in place to ground without employing either a swing motion or what Melican did to Naughton.

That situation where a swing is the most appropriate action is not uncommon, but it's still a rare occurence. I don't think it's prevalent enough to warrant adjusting a rule that will have a pretty big impact on the way the game is played.

Anyways, the test will be this weekend. Hopefully it's not too noticeable. Looking forward to see it in action tonight.

 

[bedford]

Mick Mcguane has a great read tomorrow in the HS about the coach of the year and team of the year and its an enjoyable read , doesn't have Cripps in as well .
Really rate Mick

 

[Bandicoot]

Has bye week created some parallel universe?

• Malcolm Blight saying swans are unbeatable
• Comparisons to Don's 2000 side
• Bring back COLA / Academies are good.

Are they taunting us providing attention when they think we aren't watching?
Or maybe they think Swans eyeballs on content only because there is no game on?

In any case I want the old universe back where I can feel smug and neglected at the same time.

The only reason COLA was taken off us was a punishment for having the audacity to recruit Buddy thereby ruining the AFL's plans for him to go to their baby GWS. There was absolutely zero logic behind the decision. It was purely done out of spite.
I would very much like COLA introduced as there is absolutely no doubt the cost of living in Sydney places both Sydney clubs at a huge disadvantage. Rather than simply adding 10% on to our salary cap and then spending that as we choose I would like it set up this way. COLA is 10% of the total Salary Cap.
The AFL is provided with the pays of every player for the year 2025. Those who are earning $600K and above would receive an additional 7.5%. Those earning $500K or less receive 10%, with those earning $400K or less receive $12.5% more. Those earning above $600K are earning enough to manage the high cost of living imo. There may be a cola allowance for any player coming to us via free agency above that $600K threshold for the first three years of the contract. The big difference would be that the AFL itself would be responsible to make these payments to the players meaning the club cannot manipulate it in any way.
As to the soft cap. it is an absolute joke that the AFL continues to add more staff and it's total purse is now more than what it was pre covid yet force all clubs to do away with some essential staff. The position that Sydney and GWS are in is shameful. The cap for the two Sydney clubs should immediately be restored to pre covid levels.

 

[Kiama Chris]

The only reason COLA was taken off us was a punishment for having the audacity to recruit Buddy thereby ruining the AFL's plans for him to go to their baby GWS. There was absolutely zero logic behind the decision. It was purely done out of spite.
I would very much like COLA introduced as there is absolutely no doubt the cost of living in Sydney places both Sydney clubs at a huge disadvantage. Rather than simply adding 10% on to our salary cap and then spending that as we choose I would like it set up this way. COLA is 10% of the total Salary Cap.
The AFL is provided with the pays of every player for the year 2025. Those who are earning $600K and above would receive an additional 7.5%. Those earning $500K or less receive 10%, with those earning $400K or less receive $12.5% more. Those earning above $600K are earning enough to manage the high cost of living imo. There may be a cola allowance for any player coming to us via free agency above that $600K threshold for the first three years of the contract. The big difference would be that the AFL itself would be responsible to make these payments to the players meaning the club cannot manipulate it in any way.
As to the soft cap. it is an absolute joke that the AFL continues to add more staff and it's total purse is now more than what it was pre covid yet force all clubs to do away with some essential staff. The position that Sydney and GWS are in is shameful. The cap for the two Sydney clubs should immediately be restored to pre covid levels.

The principle is sound. Kinda like income tax but in reverse.
Soft cap also needs COLA for the same reason. It's worse for people with families. Your point about restoring soft cap to pre COVID is good but we need COLA on top for Sydney. Coaches relocating any cities with families need an allowance for moving.

 

[rustycrate]

Mick Mcguane has a great read tomorrow in the HS about the coach of the year and team of the year and its an enjoyable read , doesn't have Cripps in as well .
Really rate Mick

I used to sit and watch McGuane at Keilor in the evenings. I especially liked watching him coach the full forwards. Usually 1 full forward against 2 defenders. Running patterns, leading patterns etc. Was he tough as hell on the full forwards when they stuffed up.

 

[hairy biker]

Mick Mcguane has a great read tomorrow in the HS about the coach of the year and team of the year and its an enjoyable read , doesn't have Cripps in as well .
Really rate Mick

It's up now;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/mick-mcguanes-midseason-awards-team-of-the-year-best-coach-player-recruit-draftee-and-more/news-story/bd2dcb9cdeb5fcb5fe60a2b8e93069c9?amp

4 Swans players in his team;
Blakey HBF, Gulden wing, Heeney & Chad on ball.

And Coach of the Year;
yep you guessed it...John Longmire

Sydney finished eighth last year before losing an elimination final to Carlton.
This year, Longmire has the Swans sitting pretty on top of the ladder at round 12 with only one loss to their name and a very healthy percentage of 150.
On almost every key statistical measure, Sydney stacks up — not least being that it ranks No. 1 for both points for and points against.
The Swans are a high-pressure team who are hard to play against and Longmire has made some key moves.

The recruitment of ruckman Brodie Grundy during the trade period last year has been a masterstroke, as has been the midfield move of Isaac Heeney.

Longmire has been prepared to make tough calls, including making veteran Luke Parker come back through the VFL.
That helps create pressure on spots and a good environment within clubs.

And for good measure, Player of the Year;
Isaac Heeney

Almost everything he touches turns to gold.

And to round it off, Recruit of the Year;
Brodie Grundy

Grundy’s ruck craft is great, but I also love his follow-up work.
He has laid 66 tackles this season — the second-most of any Sydney player behind James Rowbottom.
He has also won 59 clearances — the second-most of any Swan behind Heeney.

There looks to be some smart management going on, too.
Grundy has played only 76 per cent game time this season, compared to Melbourne’s captain Gawn at 85 per cent.
It’s a long year and the Swans will want Grundy playing his best footy come September.

Travelling well.

PS Yep have a lot of time for Mick as well.

 

[Punts]

Hopefully he becomes coach of the finals and we win it all

Means nothing if he doesn’t

No problem with getting us to them

 

[Bandicoot]

Your change of avatar is grossly disappointing.

Completely agree.

 

[Tedeski]

It's up now;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/mick-mcguanes-midseason-awards-team-of-the-year-best-coach-player-recruit-draftee-and-more/news-story/bd2dcb9cdeb5fcb5fe60a2b8e93069c9?amp

4 Swans players in his team;
Blakey HBF, Gulden wing, Heeney & Chad on ball.

And Coach of the Year;
yep you guessed it...John Longmire

Sydney finished eighth last year before losing an elimination final to Carlton.
This year, Longmire has the Swans sitting pretty on top of the ladder at round 12 with only one loss to their name and a very healthy percentage of 150.
On almost every key statistical measure, Sydney stacks up — not least being that it ranks No. 1 for both points for and points against.
The Swans are a high-pressure team who are hard to play against and Longmire has made some key moves.

The recruitment of ruckman Brodie Grundy during the trade period last year has been a masterstroke, as has been the midfield move of Isaac Heeney.

Longmire has been prepared to make tough calls, including making veteran Luke Parker come back through the VFL.
That helps create pressure on spots and a good environment within clubs.

And for good measure, Player of the Year;
Isaac Heeney

Almost everything he touches turns to gold.

And to round it off, Recruit of the Year;
Brodie Grundy

Grundy’s ruck craft is great, but I also love his follow-up work.
He has laid 66 tackles this season — the second-most of any Sydney player behind James Rowbottom.
He has also won 59 clearances — the second-most of any Swan behind Heeney.

There looks to be some smart management going on, too.
Grundy has played only 76 per cent game time this season, compared to Melbourne’s captain Gawn at 85 per cent.
It’s a long year and the Swans will want Grundy playing his best footy come September.

Travelling well.

PS Yep have a lot of time for Mick as well.

That’s it!
We’ve peaked. No one is saying a bad thing about us & they ard pulling out everything positive about us.
Downhill from here.
Starting with this weekend,
We won’t win.

 

[Bandicoot]

Everyone seems to forget Sydney players below median wage already get a rental subsidy. Been a non issue. This is just for the soft cap, which should go up a lot for everyone but if it doesn't, should go up for us.

What's the ins & outs of this subsidy?

 

[Bandicoot]

Swans should set up a nice pad in Sydney for the interstate wags (Errol’s girlfriend lives in Brunswick).

How on earth is it that Errol (a local Sydney boy) has a girlfriend from Melbourne. Unless he was referring to Brunswick Heads.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

How on earth is it that Errol (a local Sydney boy) has a girlfriend from Melbourne. Unless he was referring to Brunswick Heads.

Sabotage from the AFL.

 

[MF]

How on earth is it that Errol (a local Sydney boy) has a girlfriend from Melbourne. Unless he was referring to Brunswick Heads.

No, she's definitely in Melbourne. Heard him mention that he was catching up with her when we played the dogs.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

No, she's definitely in Melbourne. Heard him mention that he was catching up with her when we played the dogs.

Must be all those MCG and Marvel games!

 

[Ticky009]

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Great pictures Ticky!