Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

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Sco80 said:
It looks as though The decision has been made. Bucks looks comfortable to me
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Sco, If, after the submission of the Reviews to the Board is to reappoint Bucks. Then so be it. However, the outcomes of the Reviews (as they were following at Geelong following their review at the end of 2006) need to be transparent and acted upon.

The process of and the outcome of the Review was brutal for Bomber in many ways and he acknowledged that he was close to throwing it in as he was happy with some of the issues that were raised that he disagreed with, but without the review happening, Bomber would not have reflected on and changed accordingly (and there would not have been the dynasty from 2007-2011), removed some of his roles that were non-coaching related or empowered his assistants with more buy-in and responsibility.

My concern is whether Buck's has the ability to change. Harry Lumumba raised a valid point about Bucks lack of emotional intelligence, but it has been largely ignored as sour grapes. However, several ex-players and assistant coaches have also raised this, as did Bucks in his autobiography. In six years under him we have not progressed and still do not have a sustainable game plan. Here's hoping....for something
 
Roverjg said:
Sco, If, after the submission of the Reviews to the Board is to reappoint Bucks. Then so be it. However, the outcomes of the Reviews (as they were following at Geelong following their review at the end of 2006) need to be transparent and acted upon.

The process of and the outcome of the Review was brutal for Bomber in many ways and he acknowledged that he was close to throwing it in as he was happy with some of the issues that were raised that he disagreed with, but without the review happening, Bomber would not have reflected on and changed accordingly (and there would not have been the dynasty from 2007-2011), removed some of his roles that were non-coaching related or empowered his assistants with more buy-in and responsibility.

My concern is whether Buck's has the ability to change. Harry Lumumba raised a valid point about Bucks lack of emotional intelligence, but it has been largely ignored as sour grapes. However, several ex-players and assistant coaches have also raised this, as did Bucks in his autobiography. In six years under him we have not progressed and still do not have a sustainable game plan. Here's hoping....for something
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Bucks raised it in his autobiography in description of his younger playing days.
For all we know, H went after him for something minor. I don't mind if it's true nor do I mind if someone steps in and says Bucks stuffed up big time in this instance. What I will say that if Harry wants to talk about emotional intelligence, regulating your own emotions and associated behaviour is part of it too. The article in the age about his outburst at Buckley indicates that H has a bit of work to do. It's a lot more than empathy and being the champion of particular causes.
 
Irrespective of whether Buck's does or does not continue to coach the Pies after this season I have never doubted his integrity, honesty, diplomacy, loyalty and total love for the Collingwood Football Club. He has always been a selfless ambassador for the club. He will put the clubs needs above his own.

As supporters, whether we want Bucks to coach us or not, we all want the Pies to be successful on and off the field. However, some people appear to take it as a personal affront if somebody disagrees with their opinion and feel they have to respond by belittling the person. By doing this all it does is belittles your own opinion when you have to resort to vitriol. Play the ball and not the man. If you don't like what somebody has written, move-on or put us on the ignore list.
 
Saintly Viewed said:
Either the coach gets the praise or the coach gets the brick bats.....

Gets the lot plus the salary.

That's the deal.

Is a coach good or bad? At the end, the better players you gave the more chance you'll be considered a good coach.

Horrible job. Always being criticised, always coppping abuse (even by your own supporters) basically people generally never happy (except the moments after winning a flag).

All the team boards are similar.

But anyway it's been a fascinating ride.

But to me, we don't have the list at a stage yet where we can really challenge.

The main guy that sits in the box is the great creation of sport, the focus.

But he plays a role, it's important, but with our lot today ain't nobody but nobody going to name us challenge for the big prizes of football.
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Not for a long time to cone me thinks
 
Roverjg said:
Sco, If, after the submission of the Reviews to the Board is to reappoint Bucks. Then so be it. However, the outcomes of the Reviews (as they were following at Geelong following their review at the end of 2006) need to be transparent and acted upon.

The process of and the outcome of the Review was brutal for Bomber in many ways and he acknowledged that he was close to throwing it in as he was happy with some of the issues that were raised that he disagreed with, but without the review happening, Bomber would not have reflected on and changed accordingly (and there would not have been the dynasty from 2007-2011), removed some of his roles that were non-coaching related or empowered his assistants with more buy-in and responsibility.

My concern is whether Buck's has the ability to change. Harry Lumumba raised a valid point about Bucks lack of emotional intelligence, but it has been largely ignored as sour grapes. However, several ex-players and assistant coaches have also raised this, as did Bucks in his autobiography. In six years under him we have not progressed and still do not have a sustainable game plan. Here's hoping....for something
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I'm not a fan of this review because it is a compromised, biased review or will be. Collingwood don't take kindly to hometruths. It should of been an entirely dependant review imo. Not one of eds mates conducting it
 
Saintly Viewed said:
You do realise it's only an objective view if you hold that view.

If you don't, it becomes a subjective view.

Humans, me included, all tend to parrot their opinions as if it is some noble objective view point fully uncompromised. But humans don't really do that.
We form opinions, then we promote them with noble intent.

But they're still as subjective as the next opinion, with all the built in biases of our experiences and judgments.

(Except mine :D that's purely objective :D)
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Feeling philosophical Saintly?
 

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Saintly Viewed said:
Why is what you say anymore the truth than what some one else says if it's a different view point.

Why not articulate a point without the slagging off at people. Not sure how that makes your point any more valid.

Why can't people have different opinions?

Why do people have to be pegged as some cult follower?

Sounds very condescending, not sure how it makes your point any more valid.

I think we get where you stand.
That's your opinion, you want a new coach. Fair enough.

But why insult a differening view point?

Just wondering that's all.
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Feeling hurt Saintly?
 
doodles98 said:
There was something in it for all of us. If only we would let the love in!
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Hermione Granger? As an adult? Sure.

Smart, knows spells has access to an invisibility cloak, what's not to love?
 
Carringbush2010 said:
Well that's ok then if you couldn't care less than the rest of us can breathe easy and shouldn't give a s*** either. Actually I do that's why I follow Collingwood instead of the unsuccessful like saints, dogs, freo etc. - we don't accept extended terms of mediocrity at Collingwood, if you do then you are not a passionate Collingwood supporter. So do you give a s***?
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Bet I have paid out more $$$ to be a member than you have.
I give a **** which is why I buy tickets and seats every year. I don't have to talk s** though.
 
Vicky Park said:
And that's never happened before in the history of football? Some extreme exaggeration going on here.

We are an average side, playing some average football, and we let another good lead slip. Very disappointing. Some poor coaching no doubt, together with inexperience.

Bucks may very well fall on his sword in the next week or so. But is it necessary to 'catastrophise' everything?
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"Some extreme exaggeration going on here." Hardly! I just stated exactly what happened - 6 goals in one quarter and 3 goals thereafter for the rest of the match and I questioned how this could happen?

As for "catastrophising" everything, I think that's a touch dramatic. Mind you, you could liken the last 6 years under McGuire/Pert/Buckley/The Board as mirroring that of a dramatic Greek tragedy.

Maybe a better reflection of the last 6 years can be found in the poignant words of wordsmith Paul Keating to John Hewson - " I want to do you slowly".
 
westozpie said:
No one was blaming injuries for earlier this year, almost all the injury comments referred to the years before ie swans 2016, Elliott missing year and a half, references to the many ACL injuries we had, Scharenburgs missed years etc etc. Most comments are for previous years.
We are all possibly guilty of maybe skewing facts to suit our argument, and you certainly are
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No, that wasn't the argument. The argument was that recent losses were blamed on injuries by some posters, but the point being brought up then was what was the excuse for all our losses when we were basically injury free earlier this year?

Buckley backers would deflect it onto something else, as like a politician, they cannot take responsibility for any wrong doing.
 
Roverjg said:
Irrespective of whether Buck's does or does not continue to coach the Pies after this season I have never doubted his integrity, honesty, diplomacy, loyalty and total love for the Collingwood Football Club. He has always been a selfless ambassador for the club. He will put the clubs needs above his own.

As supporters, whether we want Bucks to coach us or not, we all want the Pies to be successful on and off the field. However, some people appear to take it as a personal affront if somebody disagrees with their opinion and feel they have to respond by belittling the person. By doing this all it does is belittles your own opinion when you have to resort to vitriol. Play the ball and not the man. If you don't like what somebody has written, move-on or put us on the ignore list.
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"He will put the clubs needs above his own."

I beg to differ my friend. And please don't take this difference of opinion as a personal attack on you or Buckley. He will not because he will then have to walk away from his beloved Collingwood without achieving any team success (as player or senior coach). He will hang in there in the unshakeable belief that he can turn things around.

Notwithstanding his comments of some 12 months ago about making finals in 2018 (and let's not deal in semantics here), he will hungrily accept a contract extension if it is offered. Without a second thought. Why? Because it keeps the dream alive.
 
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