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Just looking at AFL 360. Steve McBurney says the AFL have just changed the definition of 'Reasonable Time' to dispose. As soon as this bloke took over the umpires start giving players an eternity to get rid of the ball. I could cook& serve a 4 course dinner in a 5 Star Restaurant in the time it took some players to get rid of the pill. In most cases they either didn't get rid of it or just dropped it, which is incorrect disposal which isn't being paid either. I remember McBurney & his era. There was a lot of talk at the time he umpired that players had an eternity to get rid of the ball & he has reintroduced the way he umpired.

I think McBurney's Maggots have to protect players by call HTB & ID immediately. Even the players say they haven't got a bloody clue what's going on. They are right of course. The weekend was the lowest point in AFL Umpiring and it started from a pretty low bar. For a professional game our rules are badly written & dreadfully adjudicated. In other games the code would not put up with this low standard but in ours the AFL & it's umpires are beyond reproach which is open for ridicule & of course the NRL Numnuts will come calling out our lamentably psychopathic administration. The AFL need to listen to the fans. They need to listen to the players & coaches. This would be new for them I know as they see themselves as omnipotent but if they don't I know I am giving it a miss because another weekend like the last one & I will have blown a gasket.
 
Just looking at AFL 360. Steve McBurney says the AFL have just changed the definition of 'Reasonable Time' to dispose. As soon as this bloke took over the umpires start giving players an eternity to get rid of the ball. I could cook& serve a 4 course dinner in a 5 Star Restaurant in the time it took some players to get rid of the pill. In most cases they either didn't get rid of it or just dropped it, which is incorrect disposal which isn't being paid either. I remember McBurney & his era. There was a lot of talk at the time he umpired that players had an eternity to get rid of the ball & he has reintroduced the way he umpired.

I think McBurney's Maggots have to protect players by call HTB & ID immediately. Even the players say they haven't got a bloody clue what's going on. They are right of course. The weekend was the lowest point in AFL Umpiring and it started from a pretty low bar. For a professional game our rules are badly written & dreadfully adjudicated. In other games the code would not put up with this low standard but in ours the AFL & it's umpires are beyond reproach which is open for ridicule & of course the NRL Numnuts will come calling out our lamentably psychopathic administration. The AFL need to listen to the fans. They need to listen to the players & coaches. This would be new for them I know as they see themselves as omnipotent but if they don't I know I am giving it a miss because another weekend like the last one & I will have blown a gasket.
I think other than the odd example of a player having an eternity like Curnow i havn't minded the time afforded to players with no prior in finding a way to dispose of the ball cleanly, keeps the game flowing imo. To be honest I think this change might not be favourable for us as it will result in more ball ups which we're not that good at winning compared to having more time to get the ball to the outside. A big part of our game has been inviting tackles, absorbing, and finding a way to release it. Not only won't we be afforded the time, but he also mentioned that in those situation it would be payed htb. Chamberlain mentioned on SEN that the game will look more like it did in 2005, and we know how it was played back then.
 
Just looking at AFL 360. Steve McBurney says the AFL have just changed the definition of 'Reasonable Time' to dispose. As soon as this bloke took over the umpires start giving players an eternity to get rid of the ball. I could cook& serve a 4 course dinner in a 5 Star Restaurant in the time it took some players to get rid of the pill. In most cases they either didn't get rid of it or just dropped it, which is incorrect disposal which isn't being paid either. I remember McBurney & his era. There was a lot of talk at the time he umpired that players had an eternity to get rid of the ball & he has reintroduced the way he umpired.

I think McBurney's Maggots have to protect players by call HTB & ID immediately. Even the players say they haven't got a bloody clue what's going on. They are right of course. The weekend was the lowest point in AFL Umpiring and it started from a pretty low bar. For a professional game our rules are badly written & dreadfully adjudicated. In other games the code would not put up with this low standard but in ours the AFL & it's umpires are beyond reproach which is open for ridicule & of course the NRL Numnuts will come calling out our lamentably psychopathic administration. The AFL need to listen to the fans. They need to listen to the players & coaches. This would be new for them I know as they see themselves as omnipotent but if they don't I know I am giving it a miss because another weekend like the last one & I will have blown a gasket.
Agree with most , but don't allow the coaches to control anything , otherwise it will be a defensive slog
 
I think other than the odd example of a player having an eternity like Curnow i havn't minded the time afforded to players with no prior in finding a way to dispose of the ball cleanly, keeps the game flowing imo. To be honest I think this change might not be favourable for us as it will result in more ball ups which we're not that good at winning compared to having more time to get the ball to the outside. A big part of our game has been inviting tackles, absorbing, and finding a way to release it. Not only won't we be afforded the time, but he also mentioned that in those situation it would be payed htb. Chamberlain mentioned on SEN that the game will look more like it did in 2005, and we know how it was played back then.

If it should be a HTB call how does it keep the game flowing when the current interpretation leads to more ball ups, whereas pinging the player with HTB gives a FK and lets the play reset?

Players are expected to keep a player stood up in the tackle rather than slinging them, but aren't rewarded for it.
 
If it should be a HTB call how does it keep the game flowing when the current interpretation leads to more ball ups, whereas pinging the player with HTB gives a FK and lets the play reset?

Players are expected to keep a player stood up in the tackle rather than slinging them, but aren't rewarded for it.
Makes sense if there is prior, but that's not the example we tend to see - majority of those ones bar the odd umpire error are paid (problem is we will now see players taking tacklers on and getting pinged even if half a second later they manage a clean disposal).

For me it's more so going to be an issue when there is no prior which will end up as a ball up where another second of time might've seen the ball come out and the game continues. In that situation the tackler is unlikely to get rewarded anyway, it doesn't mean the tackle is useless, it's still affecting the player in getting a clean disposal even if standing. I'd rather see the game continue without stoppage, whether the ball bobbles out or a disposal, rather than be upset over being unable to sling them to the ground. Adjust your tackle technique then, you can still bring a player down without a sling.

Plus either way the game constantly resetting even for a fk is crap footy. When teams move the length of the ground on the back of 2 or 3 touchy free kicks, that's not footy imo. The oppo is also able to set up behind the ball which stops those exciting attacking chains. It's nice to just watch the players create the game, rather than contrived set plays. Reducing time to dispose of the ball by a second is going to reduce pure football. I just don't see an issue with that extra second that others seem to have a problem with.

The test will come tonight. Won't take long before you see a couple of examples of players breaking a tackle ready to run off with it or dispose, but they get called back for a htb or ball up. It's going to be shithouse I can just feel it.
 
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Makes sense if there is prior, but that's not the example we tend to see - majority of those ones bar the odd umpire error are paid (problem is we will now see players taking tacklers on and getting pinged even if half a second later they manage a clean disposal).

For me it's more so going to be an issue when there is no prior which will end up as a ball up where another second of time might've seen the ball come out and the game continues. In that situation the tackler is unlikely to get rewarded anyway, it doesn't mean the tackle is useless, it's still affecting the player in getting a clean disposal even if standing. I'd rather see the game continue without stoppage, whether the ball bobbles out or a disposal, rather than be upset over being unable to sling them to the ground. Adjust your tackle technique then, you can still bring a player down without a sling.

Plus either way the game constantly resetting even for a fk is crap footy. When teams move the length of the ground on the back of 2 or 3 touchy free kicks, that's not footy imo. The oppo is also able to set up behind the ball which stops those exciting attacking chains. It's nice to just watch the players create the game, rather than contrived set plays. Reducing time to dispose of the ball by a second is going to reduce pure football. I just don't see an issue with that extra second that others seem to have a problem with.

The test will come tonight. Won't take long before you see a couple of examples of players breaking a tackle ready to run off with it or dispose, but they get called back for a htb or ball up. It's going to be shithouse I can just feel it.

Nah there's plenty of examples where players have prior, or break free from the tackle only to be re-pinned where the call isn't HTB. That's what they need to be tightening up.

If the game resetting for a FK is crap footy teams should stop giving away FKs. Can't blame the umpires for adjudicating the rules. Would you rather the game just be stoppage after stoppage instead?
 
Nah there's plenty of examples where players have prior, or break free from the tackle only to be re-pinned where the call isn't HTB. That's what they need to be tightening up.

If the game resetting for a FK is crap footy teams should stop giving away FKs. Can't blame the umpires for adjudicating the rules. Would you rather the game just be stoppage after stoppage instead?
That's not even the rule they are tightening up. HTB has not changed. Those examples you speak of are umpire errors.

They're reducing time it takes to dispose of the ball before blowing the whistle which IS going to create stoppage after stoppage.

My sidenote is that it is also going to ping players taking the game on. Alot of the examples of Warner managing to fend off a tackler after a second or two are now considered htb because they're reducing the time the tackler needs to have arms on him before being rewarded.
 
That's not even the rule they are tightening up. HTB has not changed. Those examples you speak of are umpire errors.

They're reducing time it takes to dispose of the ball before blowing the whistle which IS going to create stoppage after stoppage.

My sidenote is that it is also going to ping players taking the game on. Alot of the examples of Warner managing to fend off a tackler after a second or two are now considered htb because they're reducing the time the tackler needs to have arms on him before being rewarded.

i think it might be slightly different but basically agree. Most of th examples they showed were one arm pinned - but they emphasised that making effort to kick would be enough. i think you are going to get a balls dropped towards a foot on contact with the intention of barely kicking it to create a stoppage in the area.
 
That's not even the rule they are tightening up. HTB has not changed. Those examples you speak of are umpire errors.

They're reducing time it takes to dispose of the ball before blowing the whistle which IS going to create stoppage after stoppage.

My sidenote is that it is also going to ping players taking the game on. Alot of the examples of Warner managing to fend off a tackler after a second or two are now considered htb because they're reducing the time the tackler needs to have arms on him before being rewarded.

They're tightening up how quickly they blow the whistle which will prevent players breaking free from tackles as in the case of Cottrell who got the ball to his boot. That was a specific example highlighted on 360.
 

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