That was his issue last year with his inability to finish. Really needs to be an elite finisher to make up for the lack of speed/defensive pressure/height.
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Are they running an ad over there for Hungry Jack's starring ROB and the girls?
He's one of those blokes you either luv or hate, like ballentyne.
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I'll be heading down to the Goldy to watch, so they better ...
Thought I read it would be weekend of the 18th Feb.
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I pointed out that your "why wouldn't he go to another level" quote is not a fait accompli. We probably already know where Luko pretty much sits.
What part of this is confusing for you?
If you believe that players who reach the 50 game milestone "feel comfortable and can truly excel", Luko has played 60 - I think my description of him showing himself to be an uncontested metres gained player is pretty accurate. Doesn't make him a bad player - probably not the once-in-a-generation he was touted as - but certainly finding his place at AFL level.
I am very much on the 50 games + gives you a proper look at a player (as I posted). I just think maybe what you wish you could see in Lukosius' first 50 is just a figment of your fervent imagination. Now if you want to talk about a player that broke out after 50 and has a big future based on his actual games ... 64 game Dawson would be a good reference point
I guess the bolded part is what's confusing for me.
And that's because we absolutely don't know where Luko "pretty much sits".
Now its not just me that believes that the 50 game milestone is one where players "feel comfortable and can truly excel". The Sheedy article posted early certainly backs up my claim.
Now you need to use some common sense. This isn't an absolute hard and fast rule to exactly 50 games. Its not like the players 51st game will be at an elite new level. It more talks about how the average of 50 games usually allows for a player to be in the system for 3-4 years. That allows them to get comfortable with the full time AFL lifestyle, the training, the nutrition, the mental aspect in addition to the huge jump playing the game from junior level to senior footy. This is all whilst they try and build an AFL body in the gym.
It is funny that people who say that they have seen enough of Luko are also the ones so happy with what we have in Dawson. A player who had played 41 average games with 6 preseasons in his back pocket makes a giant leap at the tender age of 24 and now has a huge future. But a highly touted 21 year old junior who has played 60 games with 3 preseasons under his belt has shown his ceiling.
But I guess you are correct. Once a player like Luko makes it to 60 games I guess we know where they sit. It's not like there were any players who break out after 60 games and go to another level. I guess we had seen enough of these guys exactly one year ago:
Callum Mills - Pick 3 - 2015. Turned 24 in 2021
2016 - 2020 - Averaged 18 disposals across his first 90 games. Totaled 5 Brownlow votes.
2021 - Averaged 27 touches. 18 Brownlow votes. Top 5 B&F finish. All Australian Squad.
Bailey Fritsch - Pick 31 -2017. Turned 24 in 2021.
2018-2020 - Averaged less than a goal a game over his first 60 games. 5 Brownlow votes.
2021 - Averaged 2.5 goals a game. 3 Brownlow votes. Top 10 B&F Finish. All Australian.
Darcy Parish - Pick 5 - 2015. Turned 24 in 2021.
2016 - 2020: Averages 20 touches a game over his first 92 games. Has a total 2 Brownlow votes.
2021 - Averages 30 touches a game. All Australian. 26 Brownlow votes. 2nd in clubs B&F.
Lets just put a line through 21 year old Luko now. We have seen enough.
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I don't have a subscription, can someone who has the subscription please summarise the article.
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Can't imagine the club would be overly happy with them messing around on motorbikes.
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NEW WING DUO?
With Seedsman on the sidelines, there looks to be a bit of a change as to who fills the Crows wing positions.
When the group split into match sim Lachie Sholl – who started the 2021 season strongly and earned a Rising Star nomination – was on the “weaker” blue side.
For the stronger white side Wayne Milera and Mitch Hinge, both returning from long-term injuries, were on the outside.
Milera also rotated on occasions through the middle in another positive sign as he makes his back from basically two years without footy.
Hinge got game time in Round 1 last season after moving across from Brisbane but dislocated his shoulder three times against Geelong.
Both are looking good chances for Round 1.
In a coaches Q&A with The AdvertiserAdelaide senior coach Matthew Nicks said he had brief conversations with Crows captain Rory Sloane about where he might play in 2022 – hinting that he could spend time at half-forward.
But for the first centre bounce at match sim it was Sloane, Rory Laird, Ben Keays, Harry Schoenberg and Jordan Dawson along with Reilly O’Brien in the Crows midfield.
Dawson playing on the ball is looking likely, with the boom recruit from Sydney continuing to spend time on the ball during Monday’s session.
They were up against Kieran Strachan, Matt Crouch, Sam Berry, Luke Pedlar, Jackson Hately and even Sholl at times in the battle for midfield supremacy.
Crouch should find his way into the Crows’ first-choice midfield soon, while Berry has put on some size and Pedlar cracked into tackles like he usually does.
ROUND 1 BOLTER?
Josh Rachele has been turning heads at West Lakes so far this pre-season.
But with the No.6 draft pick not on the track on Monday it was a fellow draftee who impressed in his small forward role.
No.36 pick Jake Soligo played in the stronger white team and impressed.
With Lachie Murphy still recovering from a bulging disc it was Soligo, Ned McHenry and James Rowe lining up as the small forwards for the stronger side for the second half.
Rachele will still be right in the mix for Round 1 when he returns, but Soligo might give coaches something to think about.
McASEY BACK
Outside of Murphy and Seedsman, there is a pretty clean bill of health for the Crows.
Brodie Smith missed Monday’s session with illness but No.6 pick from the 2019 draft Fischer McAsey took part in match sim.
McAsey was able to join in with drills and the second half of the match sim on Monday.
He was sent straight down back with Billy Frampton for the blues to deal with Riley Thilthorpe and Darcy Fogarty.
Himmelberg had a Hamstring issue and was doing Laps. Thilthorpe looked good and was moving well.
Of course we do. You are talking about where will he sit in the future. I'm talking about what he is NOW.
I'm not sure why you can't see that I COMPLETELY agree with the 50 game milestone.
No it's not a hard and fast rule. It's saying that you usually get a good idea where someone sits around that 50 games. Before that, you are probably being premature in your judgments. You know I have the same conversation (the other way) around Fogarty ... let him get to 50 games and then let's see.
Huh? Dawson didn't go from zero to hero. He showed plenty.
Look at his current Swans bio (still on their site):
Jordan Dawson is looking to build on a breakthrough 2019 campaign, which saw the South Australian play 20 senior games and impact all over the ground on his way to winning the Sydney Swans’ Most Improved award. The 2015 draftee can play as a forward and midfielder but is at his most influential in defence. Dawson’s pinpoint disposal out of the backline, brilliant reading of the play, strong one-on-one defending and tireless work ethic make him a vital member of Sydney’s back six.
You want to compare him to Luko but not really? Ignore his improvement up to his 50th game EVEN though that is exactly what we are preaching above?
Where do I say Luko has shown his ceiling? He has shown us his present level. Maybe he has shown us that it would be a very very big turn around to fulfill his pre-draft hype. The BEST prospect EVER out of SA. Surely even you can see that is not looking probable?
I've never said that either. I'm not saying he won't improve. I'm not saying he is a bad player. You seem to be upset that I called him an uncontested metres gained player - when that is exactly what he has shown himself to be. No-one is putting a line through him.
Where he is at is where he is at. Trying to predict where he is going to end up based on NOTHING but a hunch ... that's just stuff and nonsense.
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Sounds to me like the reporter read your points on here and "reported" it as theirs.
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Seemed very similar, I missed Himmelberg hammy in my reports.
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Or we have very similar accounts from 2 independent sources and can therefore trust that the accounts likely truly reflect the situation.
Something McClure and Carro might consider for the future . . . (#justsaying #apologiesforderailingthread)
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Time for you to throw a couple of B.S reports into the mix. Something like this is sure to be plagiarized and put into the crapitizer.
"Ned McHenry said that ROB's mother wore Army Boots. Rob then sat on Ned and made him hit himself until he said Uncle. It was a fiery session and proves that the affects of the camp still linger down at West Lakes".
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"Rory Laird drilled some nice low passes inside 50"
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That's new!
Those two couldn't lie straight in bed.
Depends on perspective.. The Moon is fairly low compared to the Sun..
True. I believe that 4 of Laird's kicks have hit the moon but, to my knowledge, none have hit the sun. Yet.
