Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

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DAVID Cloke has lashed Nathan Buckley, saying his son Travis was thriving at the Western Bulldogs because of coach Luke Beveridge and the game plan.

Cloke Sr levelled significant blame at Buckley and his midfield for Travis’s demise at Collingwood.

He said Travis was a “scapegoat” for poor coaching, going all the way back to Anzac Day last year, when the powerhouse forward was axed for American Mason Cox.
Cloke Sr savaged Buckley’s style, which he claimed was based around high possessions in the midfield and slow ball movement, and which didn’t suit key forwards.

He said Buckley’s style would “destroy” emerging forward Darcy Moore and he took aim at captain Scott Pendlebury and prized recruit Adam Treloar.

“It’s the style of game under Buckley,” Cloke said. “The Bulldogs run and carry, Collingwood don’t run and carry the ball.

“And it goes back to the coach. I’ve heard people say leave Bucks alone, that it’s the players ... well, it’s not.

“He’s the head coach, he’s in charge of it.
“He’s got rid of all the players who wanted to run and carry the ball. He got rid of Heath Shaw. He got rid of Harry O’Brien. Nick Maxwell retired and they never replaced them with players who ran and carried the ball.

“The thing is, Travis has got a coach who’s got a game style which wants to get the ball into the forward line.

“Whereas at Collingwood ... and they’re doing the same with Darcy Moore now.

“They will destroy him because they have a game style which revolves around their midfielders getting high possessions, but don’t get the ball into their forward half.

“Last year, everyone wanted to say it was Travis’ fault, but a forward in today’s football can’t do any good if the side is not getting the ball in properly.”
“But Bucks wanted to change the style of the game and I know they wanted to get rid of Travis as early as Anzac Day last year.”

Cloke Sr described his son as being a scapegoat.

“He sure was.” Cloke Sr said.

Cloke Sr offered statistics to support his argument the Pies midfielders were not elite ball-movers.

And he pointed the finger Pendlebury and Treloar.

Champion Data revealed Treloar and Pendlebury were ranked No.24 and No.32 — which is coincidence — in both metres gained and inside 50 averages since the start of the 2016 season.

Cloke Sr said he had attended both Collingwood games this season.

“I’ve watched them play and they play exactly the same way, chip sideways to a player who’s got to get back over the mark and they don’t get the ball in quickly,” he said.

“When they look good, and when they can win a game, it’s when they get the ball in quick.”

He said his son’s attitude to the game had not changed from Collingwood to the Bulldogs.

“But he’s happy now. He’s getting a game, he’s doing what they wanted him to do, it’s working well and he’s got a coach who has shown confidence in him,” he said.

“They got him, they wanted him to play a role they needed him to play for them.

“All Collingwood has concentrated on is getting a midfield, getting all these players in the midfield.

“What they need to do is get a game plan which tries to win games of football.

“Everyone says have a look at their mighty midfield, but they don’t get the ball into the forward half quickly enough, they don’t get it in directly enough and when they do get it in, they have to go so wide and players are missing shots.

“The mids get it and blast away. They don’t man up, they don’t go defensive. Who runs the ball out of the back half?”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/e6f77594aca73ed013e7d8c54367eebc
 
Ok all my assertions may be wrong and i might not take on board peoples evidence but the cold hard facts are Buckley isn't performing to a standard i believe is possible/expected at this club. He has had 5 full seasons and we seem to be either treading water or heading backwards.
We're clearly going backwards, and I'm yet to be convinced this year gives us any hope for an improvement.

My view is Bucks can stay as long as it appears he has the players on side. I believe our issues not only relate to Bucks, but the whole running of the club. Recruitment has been exceptional on occasions, but absolutely appalling at times too.
Injury issues have made it hard, but if that has really been a legitimate excuse, why would you recruit Wells, who has a terrible injury record. Its not the playing list that needs a rebuild.

There's too many issues to make a blanket statement that he isn't a good coach, but what can be said is, he's put together the list he wanted. Now he holds the resposibilty to get the best out of it. Too many games like the Richmond game and he'll be packing his bags.
 

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DAVID Cloke has lashed Nathan Buckley, saying his son Travis was thriving at the Western Bulldogs because of coach Luke Beveridge and the game plan.

Cloke Sr levelled significant blame at Buckley and his midfield for Travis’s demise at Collingwood.

He said Travis was a “scapegoat” for poor coaching, going all the way back to Anzac Day last year, when the powerhouse forward was axed for American Mason Cox.
Cloke Sr savaged Buckley’s style, which he claimed was based around high possessions in the midfield and slow ball movement, and which didn’t suit key forwards.

He said Buckley’s style would “destroy” emerging forward Darcy Moore and he took aim at captain Scott Pendlebury and prized recruit Adam Treloar.

“It’s the style of game under Buckley,” Cloke said. “The Bulldogs run and carry, Collingwood don’t run and carry the ball.

“And it goes back to the coach. I’ve heard people say leave Bucks alone, that it’s the players ... well, it’s not.

“He’s the head coach, he’s in charge of it.
“He’s got rid of all the players who wanted to run and carry the ball. He got rid of Heath Shaw. He got rid of Harry O’Brien. Nick Maxwell retired and they never replaced them with players who ran and carried the ball.

“The thing is, Travis has got a coach who’s got a game style which wants to get the ball into the forward line.

“Whereas at Collingwood ... and they’re doing the same with Darcy Moore now.

“They will destroy him because they have a game style which revolves around their midfielders getting high possessions, but don’t get the ball into their forward half.

“Last year, everyone wanted to say it was Travis’ fault, but a forward in today’s football can’t do any good if the side is not getting the ball in properly.”
“But Bucks wanted to change the style of the game and I know they wanted to get rid of Travis as early as Anzac Day last year.”

Cloke Sr described his son as being a scapegoat.

“He sure was.” Cloke Sr said.

Cloke Sr offered statistics to support his argument the Pies midfielders were not elite ball-movers.

And he pointed the finger Pendlebury and Treloar.

Champion Data revealed Treloar and Pendlebury were ranked No.24 and No.32 — which is coincidence — in both metres gained and inside 50 averages since the start of the 2016 season.

Cloke Sr said he had attended both Collingwood games this season.

“I’ve watched them play and they play exactly the same way, chip sideways to a player who’s got to get back over the mark and they don’t get the ball in quickly,” he said.

“When they look good, and when they can win a game, it’s when they get the ball in quick.”

He said his son’s attitude to the game had not changed from Collingwood to the Bulldogs.

“But he’s happy now. He’s getting a game, he’s doing what they wanted him to do, it’s working well and he’s got a coach who has shown confidence in him,” he said.

“They got him, they wanted him to play a role they needed him to play for them.

“All Collingwood has concentrated on is getting a midfield, getting all these players in the midfield.

“What they need to do is get a game plan which tries to win games of football.

“Everyone says have a look at their mighty midfield, but they don’t get the ball into the forward half quickly enough, they don’t get it in directly enough and when they do get it in, they have to go so wide and players are missing shots.

“The mids get it and blast away. They don’t man up, they don’t go defensive. Who runs the ball out of the back half?”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/e6f77594aca73ed013e7d8c54367eebc

Just sounds like a Pissed Off Dad and nothing else
 
Not allowed to post the whole article so I haven't;)

DAVID Cloke has lashed Nathan Buckley, saying his son Travis was thriving at the Western Bulldogs because of coach Luke Beveridge and the game plan.

Cloke Sr levelled significant blame at Buckley and his midfield for Travis’s demise at Collingwood.

He said Travis was a “scapegoat” for poor coaching, going all the way back to Anzac Day last year, when the powerhouse forward was axed for American Mason Cox.
Cloke Sr savaged Buckley’s style, which he claimed was based around high possessions in the midfield and slow ball movement, and which didn’t suit key forwards.

He said Buckley’s style would “destroy” emerging forward Darcy Moore and he took aim at captain Scott Pendlebury and prized recruit Adam Treloar.

“It’s the style of game under Buckley,” Cloke said. “The Bulldogs run and carry, Collingwood don’t run and carry the ball.

“And it goes back to the coach. I’ve heard people say leave Bucks alone, that it’s the players ... well, it’s not.

“He’s the head coach, he’s in charge of it.
“He’s got rid of all the players who wanted to run and carry the ball. He got rid of Heath Shaw. He got rid of Harry O’Brien. Nick Maxwell retired and they never replaced them with players who ran and carried the ball.

“The thing is, Travis has got a coach who’s got a game style which wants to get the ball into the forward line.

“Whereas at Collingwood ... and they’re doing the same with Darcy Moore now.

“They will destroy him because they have a game style which revolves around their midfielders getting high possessions, but don’t get the ball into their forward half.

“Last year, everyone wanted to say it was Travis’ fault, but a forward in today’s football can’t do any good if the side is not getting the ball in properly.”
“But Bucks wanted to change the style of the game and I know they wanted to get rid of Travis as early as Anzac Day last year.”

Cloke Sr described his son as being a scapegoat.

“He sure was.” Cloke Sr said.

Cloke Sr offered statistics to support his argument the Pies midfielders were not elite ball-movers.

And he pointed the finger Pendlebury and Treloar.

Champion Data revealed Treloar and Pendlebury were ranked No.24 and No.32 — which is coincidence — in both metres gained and inside 50 averages since the start of the 2016 season.

Cloke Sr said he had attended both Collingwood games this season.

“I’ve watched them play and they play exactly the same way, chip sideways to a player who’s got to get back over the mark and they don’t get the ball in quickly,” he said.

“When they look good, and when they can win a game, it’s when they get the ball in quick.”

He said his son’s attitude to the game had not changed from Collingwood to the Bulldogs.

“But he’s happy now. He’s getting a game, he’s doing what they wanted him to do, it’s working well and he’s got a coach who has shown confidence in him,” he said.

“They got him, they wanted him to play a role they needed him to play for them.

“All Collingwood has concentrated on is getting a midfield, getting all these players in the midfield.

“What they need to do is get a game plan which tries to win games of football.

“Everyone says have a look at their mighty midfield, but they don’t get the ball into the forward half quickly enough, they don’t get it in directly enough and when they do get it in, they have to go so wide and players are missing shots.

“The mids get it and blast away. They don’t man up, they don’t go defensive. Who runs the ball out of the back half?”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e/news-story/e6f77594aca73ed013e7d8c54367eebc

Have to say I agree with David Cloke on our ball movement.
 
We're going to be back page of the HS tomorrow.

Slobbo interview with David Cloke and some pretty scathing opinions on the club and Buckley apparently.

Should be good for a chuckle.
One thing you do learn in life, there are certain people you meet, strong in their beliefs to the exclusion of all others.
Eg In football, they'd screw you to the last dollar, when extracted, won't say thank you but if they cam, kick you to the side road, and bag you out.

Any similarity to persons living or not is purely coincidental :screamcat:
 
Yes, looking forward to a well balanced and accurate account of how and why Cloke junior left the club, by Cloke senior. Perhaps a dignified and respectful thank you to Collingwood, for the $800k a year we paid his son, to help keep Cloke Incorporated afloat? And a classy thank you to the fans, no hard feelings, and we wish you all the best.

Unlikely.
You mean a certain mr Robinson wouldn't slobber all over such an article....

Hmmm perish the thought.
 
As galling as it is to have to say so, I can't really disagree with Cloke Sr.
 

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As galling as it is to have to say so, I can't really disagree with Cloke Sr.
That fair enough, if you agree with him, just seems a bit odd.
Cloke family paid mega dollars, club held to contract ransom (that's a fair tactic), distractions about it that whole year, apparantly the big Trav got paid mega dollars (if he gets it fair enough too) but then dignity says you say thank you Collingwood.
Further comment can be, "well, Collingwood felt Travis had his time, we agree to disagree and I'm glad Travis can refresh"

That's dignity. But not everyone is classy.
 
That fair enough, if you agree with him, just seems a bit odd.
Cloke family paid mega dollars, club held to contract ransom (that's a fair tactic), distractions about it that whole year, apparantly the big Trav got paid mega dollars (if he gets it fair enough too) but then dignity says you say thank you Collingwood.
Further comment can be, "well, Collingwood felt Travis had his time, we agree to disagree and I'm glad Travis can refresh"

That's dignity. But not everyone is classy.

Cloke Sr being a classless mercenary control freak doesnt negate his ability to see what is happening.
 
Same. I'd prefer not to agree withhim but he's right on this.

It certainly makes me feel vaguely dirty. Time for a shower :(
 
Cloke Sr being a classless mercenary control freak doesnt negate his ability to see what is happening.

He's right about the ball movement but he could be wrong about the game plan. It might just be that our mids are lacking confidence at the moment.
 
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