List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Obeanie1]

Don't be that guy

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Rather be that guy than being a fair weather supporter with no intestinal fortitude.

 

[We_The_West]

Yeah, nah. Pick 3 was seen as giving up on the next Chris Judd for an honest trier at best by many around here. I also wasn't supportive of the pick downgrade at the time, but have come around to it after what has now unfolded.

The Mongrel got this spot on, though:



Great call. Bo Allan was rated by most as being a top 10 pick, so this is astute if this was the case.

Sounds like a lot of business done in good faith and through solid working relationships

 

[amazingjoshy]

Yeah, nah. Pick 3 was seen as giving up on the next Chris Judd for an honest trier at best by many around here. I also wasn't supportive of the pick downgrade at the time, but have come around to it after what has now unfolded.

The Mongrel got this spot on, though:



Great call. Bo Allan was rated by most as being a top 10 pick, so this is astute if this was the case.

Something that got missed in all the teeth gnashing is that being easy to deal with vs being completely ruthless does come with some advantages (aswell as the negatives)

No doubt the Tigers helped us get our guy

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Shanahan can definitely play KPD, but he's so promising at a key forward it would be an absolute waste.

Whitlock, definitely has the traits too.

Did Norf choose the other Whitlock because they play forward and defence, while the remaining one mainly just played forward? Or is he simply the lesser twin?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Did Norf choose the other Whitlock because they play forward and defence, while the remaining one mainly just played forward? Or is he simply the lesser twin?

Jack who is left was the higher rated twin, but primarily played fwd.

You could be right, Matt showed more versatility playing well both fwd and back.

 

[Obeanie1]

It wasn't the splitting of pick 3 that was the problem . It was doing it for Liam Baker and giving up pick 14 with nothing going back is peoples issues

The problem was people getting upset over a " half baked cake" and spitting the dummy before the cake was finished.

Now we haven't yet put layers, icing and the cherry on our 2024 draft cake and people are already much happier.

 

[BartBart]

Hutchinson might be being lined up for other roles because he’s actually really suited in the middle. Good ball hunter and tough that lad

Not arguing against either moving position (I'm keen on seeing how both go), just pointing out that they were up until late this season as being in the long list of key forwards.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I doubt we take Whitlock, we just took A Reid last year, fairly similar players and positions.

Mraz, O Farrell, Dennis,Nicholls, Gerryn & Barat are all still on the board in terms of tall defenders or have potential to be tall defenders. Maybe another slide back to consolidate some picks.

Davis will be on our radar too
I would have thought. Kid kicked 4 goals in a WAFL final…..was really good at the state champs.

Maybe one of the midfielders in Boxshall, Zac Johnson, Jack Ough, Isivic or Tom Gross might be in our sights at 43.

Would like us to grab Artemis late too he’s gone under the radar big time. Wouldn’t be surprised if we bid on Lennox Hoffman either.

Dogs will take Moraes at 29 and I suspect gross at 31. They need more mid balance.

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[Dark Sharks]

Pretty sure he bought a 2 million dollar house in Perth at the start of the year, Baker was always leaving

He bought himself a 3x1 in Ballajura?

 

[EagleEgo]

It will be interesting to see at what pick Tom Gross is going today.

 

[flyinghi64]

So basically then Ashcroft was regarded as the 5th best draft pick and Lombard the 9th.
Crap crap crap and gutless.
I understand the 1st pick going to who the club with the first pick can actually draft so they are recognised as the number 1 pick. But when a standout like Ashcroft doesn't get called out for another 4 picks meaning Brisbane get 4x discounts it is annoying.
Same goes for Lombard who probably got called out a few picks later than he would have been if he was open market.

Can pretty much guarantee if we had a FS regarded as a standout best we wouldn't be getting him in the 5th pick.

Anyway, the only annoying thing from the night so not too bad.

 

[eaglevision]

The problem was people getting upset over a " half baked cake" and spitting the dummy before the cake was finished.

Now we haven't yet put layers, icing and the cherry on our 2024 draft cake and people are already much happier.

Categorically I am not happier so that statement certainly doesn't speak for me. Bo was not the right choice IMO and if he wasn't from WA I don't think we'd have picked him. I'm happy we didn't do some ludicrous trade like Norf did with our future picks but in no way are we even close to being in as good of a position as we were when we had pick 3 or even after trading it for 12 and 14, which would have netted 45 anyway.

I'm not going to cast judgement on the entire draft and trade period until its completed but it's going to take something spectacular tonight to be considered even close to successful in my eyes. I'm pleased for those that do consider it a success and that they have been able to take some enjoyment out of it.

 

[WA footy mad]

trading was c**p draft so far O/K

 

[plays tall 1]

Categorically I am not happier so that statement certainly doesn't speak for me. Bo was not the right choice IMO and if he wasn't from WA I don't think we'd have picked him. I'm happy we didn't do some ludicrous trade like Norf did with our future picks but in no way are we even close to being in as good of a position as we were when we had pick 3 or even after trading it for 12 and 14, which would have netted 45 anyway.

I'm not going to cast judgement on the entire draft and trade period until its completed but it's going to take something spectacular tonight to be considered even close to successful in my eyes. I'm pleased for those that do consider it a success and that they have been able to take some enjoyment out of it.

Some posters defend everything the club does, they seem to regard it as their duty as a loyal supporter. They denied there were problems with the running of the club, and the culture, for the greater part of the last 5 years. We know how that played out.

Unsurprisingly these same posters are going the early crow and claiming vindication because we got Bo Allan. Well we missed out on Jagga Smith and Sid Draper et al. Only time will tell who was right.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Baker was at Tigers with a similarly broken list to ours. What difference did he make? Do you think Harley wouldn't see the potential of he and Smith in the midfield?

Yes but at Richmond he was part of a broken list.
At WC he’s coming in on top of a broken list.
You have a very simplistic view of the future!
Do you seriously think a 19yr old HR sits here thinking “ in four yrs time me and Smithy and some other P3-7 are gunna tear sides apart”??
He loves his footy and spending 3 yrs getting reamed will keep him happy??
Mate; your dreamin’.
Building a side is a balancing act and things change so rapidly that yesterdays talents/tactics don’t necessarily apply to tomorrows.
If we are going down the Richmond style then we need fast, tough, rough players who can get the ball forward at all costs. God knows we have the targets up front.

 

[nameless]

if he wasn't from WA I don't think we'd have picked him

But he is from WA, you can choose to ignore that fact to fit your argument, but I think it's very valid to take a local player.

If Reid was from WA I'd assume we would have taken him instead.

We need to be mindful to balance the list with local and interstate talent, with WA talent in a bit of a rut these last few years I think there is greater reason to take local when available without comprising on talent which the recruiters appear to have done well.

We don't shy away from taking Vic players, but when it's a coin toss which it appears to be with Allan v Reid I'm comfortable to go local.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Both Travaglia and Allan spent a load of time this season on the HBF and in the midfield.

Toby played more midfield at Bendigo while at Vic Country he played mainly HBF. There again they had FOS, Langford and Lindsay as their more permanent mids while Lalor and Hynes had the occassional run in the midfield but more as a half forward. In my assessment, Toby will start HBF and will then transition to the midfield. Toby was named on the All Australian U18 team on the HBF. Best case scenario likeness is Will Day.

Bo played mainly HBF in the carnival but also had some decent runs through the midfield. Same with Peel. He played league for Peel in the back half of 2024 and played well He again was mainly hbf but also went through the midfield. He will likely start with the Eagles as a HBF and then hopefully graduate to the midfield. Best case scenario likely is Elliott Yeo.

So for those bitching that Allan is not a true out and out mid, you are right. Same case with Travaglia. But there again Ashcroft, Lombard, Marshall, Smith and Smillie are about the only full time mid only players in the first round. A load of the other mids this draft are hybrid HFF/mid or HBF/mid.

Looking at his attributes

• athleticism
• power in the contest
• burst speed away from stoppage

I can understand why Massey went him given the game plan briefing from Mini.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Some posters defend everything the club does, they seem to regard it as their duty as a loyal supporter. They denied there were problems with the running of the club, and the culture, for the greater part of the last 5 years. We know how that played out.

Unsurprisingly these same posters are going the early crow and claiming vindication because we got Bo Allan. Well we missed out on Jagga Smith and Sid Draper et al. Only time will tell who was right.

There's also plenty who have rightly potted the club the last few years, but didn't see the need to shit the bed after the brand new list managers first ever trade period, and before the draft was even held.

We've almost got a completely new off field crew from those who led us to the disaster of the last couple of years. It might be worth giving them a chance to see how they go before relentless bagging them

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

So basically then Ashcroft was regarded as the 5th best draft pick and Lombard the 9th.
Crap crap crap and gutless.
I understand the 1st pick going to who the club with the first pick can actually draft so they are recognised as the number 1 pick. But when a standout like Ashcroft doesn't get called out for another 4 picks meaning Brisbane get 4x discounts it is annoying.
Same goes for Lombard who probably got called out a few picks later than he would have been if he was open market.

Can pretty much guarantee if we had a FS regarded as a standout best we wouldn't be getting him in the 5th pick.

Anyway, the only annoying thing from the night so not too bad.

Yeah it's absolute BS!!! Lions got away with murder.
Lombard at 9 after last years haul is also BS.

Watch next year all our players get bid on way earlier than they should be.

 

[mat11]

He bought himself a 3x1 in Ballajura?

Clarke, Baker and Graham all get a room to themselves you beauty

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[ghostbat12]

Jesus Christ, people make it sound like we reached for Allan. It’s clear that many, if not nearly all clubs had Allan ahead of Reid and it’s clear clubs in first round go for best available and not need.

Some on here have made about 30 posts saying they aren’t happy about the trade, then pick, then whoever but it’s same thing in a different way. That’s you eaglevision. We get it (sorry. love your other stuff though).

If eagles are of full belief that Hutchinson, Johnson, hall, Reid and hewett are 150 game midfield players, then cupboard isn’t as bare as people think. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at more kids in midfield but let’s calm down.

all will be revealed if we pick a tall with next pick. If so, then we think we have a decent group that doesn’t require us to reach for players. Because we don’t have enough talls….

 

[pantskyle]

Eagles are not trading our second pick, we'll be using it, as are Dogs.
Essendon are going in hard for Shanahan, presuming with Tigers.

 

[flyinghi64]

Something that got missed in all the teeth gnashing is that being easy to deal with vs being completely ruthless does come with some advantages (aswell as the negatives)

No doubt the Tigers helped us get our guy

And when it all goes to plan it helps for any future "deals" that may need to be done.

 

[maverick001]

I think 30 and Hawks F2 for their F1, 37 and 39.

I think our 30 and Hawks F2 for Bombers 37 and F1 is still very favourable to us but works for them too

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Jesus Christ, people make it sound like we reached for Allan. It’s clear that many, if not nearly all clubs had Allan ahead of Reid and it’s clear clubs in first round go for best available and not need.

Some on here have made about 30 posts saying they aren’t happy about the trade, then pick, then whoever but it’s same thing in a different way. That’s you eaglevision. We get it (sorry. love your other stuff though).

If eagles are of full belief that Hutchinson, Johnson, hall, Reid and hewett are 150 game midfield players, then cupboard isn’t as bare as people think. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at more kids in midfield but let’s calm down.

all will be revealed if we pick a tall with next pick. If so, then we think we have a decent group that doesn’t require us to reach for players. Because we don’t have enough talls….

Agreed. Reid lasted to 17. Teams obviously have serious concerns about him.

If you believe that Richmond agreed not to take Allan then there were only 8 live picks (not counting port as the trade was obviously made knowing they weren’t taking him) where he wasn’t taken.