Club Focus Tasmania 2028 - The List Build

[Caj]

Think they’ll be up against it

If kids/20 somethings don’t want to go and live and play on the Gold Coast, they’re not going to want to be in Tassy

Nice place if you’re 30/40+, not so much if you’re in your 20s

Won’t matter how much money they have to throw around, they’ll never be able to build a decent list, and don’t have the talent to fill with locals

 

[Freomaniac]

Serong is who I'd look at first.
Quality
Out of contract
And the right type of player to build around.

Caleb Serong would be a free agent too.

Another dockers player that's also out of contract would be Hayden Young. Lime Serong, came from the 2019 draft, out of contract in 2027 as he is doing his 8 years and will be a free agent.

Saying that... Hayden Young would be a solid player I would grab.

Plays inside and outside mid, plays on a back flank or forward flank. Can kick well with either foot.

 

[Freomaniac]

The AFL has said their start up concessions won't be as generous as what GWS and Gold Coast got (they won't take half of the first round picks in their first couple of years of entering the draft for example, but rather a wider and more immediate access to state league type players)

The line of thinking is they want Tassie to be competitive somewhat from day 1 and not just smashed weekly by 100 points plus like the Giants and Suns in their first couple of years.

I would not give Tassie picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15. They are likely not gonna trade those picks.

If that's the case, hand them picks 1, 2, 3 and 4. Then hand them the 1st 2 picks of each round from the 2nd round onwards. That is 16 draft picks likely to be 18 or 19 year olds.

Make Tassie choose 10 mature aged players between 20 to 24.

Hoping the Tassie side chooses 10 to 12 experienced players from other AFL clubs.

5 or 6 of those blokes are aged 30 or over on 2 year deals. 1st year is front loaded. Tassie will struggle to reach the minimum salary cap.

Then grab 5 or 6 players that are rejects or fringe players at other clubs aged 22 to 25 years old.

Then have access to 8 rookie listed players.

So 36 to 38 players on the main list and 8 rookies listed players

Its not about the list 1 or 2 years in. The squad should be solid by the end of the 3rd or 4th season.

 

[eastfreo75]

2027 and 2028 accounted for.

Does it get cut down to 3 VC players in 2029 and 1 VC player 2030?

I was thinking that would just be included in the draft.

2029-2032 Access to:
1. Unlimited Tasmania kids
2. Three mature players

 

[Freomaniac]

I'm for this, maybe not the 10 years but he's a good coach and will be better the second time around.

I say a 2 or 3 or even a 4 year deal to slowly build up the list.

 

[peasantbruh69]

I would prefer Tasmania being able to sign any uncontacted player for 2028 as if they were a free agent, and the player's former club to be compensated with a draft pick from the AFL. To spread out the draft burden, perhaps non finals teams get their compensation pick immediately (2027 draft), finals teams to get their compensation for the following draft (2028).

Extra draft picks with the attached caveat that they must be traded for players, only leads to the club with the picks being bent over for C graders. See North and their 'assistance' package.

Manipulating list sizes could also help smooth the entrance of Tasmania into the competition. List sizes could be increased now by 1, only to be cut back by 1 for 2028. The squeeze of list spots should see some clubs having to give up wanted players, and lead to a few extra diamonds in the rough in the crop of delisted free agents.

 

[worldlylizard19]

Think they’ll be up against it

If kids/20 somethings don’t want to go and live and play on the Gold Coast, they’re not going to want to be in Tassy

Nice place if you’re 30/40+, not so much if you’re in your 20s

Won’t matter how much money they have to throw around, they’ll never be able to build a decent list, and don’t have the talent to fill with locals

Tassie is going to be another Geelong. They are also going to be bringing "home" all the Country players. The falling standard of living in mainland cities is only going to get worse.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

West Coast and even to an extent Fremantle, were fortunate to have a large number of seasoned WAFL players to slot into their initial squads.

I wonder if Tasmania can find 6 or 7 players from their local leagues with experience.

A large majority of our best state league players left Tasmania over the last few seasons do to how low the tsl salary cap is there’s about 15-20 playing in the sanfl alone and there’s a few in the vfl

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I think they need mature bodies, so don't need lots of draft picks like GWS. Just every 5th pick or so.
I would guarantee them picks 1,6,11 at each of first two seasons.
For first year, every club gives up a player ( can protect 25 players).

Only giving them 1 6 11 would be setting them up for massive failure no where near enough for startup even if they trade some picks they need lots more I would think a gws supporters would understand more than anyone

 

[sydney_gws]

Only giving them 1 6 11 would be setting them up for massive failure no where near enough for startup even if they trade some picks they need lots more I would think a gws supporters would understand more than anyone

I think GWS didn't work, ended up wasting picks, trading them for peanuts in many cases ( like the 4,6,7 from 2014 draft, Bruhn 12, traded 18 etc).
GWS should have been given less, forced to play mature bodies via delisted players.
I have called for an expansion draft for Tas, each club gives up a player, so no need for compo apart from say an additional 6 players like Davis, Ward etc for GWS.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Think they’ll be up against it

If kids/20 somethings don’t want to go and live and play on the Gold Coast, they’re not going to want to be in Tassy

Nice place if you’re 30/40+, not so much if you’re in your 20s

Won’t matter how much money they have to throw around, they’ll never be able to build a decent list, and don’t have the talent to fill with locals

I think GWS didn't work, ended up wasting picks, trading them for peanuts in many cases ( like the 4,6,7 from 2014 draft, Bruhn 12, traded 18 etc).
GWS should have been given less, forced to play mature bodies via delisted players.
I have called for an expansion draft for Tas, each club gives up a player, so no need for compo apart from say an additional 6 players like Davis, Ward etc for GWS.

They tried that with Brisbane back in the day it doesn’t work what’s the point of clubs offering up players that are not best 22 and up with a heap of list cloggers , they need quality experienced players that’s why they need to have pretty generous salary cap concessions sign on bonuses , to go with quality young players

 

[Stamos]

List sizes could be increased now by 1, only to be cut back by 1 for 2028. The squeeze of list spots should see some clubs having to give up wanted players, and lead to a few extra diamonds in the rough in the crop of delisted free agents.

They should have already announced 3 extra rookie spots per club outside the salary cap for next year, say with an max age limit of 22 or 23.
Then by the time Tassie come in there'd be more than 100 extra kids with AFL Club/system experience.

 

[SinCitySainter]

They should give them Picks 1,2,3 and 4 in the first round and the top 3 picks in each subsequent round for year one.
Two picks each round year two and maybe even three.
Also give them 3 extra picks in the middle of the first and second rounds which must be traded.
They should also let them draft anyone that is over 23 and not in a club's top 15 paid players as if they are unrestricted free agents in year one.
Pre-trade access to all uncontracted players as if they are unrestricted free agents for two years.

Then allow them to structure the first 4 years of their salary cap anyway they want, so rather than $15m per year they have $60m over the 4 years.
That means they could offer a player $1.5m a year for 5 years but pay him $5m up front so he can set himself up for life with the right financial advice and still receives $500K a year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

2027

Have a team in the VFL.
Sign as many mature age players as possible e.g. get the best team from WAFL, VFL, SANFL, TSL
All contracts have an option for Tasmania to extend if they are part of the AFL list.





Package - 2028

1. Access to any Tasmania talent for 20 years
2. Access to any player who nominated for draft, and was not picked for 5 years.
3. Can sign any player who is out of contract, as a free agent.
4. Larger salary cap, in the first 5 years of their existence. Try to get them competitive from day 1.
5. Plethora of draft picks.
6. Increased list size for 5 to 10 years
7. Access to any Tasmanian player drafted in 2 years before they join AFL, unless they extend their contract.
8. Number 1 pick in MSD for 5 years

Plan
Target experience players that are good role models e.g. Callum Ward is better than Gary Ablett.
Target Tasmanian players, playing in the AFL.
Try to replicate what Geelong have done with their environment.
Hire best GM, Coach available. Get AFL to pay salary
Prioritise player development
Replicate what Jack Jumpers have done

 

[Freomaniac]

They should give them Picks 1,2,3 and 4 in the first round and the top 3 picks in each subsequent round for year one.
Two picks each round year two and maybe even three.
Also give them 3 extra picks in the middle of the first and second rounds which must be traded.
They should also let them draft anyone that is over 23 and not in a club's top 15 paid players as if they are unrestricted free agents in year one.
Pre-trade access to all uncontracted players as if they are unrestricted free agents for two years.

Then allow them to structure the first 4 years of their salary cap anyway they want, so rather than $15m per year they have $60m over the 4 years.
That means they could offer a player $1.5m a year for 5 years but pay him $5m up front so he can set himself up for life with the right financial advice and still receives $500K a year.

So picks 1, 2 ,3 and 4 handed out? Thats fine.

top 3 picks in each subsequent round?

So 3 picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th , 6th and 7th round? So another 18 draft picks? Seems fair. So that is 22 draft picks for getting 18 and 19 year old kids.

Tassie needs to find a way to get at least 8 to 12 players from other AFL clubs. So.... they could trade 1st or 2nd rounder. Free agents will help. De listed free agents or experienced players taken in the Pre season draft will help. Even getting rejected 22 or 23 year olds from other teams could help.

At the bare minium the Tassie list should have at least 40 players in the main squad. at least 35 in the primary list and 5 rookie listed players.

Each AFL club has 45 players in the playing squad. 40 in the main squad and 5 rookie list spots.


Main issue for me is gonna be the Salary cap.

the 1st 2 seasons will be the key. Tassie needs to find a way to reach the minimum salary cap in years 1 and 2.

GWS offered Tom Scully a 6 year deal at $6 million. But it was $2 million in year one then $800,000 in the last 5 seasons.


I can see players being offered 4 year deals at $3 million. $1,000,000 for years one and 2. $500,000 for years 3 and 4.

After the 2nd season is done, those players taken from the 2nd round onwards would have their 2 year deals finished and sign up to improved contracts.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I would like to have all AFL Clubs expand their list next year, and the year after by 2 and 4 spots respectively, and then go back to normal in 2027.

This should help Tasmania, as there will be more players available.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I think GWS didn't work, ended up wasting picks, trading them for peanuts in many cases ( like the 4,6,7 from 2014 draft, Bruhn 12, traded 18 etc).
GWS should have been given less, forced to play mature bodies via delisted players.
I have called for an expansion draft for Tas, each club gives up a player, so no need for compo apart from say an additional 6 players like Davis, Ward etc for GWS.

GWS have been a consistent footy club for over a decade now, I’d say their list build and continuing list management is first class in a market that is incredibly tough.
For just about every year of the last decade they’ve been r*ped and pillaged of players but have replaced them with mainly high draft picks by holding the pillagers to account.
Clearly been the standard bearer of expansion teams early days outside of West Coast, Port and Adelaide.
They need to win a flag though, I expect that response from my commentary


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[sydney_gws]

GWS have been a consistent footy club for over a decade now, I’d say their list build and continuing list management is first class in a market that is incredibly tough.
For just about every year of the last decade they’ve been r*ped and pillaged of players but have replaced them with mainly high draft picks by holding the pillagers to account.
Clearly been the standard bearer of expansion teams early days outside of West Coast, Port and Adelaide.
They need to win a flag though, I expect that response from my commentary


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I agree GWS did well, but they could have achieved almost as much on field with less picks than they did.
I think all the high picks GWS got annoyed AFL supporters of vic/sa/wa clubs living in sydney, hence hurting their off field support and crowd numbers.

They actually did worse in 2013 on field than 2012 due to Chad Cornes not being there.

Even 80% of the average AFL salary is about 4 times the average wage, or enables you to make enough money to buy another investment property ( with a loan paid for by the future renters).
So many players will try hard to train well, stay on an AFL list. So i think delisted players need to be signed for Tas . Some only last 1 year, I don't think they clog the list up as such.

 

[tombomb]

It is clearly not going to happen now, but the AFL had a good 5 years to work out the details of an expansion draft.

It would have ensured no existing team was significantly disadvantaged over another.

The National Draft could have remained virtually untouched.

And Tasmania would have been competitive from their first game.

 

[sydney_gws]

It is clearly not going to happen now, but the AFL had a good 5 years to work out the details of an expansion draft.

It would have ensured no existing team was significantly disadvantaged over another.

The National Draft could have remained virtually untouched.

And Tasmania would have been competitive from their first game.

Why not do an expansion draft, combined with 6 first rounders, or the equivalent of Richmond's haul this year. And in year2, picks 1,7,15,22.
That's plenty of mature players, plenty of high picks without stuffing up the draft for other clubs.
Hopefully Collimgwood and Carlton finish bottom 2 in 2027 ( or 2028 as I think entry gets pushed back to 2029). That will limit the picks Tas gets.

 

[tombomb]

Why not do an expansion draft, combined with 6 first rounders, or the equivalent of Richmond's haul this year. And in year2, picks 1,7,15,22.
That's plenty of mature players, plenty of high picks without stuffing up the draft for other clubs.
Hopefully Collimgwood and Carlton finish bottom 2 in 2027 ( or 2028 as I think entry gets pushed back to 2029). That will limit the picks Tas gets.

With a proper expansion draft, you wouldn't need the 6 first rounders.

Tasmania could enter the draft at the end of their first year. You could leave the National Draft completely untouched, aside from giving them exclusive access to Tasmania.

But given the AFL can barely sort out a jumper clash, it clearly isn't going to happen as it would be complicated to negotiate with the AFLPA.

 

[Wizard]

Caleb Serong would be a free agent too.

Another dockers player that's also out of contract would be Hayden Young. Lime Serong, came from the 2019 draft, out of contract in 2027 as he is doing his 8 years and will be a free agent.

Saying that... Hayden Young would be a solid player I would grab.

Plays inside and outside mid, plays on a back flank or forward flank. Can kick well with either foot.

SOLID PLAYER?

Top 5 mid in the comp without doubt this time next year.

 

[Wild Bill]

SOLID PLAYER?

Top 5 mid in the comp without doubt this time next year.

Will be lucky to be top 5 mid of his draft year let alone the entire comp.

Without a doubt there is huge doubts.....

 

[jdstorm]

Think Danger had the best idea.

Expansion draft.
Tassie can take up to 2 players off every afl list. Teams get FA compo level picks in return. Then normal draft hand beyond that.

1 compromised draft. Then Tassie can get assistance picks like other struggling clubs that have a sook if they are bad in 2 years time

 

[Cleric]

Is there any idea what will happen with this?
Tasmania will have access to the top 17 year olds for a couple.of years. If one of those players is a father son.of another club, or an academy kid, who gets the rights to the kid? Tassie or the club he is FS or Academy with?