lmach
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Kennedy + Masten >>>>>>>>>>> Judd
Delusional Carlton supporters as usual.
Lol and you think we're delusional
Learn how to quote mate.
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The Judd Trade - Are Carlton better off?
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Learn how to quote mate.
carlton's forward line is already awesome and not even yet at full strength. i might even argue that we're better off without a traditional focal point that would only draw attention to a singular player.
a kennedy would to some degree demand the ball like fev did. as it is now, the unpredictability of who the ball will be kicked to is putting opposition defences well off-balance. even eddie is at times out on a lead. walker coming back will be another huge plus.
not having kennedy has its advantages.
as for masten: do not want.
a kennedy would to some degree demand the ball like fev did. as it is now, the unpredictability of who the ball will be kicked to is putting opposition defences well off-balance. even eddie is at times out on a lead. walker coming back will be another huge plus.
not having kennedy has its advantages.
as for masten: do not want.
ESKIE
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Kennedy + Masten >>>>>>>>>>> Judd
Delusional Carlton supporters as usual.
It's so good that we made top 4 before you and knocked you out of the finals! Fun times
Judd and Armfield, he was part of the trade
Who would be better for the Melbourne football club? Judd (and Armfield) or Kennedy (and Masten)?
In my opinion as much as they could use a strong and exciting forward target, they're a club bereft of leaders and an inspirational captain would do more for a young list and their supporters than the former.
Why mention Melbourne? Because Carlton were in the exact same position 5 years ago and this thread smacks of short memories!
In my opinion as much as they could use a strong and exciting forward target, they're a club bereft of leaders and an inspirational captain would do more for a young list and their supporters than the former.
Why mention Melbourne? Because Carlton were in the exact same position 5 years ago and this thread smacks of short memories!
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Well I'm personally pretty happy with the trade. To get someone of Judd's value you had to give up something good and I dare say the Weagles are happy too. Win/win.
Not sure why this topic get's turned into a pissing comp between Carlton supporters and Carlton haters (be it WCE supporters or Carlton trolls).
Both side did EXTREMELY well. Carlton recieved the leadership they required at a time where there was next to none at the club, and the WCE recieved a (potentially) great KPF and some very nice draft picks. It isn't as though Carlton tried to bend the WCE over with any "take #3 and #20 or we get him in the PSD" bs, we traded fairly and both teams are denefitting.
Would having Kennedy make us a better team. Of cause it would. Are we better off after the trade. ABSOLUTELY
Both side did EXTREMELY well. Carlton recieved the leadership they required at a time where there was next to none at the club, and the WCE recieved a (potentially) great KPF and some very nice draft picks. It isn't as though Carlton tried to bend the WCE over with any "take #3 and #20 or we get him in the PSD" bs, we traded fairly and both teams are denefitting.
Would having Kennedy make us a better team. Of cause it would. Are we better off after the trade. ABSOLUTELY
kaiserchief13
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Kennedy and Masten are/will be much better than Judd and Armfield if you only include on-field performances.
Like Carlton supporters say though Judd has leadership skills and professionalism that they didn't have before he came (their opinion) so who knows who is better off right now.
Like Carlton supporters say though Judd has leadership skills and professionalism that they didn't have before he came (their opinion) so who knows who is better off right now.
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I think the poll is a pretty good reflection of the situation - Carlton are probably better off.
I'm already looking forward to the Thursday night game in June - should be massive.
I'm already looking forward to the Thursday night game in June - should be massive.
saying Judd single handidly made your team great is just ridiculous, he's a very good player but serious. His leadership has always been questioned also(eg. walking out on w.c when we had issues that needed dealing with from our captain.) oh and fev, yeah that was handled well ...
I'd say 3 #1 draft pics peaking at the same time would be the reason you guys are doing well, Judd is a bonus.
Everyone else that wasn't part of the Judd trade is now playing career best footy
I'd say 3 #1 draft pics peaking at the same time would be the reason you guys are doing well, Judd is a bonus.
Everyone else that wasn't part of the Judd trade is now playing career best footy
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Carlton are better off, but at the same time West Coast probably are too. Probably already been discussed but this is one mighty thread and I've put uni work off enough as it is lol.
Judd brings/brought more to Calrton than just individual performance.
Genuinely a win-win trade.
Judd brings/brought more to Calrton than just individual performance.
Genuinely a win-win trade.
Blue and Silver
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This trade is what trades are supposed to be. A win/win. Trades are not intended to be a win/lose, but a win/win and this trade is definitely won.
Having Judd as a sweetener as part of the Armfield deal is a bonus!
Having Judd as a sweetener as part of the Armfield deal is a bonus!
Carlton won the trade.
There are only a handful of players that can do what Judd does and he's done it for as long as anyone.
Then again, I won the trade as well, because I get to see Juddy about 17 times a year.
There are only a handful of players that can do what Judd does and he's done it for as long as anyone.
Then again, I won the trade as well, because I get to see Juddy about 17 times a year.
astroboy4800
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t wont be short term, its debatable, with the midfield depth the blues have brought they can continue developing and ease judds career, look at fletcher, rob harvey braddles, these guys were well over 30.
The trade is close but judd wins out as his influence on the players will hold them in good stead for a long time.
astroboy4800
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This I tend to kind of agree with, yes Judd has beena absolute champion and possibly sped the development of the younger guys and Im glad they took him when they did, but to say they would be in a hole or nowhere near the depth they are now is silly.
Kennedy and fev and the midfielders would prob be a year away from where they are now, but their forward line would be the best in the comp and either a midfielder away from a premiership or a year away on development.
But they have the forward line they needed, Hampson, kreuzer and waite havent played a game together in 3 years.
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It always amazes me when people like you volunteers to broadcast to the world that your brain capacity just isn't quite up to average.
Without Judd, we would be atleast 2 years where we are now. Carrazzo, Simpson would be half the player they are now. Murphy and Gibbs would not be to the level they are now.
He instilled professionalism into the entire group. Players like Mitch Robinson are quickly led to the right professional path. Whilst Chris Yarran who was at lazy levels when it came to endurance running when he first came to the club was ordered to give more by the Captain himself.
I have a strong belief that Judd had told the club that he feels the club would go forward without Fev. Unlike what was reported at the time saying things like "it's Fev or Me", that not what Judd is about. I feel that Judd saw the he cannot be handled and the decision was made by the club with Judd's professional input in mind.
How he encourages players, especially when they stuff up on field is like nothing I've seem from other Carlton captains over the year. He always goes up to that player and talks to them.
He is the ultimate professional who has passed this professionalism to the entire squad. He has instilled this to all players from the most senior in Heath Scotland to the first year players.
Galileo9
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people seem to think that clubs arent factoring in risk. its easy to say that kennedy is good. but back then, what did he have? glimpses.
Carlton got a sure thing. therefore they won the trade. they knew 100% what they were getting. we didnt. when you factor in risk, any club would take that any day.
Carlton got a sure thing. therefore they won the trade. they knew 100% what they were getting. we didnt. when you factor in risk, any club would take that any day.
astroboy4800
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Kennedy + Masten >>>>>>>>>>> Judd
Delusional Carlton supporters as usual.
It's so good that we made top 4 before you and knocked you out of the finals! Fun times
The eagles are an awesome team and have great talls quality talls actually.
But beating a carlton team less then a kick, a dubious decision that favoured the eagles all by the way in perth????
Minus waite, kreuzer, thornton, jamieson, gibbs and hampson.
Yes fun times indeed when we cane your r... ends in melb on the big one
Is that the best you can do mate?
astroboy4800
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Waite hampson kreuzer all disagree with you
Betts, garlett, walker and yarran all dangerous deadly goalkickers
Better off without fev, I loved the guy but if he was there would he be selfish as always and deprive the names mentioned of establishing themselves as other options and targets up forward, its why betts, walker flourished the last few seasons as fevs departure gave them the opportunity to shine.
lmach
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The eagles are an awesome team and have great talls quality talls actually.
But beating a carlton team less then a kick, a dubious decision that favoured the eagles all by the way in perth????
Minus waite, kreuzer, thornton, jamieson, gibbs and hampson.
Yes fun times indeed when we cane your r... ends in melb on the big one
It's funny because...We smashed you in Melbourne
Bluelegs
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In terms of us heading towards a flag... absolutely Judd has brought us closer than Kennedy and the other picks would have.
But... that is not writing off Kennedy at all who I think is a superstar and could easily go on to dominate the competition for the next 8-10 years. Eagles have picked up a gun there and comments about him being a 'side of fries', that is just schoolboy trash. He was pick 4 and he was always going to go on to be an absolute gun, there is a reason West Coast insisted on him even when Kennedy made it clear he did not want to leave.
One of the best trades in history (right up with the Shannon Grant, Wayne Schwass trade) in terms of both teams getting exactly what they needed.
We didn't need Judd because he was a gun footballer alone (that certainly helps), we needed him because we had a really great bunch of kids who had never played with anyone nearly as professionaly as Chris Judd. He literally has changed the culture of the entire playing group and that is what Carlton needed.
So yes... we are closer (I believe), because our entire team is better for having Judd.
West Coast are probably closer as well, simply because in Kennedy/Darling/Lynch they that the triple towers that can tear any team up and of those (again imo), Kennedy is easily the best of them.
But... that is not writing off Kennedy at all who I think is a superstar and could easily go on to dominate the competition for the next 8-10 years. Eagles have picked up a gun there and comments about him being a 'side of fries', that is just schoolboy trash. He was pick 4 and he was always going to go on to be an absolute gun, there is a reason West Coast insisted on him even when Kennedy made it clear he did not want to leave.
One of the best trades in history (right up with the Shannon Grant, Wayne Schwass trade) in terms of both teams getting exactly what they needed.
We didn't need Judd because he was a gun footballer alone (that certainly helps), we needed him because we had a really great bunch of kids who had never played with anyone nearly as professionaly as Chris Judd. He literally has changed the culture of the entire playing group and that is what Carlton needed.
So yes... we are closer (I believe), because our entire team is better for having Judd.
West Coast are probably closer as well, simply because in Kennedy/Darling/Lynch they that the triple towers that can tear any team up and of those (again imo), Kennedy is easily the best of them.
juzz88
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You idiot.
Carlton are definitely better off after this trade. I won't bother repeating the reasons that everyone else has mentioned.
In terms of arguing over who is the better off of the two clubs, I think it is a futile arguement. Both teams are doing extremely well and both appear to have improved from the trade. Why can't we just leave it at that?
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