Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[doppleganger]

an inanimate carbon rod could have coached those sides to finals

So it is always about the players!

 

[westozpie]

I wonder how many on the Richmond board were similarly aggrieved as some of our more vocal, angry and without hope types on here.
You know the ones that are now patting Hardwick on the back, conveniently forgetting what they were calling him last year and being grateful at what Richmond did, like sticking with their coach and fixing up where the problems really were. Just wondering

 

[jmac70]

an inanimate carbon rod could have coached those sides to finals

In Rod we trust..

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Saintly/Westozpie and Others.....
Just one question - what drives you more regarding the likely extension?

(i) Having Buckley stay on as senior coach.
(ii) Taking great delight at all those supporters out there that will go absolutely nuts when he is extended.

Your question doesn't give me the third option, which is more my real answer.

As it's polite to answer questions asked in an appropriate manner, the second option is nothing to me. I have no delight in others squirming and hyperventilating. I just don't function like that. If I get bored with such responses I'm pretty ok at skimming and not paying attention much attention to it. Meh, people can do whatever they wish.

The first opinion is the only viable option of the two, but it's not the true answer either. It's the third non tabled option.

Third option: the coach is important, he plays a role, he leads he is the boss. All true.
But it's the players that matter. No good players, no good results.
So you build the list, you build some more.
As Nathan made finals the first two years, but realised (in my view correctly) that was it, no more flags from that lot, he determined to rebuild the list.
So the last four years he's done that. I'm more than happy for him to continue his list, the group coming through together are just starrting to reach the threshold and should do so in the next year or two.
The young ones determine if it will end successfully or like much of the last 70! Years without a flag.
Treloar, Grundy, De Goey, Maynard, Moore, Elliot, Adams, Langdon, Scharenberg, Crisp, Broomhead, Hoskin-Elliot, Howe and others, Daicos, Brown, McLarty, Sier they or a good bunch of them will deliver or flounder.

It's that simple.

People make it sound like we as Collingwood have knocked up winning premierships it's just Buckley that's stopping us. If only it was that simple.

One day a new donkey will come along, and we can all get stuck into him just as much.

Nothing surer.

 

[HFF]

^^SV....

If his name wasn't Nathan Buckley, do you think this "uncertainty" would be happening?

As a supporter, looking at the club for strong leadership to be shown, I find it truly astonishing that it is even an issue that his name is Nathan Buckley when judgment is being passed.

 

[shizzle]

Your question doesn't give me the third option, which is more my real answer.

As it's polite to answer questions asked in an appropriate manner, the second option is nothing to me. I have no delight in others squirming and hyperventilating. I just don't function like that. If I get bored with such responses I'm pretty ok at skimming and not paying attention much attention to it. Meh, people can do whatever they wish.

The first opinion is the only viable option of the two, but it's not the true answer either. It's the third non tabled option.

Third option: the coach is important, he plays a role, he leads he is the boss. All true.
But it's the players that matter. No good players, no good results.
So you build the list, you build some more.
As Nathan made finals the first two years, but realised (in my view correctly) that was it, no more flags from that lot, he determined to rebuild the list.
So the last four years he's done that. I'm more than happy for him to continue his list, the group coming through together are just starrting to reach the threshold and should do so in the next year or two.
The young ones determine if it will end successfully or like much of the last 70! Years without a flag.
Treloar, Grundy, De Goey, Maynard, Moore, Elliot, Adams, Langdon, Scharenberg, Crisp, Broomhead, Hoskin-Elliot, Howe and others, Daicos, Brown, McLarty, Sier they or a good bunch of them will deliver or flounder.

It's that simple.

People make it sound like we as Collingwood have knocked up winning premierships it's just Buckley that's stopping us. If only it was that simple.

One day a new donkey will come along, and we can all get stuck into him just as much.

Nothing surer.

Nice post shill, it takes a certain type of club plant to stoicly continue to spread the gospel of delusional mediocrity. At least you're consistent lol.

 

[jmac70]

Nice post shill, it takes a certain type of club plant to stoicly continue to spread the gospel of delusional mediocrity. At least you're consistent lol.

And you're being consistently rude.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I wonder how many on the Richmond board were similarly aggrieved as some of our more vocal, angry and without hope types on here.
You know the ones that are now patting Hardwick on the back, conveniently forgetting what they were calling him last year and being grateful at what Richmond did, like sticking with their coach and fixing up where the problems really were. Just wondering

Even more than here.

The internet will always give voice to the disgruntled.
And the optimistic.

But before internet, people got annoyed, vented, moved on (mostly).
Now they can vent and vent, and then vent some more.

And bigfooty amongst other internet sites can provide an echo chamber so it just cycles and cycles.

But unsure what they themselves could really do if they were making the decisions.

Pretty sure nearly everyone would fail miserably, the place would be a rabble.
Because whatever action yoo take, it can't please everyonepeoole complain, people moan, and off it goes. But then they are dealing with it. Not so easy then.

I'd fail too.

There is no simple solutions if the players aren't there yet. None!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Nice post shill, it takes a certain type of club plant to stoicly continue to spread the gospel of delusional mediocrity. At least you're consistent lol.

That the best you can do?

Now go and get your shine box

 

[westozpie]

Saintly/Westozpie and Others.....

I think you guys will get your wish - a Buckley contract extension (with additional bells and whistles attached to sell it). As I said earlier, it will be Edward's finest work and I far one, can't wait.

Just one question - what drives you more regarding the likely extension?

(i) Having Buckley stay on as senior coach.
(ii) Taking great delight at all those supporters out there that will go absolutely nuts when he is extended.

I will say hand on heart I will be happy as I think it is the best for the club. The rants might be interesting to read but wouldn't be giving me any extra pleasure. My beef has really been about abusive language towards Bucks and my favourite that is the posters that are happy to lie and pass off as facts

 

[doppleganger]

^^SV....

If his name wasn't Nathan Buckley, do you think this "uncertainty" would be happening?

As a supporter, looking at the club for strong leadership to be shown, I find it truly astonishing that it is even an issue that his name is Nathan Buckley when judgment is being passed.

A big part of the problem IMO is that even with the circus that has surrounded him from day one, Buckley always comes across as assured, strong and as the leader of the club.

Compare him to guys like Watters, Neeld, Sanderson, T.Shaw, and Ratten guys who looked like they were out of their depth at times.

 

[Anzacday]

Roos said he wouldn't coach us.
Didn't say he wouldn't be in another role

 

[westozpie]

Even more than here.

The internet will always give voice to the disgruntled.
And the optimistic.

But before internet, people got annoyed, vented, moved on (mostly).
Now they can vent and vent, and then vent some more.

And bigfooty amongst other internet sites can provide an echo chamber so it just cycles and cycles.

But unsure what they themselves could really do if they were making the decisions.

Pretty sure nearly everyone would fail miserably, the place would be a rabble.
Because whatever action yoo take, it can't please everyonepeoole complain, people moan, and off it goes. But then they are dealing with it. Not so easy then.

I'd fail too.

There is no simple solutions if the players aren't there yet. None!

Correct mate, no players no premiership. I have said it over and over, the great Leigh Mathews has said and I tend to think he knows more than all of us.

 

[swoop42]

I wonder how many on the Richmond board were similarly aggrieved as some of our more vocal, angry and without hope types on here.
You know the ones that are now patting Hardwick on the back, conveniently forgetting what they were calling him last year and being grateful at what Richmond did, like sticking with their coach and fixing up where the problems really were. Just wondering

Richmond missed finals for 1 season after winning 15 games in 2015 and played finals in both 2014 and 13.

It's not remotely comparable to our current predicament and people need to stop treating it as such.

Besides they're yet to win a final under Hardwick (haven't won one since 2001) so he and that football club are hardly something to aspire towards.

If we want to look for inspiration then I'd rather look towards Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

^^SV....

If his name wasn't Nathan Buckley, do you think this "uncertainty" would be happening?

As a supporter, looking at the club for strong leadership to be shown, I find it truly astonishing that it is even an issue that his name is Nathan Buckley when judgment is being passed.

Who knows.

But just because some people in the media and elsewhere are hyperventilating doesn't mean the club (read:Ed ) should make decisions out of their time frames.

Four years of rebuilding doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
But I'm a patient guy.
I think this year, the fact we were so close in so many games, never once getting smashed, says to me we are getting (slowly) better.
If we are so bad, why are we so close.

So I'm happy to continue because the next coach will be in the same predicament.

There is no magic cure.

People on here think new coach, voila, premierships. Sounds that way.

But as a club, and we are a medium club, a big supportered but medium club, are not close to having the requisite talent, yet. Hopefully the group comes through.

The odds say we won't.

Not like we win flags every other year.

By the way, apparantly the players love the coach, not that is the main driver. It's just an interesting aside.
But who cares what players think anyway.

It's all the mythical coach.

 

[Chameleon75]

Even more than here.

The internet will always give voice to the disgruntled.
And the optimistic.

But before internet, people got annoyed, vented, moved on (mostly).
Now they can vent and vent, and then vent some more.

And bigfooty amongst other internet sites can provide an echo chamber so it just cycles and cycles.

But unsure what they themselves could really do if they were making the decisions.

Pretty sure nearly everyone would fail miserably, the place would be a rabble.
Because whatever action yoo take, it can't please everyonepeoole complain, people moan, and off it goes. But then they are dealing with it. Not so easy then.

I'd fail too.

There is no simple solutions if the players aren't there yet. None!

Before the internet people vented by dumping a truckload of chicken manure at punt road (Richmond people at least). Internet venting is not quite as messy.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Richmond missed finals for 1 season after winning 15 games in 2015 and played finals in both 2014 and 13.

It's not remotely comparable to our current predicament and people need to stop treating it as such.

Besides they're yet to win a final under Hardwick (haven't won one since 2001) so he and that football club are hardly something to aspire towards.

If we want to look for inspiration then I'd rather look towards Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn.

Sydney Hawthorn Geelong

All better players and list.

Hawthorn having a few players get older, moved on etc, funny they dropped away didn't make finals, even with Clarkson.

The players are most of it.

That's all Ive ever said. I'm in the Leigh Matthews camp on that one. I'll take my chances with Leigh.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Before the internet people vented by dumping a truckload of chicken manure at punt road (Richmond people at least). Internet venting is not quite as messy.

That was truly gold.

Richmond right?

Ah supporters, so much passion.

But after all, it's only a game

 

[loki04]

Roos said he wouldn't coach us.
Didn't say he wouldn't be in another role

He said he would not be at collingwood in any capacity when grilled by robbo on league teams.

 

[Anzacday]

He said he would not be at collingwood in any capacity when grilled by robbo on league teams.

Ok thanks - there goes that theory.

 

[westozpie]

Richmond missed finals for 1 season after winning 15 games in 2015 and played finals in both 2014 and 13.

It's not remotely comparable to our current predicament and people need to stop treating it as such.

Besides they're yet to win a final under Hardwick (haven't won one since 2001) so he and that football club are hardly something to aspire towards.

If we want to look for inspiration then I'd rather look towards Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn.

All true but my post is about the venom they spewed, no less than ours. Given they lost every final their supporters were equally gunning for Hardwick

 

[doppleganger]

If we want to look for inspiration then I'd rather look towards Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn.

Sydney a club who also introduced a coaching succession plan, or Geelong the club who kept their coach Bomber Thompson after conducting a thorough football department review after the club failed to meet expectations?

Strong football clubs are built on the back of strong football departments working with great administration teams, which enables the footy department to perform well.

We haven't had a strong football department for years, and the administration has been more focused on expanding the brand.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

A big part of the problem IMO is that even with the circus that has surrounded him from day one, Buckley always comes across as assured, strong and as the leader of the club.

Compare him to guys like Watters, Neeld, Sanderson, T.Shaw, and Ratten guys who looked like they were out of their depth at times.

You do raise a massive point here.

I think one thing that makes me support our coach (besides I support our coach whilst they are there) is what you say.

He displays the authority of a leader, assured, is in control, strong, all the things you mentioned.
To me he comes across as if he is always learning and improving.

He doesn't fall apart at the seams like others do.

Eg Neeld, Rhode, Watters no authority. Personally thought Ratten came across a bit average, even not that articulate, but that might the be a Carlton thing, who knows, but at least he's better than their current "emotional nourishment" guy.
They may all be excellent assistants for all I know, but non leaders to me.

The time will come, there will be a new coach, whenever and I'll support him.
But without better players he will be doomed to not succeed.

Only seen two flags. They don't come easy. And truth be told both those years we had the planets align and it fel our way. That was great.

One day I hope we have an era team, where the group has such quality that we win a few flags in a short space of time. Then we will all laud the guy that's the coach. Be nice if it was sooner than later.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Oh dear, I've tired you all out.....

See you again folks.

And my shoes are real shined....

You should see them, they look like mirrors

Thanks to spitshine Tommy.

I'm just a good fella at heart

 

[Chameleon75]

Style over substance