Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

[Yoda_]

Is the medium marking fwd even a role in the current AFL landscape? Don’t see it as need at all.

Pretty much what Fantasia was in 2017

 

[eth-dog]

Most will agree that we bang on about being short big bodied midfielder on the list and would ideally like to add another a developing KF (Josh Eyre possibly?), but an area of concern for me is the medium sized forward role.

We don't have any developing medium marking fwds, we seem to have an obsession into transforming them into other roles but is an area of concern for me with the guys in our best 22 either injured at the moment, playing but not to a super high level (role player?!) or simply not good enough.


The list really is a shemozzle, we need;

1. Inside midfielder
2. Medium marking fwd
3. Key position Fwd
4. Key position Def
5. Wingman

The good thing is that an inside midfielder is probably the second easiest role to find via drafting, whilst getting a medium marking fwd to develop and take over down the track is one area that I would look at.

Hoping that our two Next Generation Academy kids are taken as free hits (Josh Eyre - KPF & Cody Brand - KPD).

We have medium marking forwards coming out the wazoo

 

[Yoda_]

We have medium marking forwards coming out the wazoo

Do we? Hard working ones that can work up the ground and then back to goal?

I'll politely agree to disagree. The ones we do have are not good enough or out injured bar Langford

 

[CBombers17]

Do we? Hard working ones that can work up the ground and then back to goal?

I'll politely agree to disagree. The ones we do have are not good enough or out injured bar Langford

I'm inclined to agree (and mentioned this same type and player earlier) I think we could have looked for someone in this mould over the 2 we took with our later picks.

Someone hard leading with some foot speed who can also take a mark and hit a target around 185.. Just based on type Cameron Taheny was taken at 50 by Geelong.

 

[eth-dog]

Do we? Hard working ones that can work up the ground and then back to goal?

I'll politely agree to disagree. The ones we do have are not good enough or out injured bar Langford

Stringer, Laverde, Townsend and Begley are all medium marking forwards.

 

[Yoda_]

Stringer, Laverde, Townsend and Begley are all medium marking forwards.

Townsend not good enough, Laverde perenially injured, Begley is apparently a midfielder. Stringer injured.

We don't have one that is developing is what I am suggesting

 

[Yoda_]

I'm inclined to agree (and mentioned this same type and player earlier) I think we could have looked for someone in this mould over the 2 we took with our later picks.

Someone hard leading with some foot speed who can also take a mark and hit a target around 185.. Just based on type Cameron Taheny was taken at 50 by Geelong.

Yep ! Am inclined to agree. We really do waste draft picks and positions on the list. We have done this for as long as I can remember

 

[eth-dog]

Townsend not good enough, Laverde perenially injured, Begley is apparently a midfielder. Stringer injured.

We don't have one that is developing is what I am suggesting

I'm just saying that it's probably the one area of the list that we have too many players.

And in the end, it's a fairly minor part of a football side.

 

[Yoda_]

I'm just saying that it's probably the one area of the list that we have too many players.

And in the end, it's a fairly minor part of a football side.

To be honest, its probably the most import part we lack on the list.

 

[BrunoV]

Most will agree that we bang on about being short big bodied midfielder on the list and would ideally like to add another a developing KF (Josh Eyre possibly?), but an area of concern for me is the medium sized forward role.

We don't have any developing medium marking fwds, we seem to have an obsession into transforming them into other roles but is an area of concern for me with the guys in our best 22 either injured at the moment, playing but not to a super high level (role player?!) or simply not good enough.


The list really is a shemozzle, we need;

1. Inside midfielder
2. Medium marking fwd
3. Key position Fwd
4. Key position Def
5. Wingman

The good thing is that an inside midfielder is probably the second easiest role to find via drafting, whilst getting a medium marking fwd to develop and take over down the track is one area that I would look at.

Hoping that our two Next Generation Academy kids are taken as free hits (Josh Eyre - KPF & Cody Brand - KPD).

Is a medium marking forward even a thing anymore? There are third talls, short power forwards, small forwards who all basically occupy the space of a medium.

Who are examples of what you're thinking about?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Is a medium marking forward even a thing anymore? There are third talls, short power forwards, small forwards who all basically occupy the space of a medium.

Who are examples of what you're thinking about?

There’s a few; Fristch, Zuuhaar, Rayner, Gunston, Rohan, Langford, Georgiades, Waterman, Dale, Lynch.

 

[eth-dog]

To be honest, its probably the most import part we lack on the list.

I would have it as probably the least important part on the list in general. They're essentially tweeners that are awkward structurally. Added to that, the only "medium forwards" I would classify to be around Stringer's level would be De Goey, Gunston, Membrey and Darling, although that one is a little awkward. We have Stringer in our seniors and then Townsend as a somewhat capable back up regardless of what happens to Laverde and Begley over the off season.

Is a medium marking forward even a thing anymore? There are third talls, short power forwards, small forwards who all basically occupy the space of a medium.

Who are examples of what you're thinking about?

This third tall concept is annoying. If we play Stewart, Hooker, Stringer and Townsend all in the same forward line this year, what would we call Townsend? The "third tall" is simply the third tallest player in that particular area of the ground. "Medium forward" refers to the fact that they're not really a tall nor really a small by the true definition of the word.

Wednesday was a prime example. We played Zerk-Thatcher, Francis, Gleeson and Ridley in defence. Who was the third tall there? Calling them mediums saves time because it's describing their actual size.

There’s a few; Fristch, Zuuhaar, Rayner, Gunston, Rohan, Langford, Georgiades, Waterman, Dale, Lynch.

I'd throw in De Goey, Membrey, Stephenson and Hannan (although he seems to be spending more time up the ground this year) in and take Langford out as he's mostly played as a winger who rests forward.

 

[CBombers17]

I think they can be damaging. Especially ones that can run through the middle (so high half forward flanker first / mid second). If they can he high ranging but also take a smaller defender deep towards goals in a marking contest it can be a problem match up.

If they aren't quick, skilled and relatively strong overhead i wouldn't bother though.

 

[Ambrosia]

I think they can be damaging. Especially ones that can run through the middle (so high half forward flanker first / mid second). If they can he high ranging but also take a smaller defender deep towards goals in a marking contest it can be a problem match up.

If they aren't quick i wouldn't bother though.

Quick forwards who are damaging, can play deep and in the midfield isn’t really a role though. You’re just saying we are missing a gun player.

 

[yodellinhank]

What's our Kyle?

 

[eth-dog]

The point I would make is that we have arguably the best medium forward in the AFL on our list in Stringer and multiple capable back ups, all of whom have 3-4 years in them, barring injury, at the very least on the list. It's not a big area of concern

What's our Kyle?

A winger who can play forward in a pinch

 

[CBombers17]

Quick forwards who are damaging, can play deep and in the midfield isn’t really a role though. You’re just saying we are missing a gun player.

Not really. Have a look at the player I've suggested 7 spots before we took a 5"9 slow forward Pocket - and then another a few picks later.

Theres 10 mid sized forward options listed in the last draft (all ranging from about 183cm to 189cm).

Add to that we rotate tiny small forwards through the midfield now who are not guns in there. There's no reason we couldn't get some.midfiled minutes out of bigger forwards and we do already anyways (though hopefully we don't go there with Townsend please).

 

[Ambrosia]

Not really. Have a look at the player I've suggested 7 spots before we took a 5"9 slow forward Pocket - and then another a few picks later.

Theres 10 mid sized forward options listed in the last draft (all ranging from about 183cm to 189cm).

Add to that we rotate tiny small forwards through the midfield now who are not guns in there. There's no reason we couldn't get some.midfiled minutes out of bigger forwards and we do already anyways (though hopefully we don't go there with Townsend please).

Give me the names of AFL mid sized forwards who are effective through the midfield, deep forward and have pace that aren’t guns

 

[Yoda_]

The point I would make is that we have arguably the best medium forward in the AFL on our list in Stringer and multiple capable back ups, all of whom have 3-4 years in them, barring injury, at the very least on the list. It's not a big area of concern

We have a very good medium forward, a medium fwd who plays a role and thats it


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[Yoda_]

I would have it as probably the least important part on the list in general. They're essentially tweeners that are awkward structurally. Added to that, the only "medium forwards" I would classify to be around Stringer's level would be De Goey, Gunston, Membrey and Darling, although that one is a little awkward. We have Stringer in our seniors and then Townsend as a somewhat capable back up regardless of what happens to Laverde and Begley over the off season.

You’re thinking a (tall) medium where as I’m talking about a (small) medium fwd. the ones who can role up to a wing, a high half fwd as some like to call them.

We don’t have any young creative ones coming through. That is what I’m suggesting.

They don’t need to be Robbie Grey but a player who can link up the midfield with the fwd groups.


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[Yoda_]

Is a medium marking forward even a thing anymore? There are third talls, short power forwards, small forwards who all basically occupy the space of a medium.

Who are examples of what you're thinking about?

A fit and firing Fantasia is exactly the type of player I’m referring to. We don’t have any developing ones in reserve. (In B4 Begley who is being modified into an inside mid).


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[eth-dog]

You’re thinking a (tall) medium where as I’m talking about a (small) medium fwd. the ones who can role up to a wing, a high half fwd as some like to call them.

We don’t have any young creative ones coming through. That is what I’m suggesting.

They don’t need to be Robbie Grey but a player who can link up the midfield with the fwd groups.


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So essentially a marking small.

 

[Yoda_]

So essentially a marking small.

Sure, we'll go with that




Just thinking about it, if we do fill that big bodied midfield spot then the list shuffle could squeeze out a guy like Merrett onto a wing and then a Will Snelling goes from the wing to a HFF and fills that role Im thinking of.


Id still like another marking player, maybe a developing player like we crave Jayden Laverde to be, what a Mitch Georgiades is now, what a Josh Dunkley can do, what Curtis Taylor is doing for the Roos etc.

 

[Ambrosia]

Sure, we'll go with that




Just thinking about it, if we do fill that big bodied midfield spot then the list shuffle could squeeze out a guy like Merrett onto a wing and then a Will Snelling goes from the wing to a HFF and fills that role Im thinking of.


Id still like another marking player, maybe a developing player like we crave Jayden Laverde to be, what a Mitch Georgiades is now, what a Josh Dunkley can do, what Curtis Taylor is doing for the Roos etc.

A big body would be great but worth noting that Merrett already has moved to a wing the past few weeks and Snelling hasn’t played much wing at all.

 

[Towno78]

Most will agree that we bang on about being short big bodied midfielder on the list and would ideally like to add another a developing KF (Josh Eyre possibly?), but an area of concern for me is the medium sized forward role.

We don't have any developing medium marking fwds, we seem to have an obsession into transforming them into other roles but is an area of concern for me with the guys in our best 22 either injured at the moment, playing but not to a super high level (role player?!) or simply not good enough.


The list really is a shemozzle, we need;

1. Inside midfielder
2. Medium marking fwd
3. Key position Fwd
4. Key position Def
5. Wingman

The good thing is that an inside midfielder is probably the second easiest role to find via drafting, whilst getting a medium marking fwd to develop and take over down the track is one area that I would look at.

Hoping that our two Next Generation Academy kids are taken as free hits (Josh Eyre - KPF & Cody Brand - KPD).

Every year you say an inside mid is one of the easiest positions to fill via the draft, yet every year we fail to do so.
Not sure it is actually that easy. Or could be just Dodoro and co of course.