MRP / Trib. The MRP/Tribunal Thread - 2024 Edition

[ep2018]

I reckon the AFL will choose either Harley or Darcy to have their suspension overturned when both challenge this week, to save the embarrassment of the two favourites being ineligible. Hopefully its Harley.

 

[Farang83150]

Doubt it'll be over turned, can defo see a one week reduction though.

 

[The Dodger]

Ahhhh Chrisso. I hear he's applied the potential to injure. It's random when they apply and I feel it adds a week to any determination that they find. Funny enough it doesn't get added to any Brownlow favourite when what they have done it just short of a suspension in their eyes.
Im always a fan of it.

 

[archiemoses]

How can the application be so inconsistent week to week.

Surely it wouldn't be too hard for the legal boffins to invalidate Michael Christians interpretations.

 

[Rowan18]

I do as well, but the point is we shouldn't have to.
It was a straight up 1 weeker.

It wasn't even that. Brushing your head on the ground is not medium impact. The guy impacted through his back.

 

[Rowan18]

There was no contact between Jiath's head and the adelaide player. Should he get a suspension for intent?

Reid's suspension is the same as what Will Day received last year - although Day's was less forceful.

I don't think Jiath should get suspended for intent but neither should Harley. If you then go off outcome, neither have a case to answer, but that's clearly not what the MRP is doing.

They also won't consider precedent, so no point referring to Will Day.

 

[triplegee]

Reid's suspension is the same as what Will Day received last year - although Day's was less forceful.

Reid's tackle was nothing like Day's.

Day had pinned both Close's arms and essentially slammed his head into the turf.

For reference....

 

[Balls In]

The big picture is the AFL stealthily removing tackling from the game like they banned the bump. They have stopped rewarding good tackles and started penalizing the tacklers. Holding the ball is basically dead, if you are tackled players get to just hang onto it through multi revolutions or throw it to a teammate. What a joke.

 

[Barrybran]

The big picture is the AFL stealthily removing tackling from the game like they banned the bump. The AFL has stopped rewarding strong tackles and started throwing the book at anyone tackling too rough. Holding the ball is basically dead, if you are tackled played get to just hang onto it through multi revolutions or throw it to a teammate. . They are introducing a touch footy hybrid.

The AFL aren't removing tackling from the game. They're removing tackling with the potential to significantly injure players from the game. They're not even doing it by stealth either. It does feel a bit 'spin the wheel' as far as how sanctions are applied at the moment but players will adapt.

 

[Balls In]

The AFL aren't removing tackling from the game. They're removing tackling....

Had this conversation 10 years ago when they banned the bump. Back then the scragging Muppet tagging Reid had skin in the game when the likes of Woosha were running around. They definately are replacing "tackling" with something else altogether -see HTB interpretation.

 

[Dylan82]

F**k me.

It was a legitimate tackle and he had no other option - what do they expect in the situation, not attempt to tackle at all?

D.Wilson attempting to step inside contributed to the outcome as it left Reid with only the option of grabbing the shirt to avoid the tackle being broken entirely.

From there it's just a single-motion judo takedown, with Reid putting Wilson onto his back and himself falling on his side to avoid falling on top of him.

Reid could have brought serious harm to Wilson if he wanted to - he could pinned the arms, driven his head directly into the ground at a spearing angle and land on top of him - but he chose to do none of those, he was just trying to stop an opposing player from running past with the ball.


Wilson played out the match and hasn't reported any concussion symptoms. That should rule out any combination of high/moderate impact with high contact.

With that in mind, it's either medium impact/body contact or low impact/high contact, both of which are a fine, not a suspension.


But the league has its own agendas, and they'll meet those ends regardless of sense or logic.


It's pretty clear they've had it in for Reid all week, and now they've got exactly what they were after.


Contest it anyway. As others have mentioned, this now provides the perfect opportunity to show Reid just how much the deck gets stacked against West Coast and that the Vics don't want to see him have any success out west, and that the club is fighting for him all the way and wants him to take the challenge back up to them.


By the way, where's all the talk from the mouthbreathers about "footballing action" now?... Funny that.

 

[Barrybran]

Had this conversation 10 years ago when they banned the bump. Back then the scragging Muppet tagging Reid had skin in the game. They are replacing "tackling" with something else.

Ah yes, the good old days. When men were men and winning football games meant putting your opponent out of action for a month.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Ah yes, the good old days. When men were men and winning football games meant putting your opponent out of action for a month.

The game is so far removed from that now. What we are talking about now is how to play the same sport but penalise accidents.
This will get worse and worse as players grow up nit expecting contact anymore. Limp rag dolls will get hurt.
The guy Harley tackled never even put an arm out to protect himself in the tackle, it was like tackling a 5 year old girl.

 

[Lazzas]

Two weeks is over the top, I can see one marginally. Two weeks is taking the pi##

 

[Sammy J]

2 weeks is waaay overs. 1 is borderline.

Bloke isn’t even injured?!

 

[Barrybran]

The game is so far removed from that now. What we are talking about now is how to play the same sport but penalise accidents.
This will get worse and worse as players grow up nit expecting contact anymore. Limp rag dolls will get hurt.
The guy Harley tackled never even put an arm out to protect himself in the tackle, it was like tackling a 5 year old girl.

What it will actually do is to redefine tackling technique to the point that kids entering the system in 5-10 years' time can execute a tackle effectively without an opponent's head winding up in the ground, no matter the severity. FWIW, I think two weeks for Reid is a joke but I knew it was a week the moment I saw it. Harley could have executed that tackle better and the onus is now on him to do so. But we'll see kids come into the system being able to handle those situations far more naturally and effectively than current day players because they'll grow up with it.

 

[Bender_]

I reckon the AFL will choose either Harley or Darcy to have their suspension overturned when both challenge this week, to save the embarrassment of the two favourites being ineligible. Hopefully its Harley.

Hopefully Harley gets his case heard first, am I rite?!?!

 

[squashface]

What I don’t understand with this absolute lotto of a MRO system is what is the point of it?

What does suspending Reid for 2 weeks do here? Is it supposed to be a deterrent? Because I’m not sure in the split second of that happening would anyone in the future be able to do anything differently.

I’ve got an idea. Maybe stop suspending genuine accidents when someone’s head hits the ground in a tackle and start suspending blokes who swing a fist or elbow at someone’s jaw - no matter the result.

Reid didn’t pin the arms and he didn’t drive his head into the ground which seems to be their criteria for suspension.

Hopefully in the challenge, David Grace poses the question: “What was his alternative?” because I would say his only alternative is not tackling which is just batshit crazy.

Gee this league is becoming close to unwatchable these days.

#jettawhatsthepoint

 

[Astro7]

Bit of a 'Lets Clean Up Harley's Game" day?
Don't forget the umpire backchat...

Harley was also fined for careless contact of an umpire in 2nd quarter which was $3125 with early plea $1875
Then a 2nd offence of careless contact of an umpire in 4th quarter resulting in same $$$ fine..

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hmm take on the high impact - he played out the game - has he gone into concussion protocols?

Get it down to one.

Will be interesting.

This is the whole reason for 2 weeks .

If we argue it down to medium it will be 1 week .

If they graded it as medium their is a chance of us arguing it down to zero weeks .

To be fair I think it is worth 1 week suspension. Its a judo / jujitsu throw not a tackle complete with a grab to the 'belt' .

Harley literally flips him over his hip whilst grabbing the ' belt '.

Unfortunately the parts of Reid's game that make him different are also not traditional football manoeuvres

He need to learn that hip throws and late hits are going to get him in trouble

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Doubt it'll be over turned, can defo see a one week reduction though.

Unfortunately both deserve suspensions .
Darcy was reckless whilst reid was the perfect example of what they are trying to cut out of the game .

Unfortunately who ever wins the rising star will be known as the Bradbury rising star

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Yeah I'm pretty surprised people are saying he should get off.

Slung the player, head hit the ground. Whether or not Wilson protected himself is irrelevant. The onus is on the tackler.

Having said that, 2 is harsh. It'll end up at 1, which is what it deserves in the current climate.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What it will actually do is to redefine tackling technique to the point that kids entering the system in 5-10 years' time can execute a tackle effectively without an opponent's head winding up in the ground, no matter the severity. FWIW, I think two weeks for Reid is a joke but I knew it was a week the moment I saw it. Harley could have executed that tackle better and the onus is now on him to do so. But we'll see kids come into the system being able to handle those situations far more naturally and effectively than current day players because they'll grow up with it.

I am much more concerned players growing up not expecting contact. We are already seeing it now players are limp being tackled, they have no idea how to protect themselves.
I have no doubt the game will eventually become like touch contact only.

 

[BeornJ]

Unfortunately who ever wins the rising star will be known as the Bradbury rising star

In a show of solidarity the rest of the eligible players all do sling tackles in the next round.

They then look directly at a camera and proclaim 'I stand with Reid!'

 

[Lazzas]

Yeah I'm pretty surprised people are saying he should get off.

Slung the player, head hit the ground. Whether or not Wilson protected himself is irrelevant. The onus is on the tackler.

Having said that, 2 is harsh. It'll end up at 1, which is what it deserves in the current climate.

Exactly always going to be rubbed out, for two weeks though? No that's typical VIC bias , really means 3 as West Coast cops the buy. At least it will improve the draft hand, thankyou VFL.