I'm not at all a violent person, but if anyone tried to take away my coms with my son at anytime let alone when gravely ill I think I'd snap.
Oppo Camp The Hawthorn Racism Report
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Keys
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It might be semantics but our issue was not stepping in to save the players from their own self destructive behaviour
In Hawthorn’s case they’ve overstepped the line by interfering in the lives of players and their families.
There’s a difference - we treated our players as adults capable of making their own decisions when perhaps we should have treated them more like children. Hawthorn have done the opposite by treating them like children rather than allowing them to make their own adult decisions
One behaviour is worse than the other, especially when it’s skewed to a minority group
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Clarkson the Godfather figure
I don't want to be a cynic but I do wonder if Clarkos comments about getting a fair hearing was more about him wanting due process to be carried out, which in his mind is the burying or injunction of some critical info
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If the ABC report never came out, the entire process from start to finish would have been confidential, including possible sanctions (if any).
The only thing you and I would know is that Cyril Rioli and his partner's comments last year sparked an external investigation at Hawthorn, and we'd have no idea when it was finished (or abandoned) and of any reforms or consequences (if any). The trauma alleged by the victims would have been swept under the carpet.
Let that sink in.
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It's probably a fair bit of internal bias here but I'm getting a feeling the assistant coach who said "I knew this day would come" is Simmo.
At the end of 2013, he had been in the Hawthorn coaching system for four seasons and perhaps thought he didn't want any further part of what he had seen taking place and in any case, it was time for him to step into a head coaching role. It would also explain a hell of a lot in regards to the way he operates off the field.
At the end of 2013, he had been in the Hawthorn coaching system for four seasons and perhaps thought he didn't want any further part of what he had seen taking place and in any case, it was time for him to step into a head coaching role. It would also explain a hell of a lot in regards to the way he operates off the field.
Would hate to read the above on acid.
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I must admit my sympathy for North Melbourne is at pretty much zero now. I get they're an innocent party in all this yet are going to be the club most affected, but some of them have gone full loco.
Obviously, there are good people in Blue and White as there are with all teams but from my experience per capita, their supporters could take on the worst of them. Funnily enough, I wrote this only two weeks before the story broke, in relation to dealing with various teams supporters when working at the G and Etihad:
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Obviously, there are good people in Blue and White as there are with all teams but from my experience per capita, their supporters could take on the worst of them. Funnily enough, I wrote this only two weeks before the story broke, in relation to dealing with various teams supporters when working at the G and Etihad:
Oppo Camp - Non-Eagles Discussion
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Why are you so certain it happened? Its not a fait accompli
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The name of the assistant coach in the Hawthorn report is blacked out
I’ve spent a fair bit of time trying to work out if the space blacked out is the size expected if the name was Simpson
To me it looks like the name would be a bit longer than Simpson
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Link plz - haven't seen any image of it, just people quoting or other articles quoting it.
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You cannot post it on the main board because you get banned (fair enough), but some of the North victim blaming, media shaming and pseudo-racist posts has matched the drivel from Essendon posters a few years back.
Looks like someone with a g in their name?
Thread on their board is properly screwed up. Caro has stirred them up and they're singing the praises of Rita P
If true, The Age article re: Mitchell and Clarko makes me wonder how Norfs will cope.
Didn’t Norfs players whinge coz Noble was perceived to be too harsh?
Wonder if Norfs have a Coach Plan B?
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Didn’t Norfs players whinge coz Noble was perceived to be too harsh?
Wonder if Norfs have a Coach Plan B?
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They're not going to pick him, Mitch.
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Don’t worry guys, Jeff Kennett is here to smooth everything over.
HoneyBadger35
They're not going to pick him, Mitch.
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This seems like just the guy to really dig into these issues and treat them with the gravity and respect the situation deserves.
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It's weird how people look back on former politicians and bemoan the lack of leadership these days and pine for the days of "statesmen".
They were assholes back then who were just as corrupt, probably even more so than todays lot, given how much more control one could have over the means of communication prior to the internet.
They were assholes back then who were just as corrupt, probably even more so than todays lot, given how much more control one could have over the means of communication prior to the internet.
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So, if the above is true and all players were treated the same way would it not follow that this is not a racism matter?Fresh allegations of controlling behaviour have emerged against former Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson. But this time the accusations relate to non-Indigenous past players and notably the current coach Sam Mitchell.
The details surround Clarkson’s unsympathetic treatment of Mitchell during the 2011 season, the year Mitchell’s wife Lyndall gave birth to twin girls and the family was beset by a number of confronting health problems.
Alastair Clarkson and Sam Mitchell.CREDIT:THE AGE
Clarkson, who has already strenuously denied a number of devastating claims detailed in the cultural safety review commissioned by Hawthorn, is alleged to have:
*Told Mitchell to hand in his mobile phone - along with the rest of the team - on the eve of an interstate game against Sydney during a period in which one of his twin babies was being frequently admitted to hospital.
*Expressed surprise before the twins’ birth that Mitchell was having children so close together (the Mitchell’s son Smith was 11 months old when the twins were born) and wondered at the effect this might have upon his playing career.
*Publicly announced Mitchell was missing a game against Richmond due to personal reasons relating to the twins’ health without the player’s knowledge or consent.
*Ultimately agreed to treat Mitchell with more respect when the pair resolved their differences at the end of the season but again questioned the wisdom of the timing of the twins’ birth.
Mitchell detailed some elements of his fall-out with Clarkson in his autobiography Relentless, which was published after his playing retirement. He stated in the book that he came close to leaving Hawthorn for Collingwood so deep was his disappointment at the way he was treated by the senior coach.
However, more details surrounding Mitchell’s falling out with Clarkson emerged this week with former players and staff suggesting the allegations voiced by four Indigenous families relating to traumatic experiences during their time at the club had caused others to relive some experiences. One wife of a former player said Lyndall Mitchell was admonished by a club official (not Clarkson) for not showing enough emotion after the Hawks’ three-point preliminary final defeat in 2011.
The majority of the former players contacted stressed that Clarkson saw himself as a father figure at the club who, while at times overstepping the mark in interfering in their personal lives, firmly believed he was prioritising the best interests of his footballers.
Several cited the example of Clarkson flying to the US unannounced to meet Lance Franklin at a time he was considering leaving Hawthorn, a move that backfired and disappointed Franklin. One player said Clarkson’s advice to avoid some family and friends had made him a better player.
All the white players contacted said the allegations directed at the club by First Nation families had shocked them and that their own experiences should not be compared to those published in the cultural safety review. The most serious allegation detailed in the Phil Egan review is that Clarkson told an Indigenous player to terminate his partner’s pregnancy, among a series of allegations surrounding bullying players to choose between family and football.
Mitchell, who like Clarkson expressed unwillingness to work together in 2022 as part of a coaching succession plan, refused to comment on the allegations involving him and wife Lyndall when contacted on Friday. The AFL is aware of the Mitchell allegations.
Following complications surrounding the twins’ birth the Mitchells feared for twin Scarlett’s survival for several months. During that time Lyndall Mitchell’s mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s Disease. The family told teammates and friends at the time that Mitchell’s issues with the coach could have proved irreparable if not for the regular intervention of then football boss Mark Evans.
Evans reportedly intervened after the players’ mobile phones were confiscated and returned Mitchell’s so the couple could remain in communication while the football boss’ wife Lynne stayed with Lyndall Mitchell and her young family in Melbourne. He refused to comment when contacted.
Mitchell, who won the Peter Crimmins Medal in 2011 and received 30 Brownlow votes, likened that time to being lost in a thick fog. “I felt I didn’t get a lot of empathy from the powers that be at Hawthorn for what Lyndall and I were going through,” he wrote in Relentless. “I was always a little proud, I guess, and just didn’t complain enough.
“... It was almost a different time back then when new fathers weren’t cut a lot of slack within AFL clubs.”
Clarkson’s manager declined to comment.
Clarkson said in a statement this week: “The further recent publication of purported extracts from the report means I now have grave concerns that any chance of a fair process and a just outcome have been seriously undermined, if not irrevocably corrupted.
“... I have no option but to express publicly, in the strongest and most emphatic terms possible, that I did not behave in the manner claimed.”
Fresh allegations emerge of Alastair Clarkson’s controlling behaviour
The details surround Alastair Clarkson’s treatment of Sam Mitchell during the 2011 season, the year the player’s wife Lyndall gave birth to twin girls and the family was beset by a number of confronting health problems.www.theage.com.au
