The OFFICIAL 2012 Draft thread: Picks 15, 38, 42, 48, 58, 63

[jezaroo]

If Adelaide get their early picks taken from them, and you take out the Father son selections we will effectively have picks 14, 35, 39, 45, 53 & 58 in this years draft.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

??????

 

[Event Horizon]

History suggests that we will be extremely lucky if we draft a quality midfielder at pick 15.

Does it? What is the major difference these days between a HBF/HFF and a genuine midfielder, except ability to run out a game in midfield, which can come after 2-3 seasons?

Atley, Harper, McKenzie (on potential), Swallow were all taken after pick 15, and I wouldn't mind more of the same.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

I do not abide by the supercoach definition of the term.

My definition of a midfielder is someone that plays in congestion and can consistently win the clearances/contested ball.

Atley - Freak selection
Harper - He'll be about as much of a midfielder as Shannon Grant
McKenzie -No real inside capability
Swallow- See Atley

 

[Atleyafterburners]

I do not abide by the supercoach definition of the term.

My definition of a midfielder is someone that plays in congestion and can consistently win the clearances/contested ball.

Atley - Freak selection
Harper - He'll be about as much of a midfielder as Shannon Grant
McKenzie -No real inside capability
Swallow- See Atley

What about Levi Greenwood?

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

What about Levi Greenwood?

He's in the Swallow category of midfielders that are deemed to have a deficiency that allows them to slip past the first batch of midfield selections.

I want us to go after one of these types in this draft (unless the amazing occurs again and another Atley presents itself).

 

[Event Horizon]

Do we really need too many more "ball winners" in this year's draft though? With Gysberts on board, we have Ziebell, Cunnington, Swallow, Wells, Atley, Greenwood, Gysberts and Adams who can all win their own ball and play in the middle. Our deficiencies in line breakers and outside run are well documented, so personally, I wouldn't mind a couple more Shannon Grants at the moment, ahead of a couple of Simmo/Stevo types.

 

[Tas]

The majority of BF posters could run a better beep test than him.

I don't think I would make the first beep.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I don't think I would make the first beep.

You can crawl the first two levels Tas.

 

[Only Forwards]

He's in the Swallow category of midfielders that are deemed to have a deficiency that allows them to slip past the first batch of midfield selections.

I want us to go after one of these types in this draft (unless the amazing occurs again and another Atley presents itself).

I reckon that there is a chance a a slider this year for sure.

Hopefully Tippett can enter the draft, I would think that regardless of what price he puts on his head he ain't gonna slide beyond the top 10 which has the direct flow on of displacing a kid that potentially would have gone before us.

I reckon that Brisbane, GC, Bulldogs, and GWS would all likely take a decent look at him.

GWS clearly have the picks to get him, probably the cash too. Could be argued that they are set for a KPF but the ones that they have are kids.

Hopefully the above happens and displaces Stringer.

 

[Event Horizon]

I reckon that there is a chance a a slider this year for sure.

Hopefully Tippett can enter the draft, I would think that regardless of what price he puts on his head he ain't gonna slide beyond the top 10 which has the direct flow on of displacing a kid that potentially would have gone before us.

I reckon that Brisbane, GC, Bulldogs, and GWS would all likely take a decent look at him.

GWS clearly have the picks to get him, probably the cash too. Could be argued that they are set for a KPF but the ones that they have are kids.

Hopefully the above happens and displaces Stringer.

He is obviously trying to bypass the draft and go straight into PSD, which won't help us.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Do we really need too many more "ball winners" in this year's draft though?

Does. Not. Compute.

 

[GarnerSmash]

As long as the ball winners are capable of rotating through half forward/half back or forward pocket and can do so to good effect then the more the merrier I reckon.

 

[Event Horizon]

Well, any player should be able to win their own ball. But if we are talking about the balance between inside and outside players, it's a no brainer where we need to improve IMO.

 

[roo beleaver]

Surely they will just take the kid they rate the most, whatever type he his is irrelevant.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Well, any player should be able to win their own ball. But if we are talking about the balance between inside and outside players, it's a no brainer where we need to improve IMO.

Again, try to keep in mind that we are utilising pick 15.

The top shelf line breaking mids tend to go before pick 15.

I would rather take an elite grunt over a 2nd string outside mid.

 

[Passmore]

Surely they will just take the kid they rate the most, whatever type he his is irrelevant.

Indeed. The trend with our blokes has been to take the best available and not get too "clever".

Other teams will take speculatives with early choices and we will sit back and take the best kid available who will envariably be a slider.

 

[LeFtBehinD]

Surely they will just take the kid they rate the most, whatever type he his is irrelevant.

Has to be to an extent though.. You dont want to turn into Carlton and just recruit the best available player (which is always a mid fielder) at the sacrifice of having any players to fill an area of need (Key Position).

 

[roo beleaver]

Has to be to an extent though.. You dont want to turn into Carlton and just recruit the best available player (which is always a mid fielder) at the sacrifice of having any players to fill an area of need (Key Position).

Totaly agree mate, but I reckon we are in pretty good shape all over the ground. We have good kp stock and plenty of mids. For me, this is our first draft in years where we can go into it totally open with our options. Probably with an eye on a "project" ruckman with a later pick.

 

[roo beleaver]

Indeed. The trend with our blokes has been to take the best available and not get too "clever".

Other teams will take speculatives with early choices and we will sit back and take the best kid available who will envariably be a slider.

If they are as good this year as what they have been in the last few drafts we are going to be in very good shape

 

[roos_fanatic08]

we will get one of kennedy, stringer or garlett. All pure footballers who can win their own football, and finish well on the outside.

I personally think the top 10 will consist of: Grundy, Whitfield, Toumpas, Wines, O'rourke, Macrae, Plowman, Vlastuin, Daniher and Mayes.

You also have the likes of Stringer, Menzel, Jaksch who could possibly go in the top 10.

 

[roo beleaver]

we will get one of kennedy, stringer or garlett. All pure footballers who can win their own football, and finish well on the outside.

I personally think the top 10 will consist of: Grundy, Whitfield, Toumpas, Wines, O'rourke, Macrae, Plowman, Vlastuin, Daniher and Mayes.

You also have the likes of Stringer, Menzel, Jaksch who could possibly go in the top 10.

Awesome.

 

[Passmore]

Has to be to an extent though.. You dont want to turn into Carlton and just recruit the best available player (which is always a mid fielder) at the sacrifice of having any players to fill an area of need (Key Position).

With your early pick(s) you just have to take the best player available. If you start reaching for position specific players you are increasing you're chances of getting it wrong.

The only time we would go for a need with a first rounder is if we couldn't split two players on ability.

 

[Passmore]

we will get one of kennedy, stringer or garlett. All pure footballers who can win their own football, and finish well on the outside.

I personally think the top 10 will consist of: Grundy, Whitfield, Toumpas, Wines, O'rourke, Macrae, Plowman, Vlastuin, Daniher and Mayes.

You also have the likes of Stringer, Menzel, Jaksch who could possibly go in the top 10.

If they are the likely top 10, you can bank on one of them slipping.

Stringer concerns me with his injury. If it's true that his gait has altered since the busted leg, that can only lead to problems in the future. We've seen it with Smith and I've seen it with less publicised cases. Too big a risk for mine, although no doubt Saunders and co will be all over it.

Kennedy's size is a turn off. I know Boomer is a midget, but guns this small are no few and far between.

Menzel's knees have to be a concern.

Garlett has the highlights reel, but what about his attitude? If it gets the tick, he'd be top ten you'd think?

 

[GarnerSmash]

If they are the likely top 10, you can bank on one of them slipping.

Stringer concerns me with his injury. If it's true that his gait has altered since the busted leg, that can only lead to problems in the future. We've seen it with Smith and I've seen it with less publicised cases. Too big a risk for mine, although no doubt Saunders and co will be all over it.

Kennedy's size is a turn off. I know Boomer is a midget, but guns this small are no few and far between.

Menzel's knees have to be a concern.

Garlett has the highlights reel, but what about his attitude? If it gets the tick, he'd be top ten you'd think?

I'd be concerned with Stringer too but if there at 15, bloody hell, it'd be tempting to take the risk. Him in our midfield would be insane. The JWS comparison is a touch off, given JWS' issues were cartilage related (having none in his ankle that is) which then screwed up everything else. Stringers gait has improved I believe although I think it is fair to say he will likely never be 100% after a break like that. Although him at 95% is probably better than the vast majority of his contemporaries.

Wines, Vlastuin and O' Rourke would be good gets too so hopefully one of those four fall through. All inside, hard ball winners but also good users and smart footballers. Let's hope Richmond pull another Conca out of the hat.