The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[Pugz89]

Genuine question because I can't recall - has Harris' campaign differed to Biden in 2020 in this regard? Is she more/less focused on Trump than he was (particularly given Trump was the incumbent at the time compared to someone who's been out of office for 4 years today)?

No.

 

[Foxman98]

Genuine question because I can't recall - has Harris' campaign differed to Biden in 2020 in this regard? Is she more/less focused on Trump than he was (particularly given Trump was the incumbent at the time compared to someone who's been out of office for 4 years today)?

It's probably more Trump focused then Bidens was as he would actually discuss policy as well hence he won.

 

[Foxman98]

But at the end of the day, Americans will only end up with one or other of Harris or Trump. I agree Harris is lacking as a good candidate. But the bottom line for Americans is a choice of:

• don't vote
• vote Harris
• vote Trump
• vote third party candidate (with zero chance of victory, and effectively serves as a default vote for a main candidate)

Whichever option they choose, the only possible winners remain Harris or Trump.*

* unless protests/riots (which appear inevitable regardless of winner or margin IMO) and any associated violence escalate to something larger. Then, there is no winner. But the major loser is the American populace. And potentially any other nations closely linked to that populace...

Only 5 days until we at least see an indication of how this plays out.

A lot will go with option 1 and this is the issue the Democrats have at the moment,

The we are shit but he is shitter approach doesn't exactly make you want to go out and vote for them,

Trumpamaniacs as the Hulkster has named them grow the more you attack him impeachments/criminal trials/assassination attempts hence the best way to defeat him is to ignore him don't get into a left vs right he is Hitler war put up good policies and you'll win easy

 

[King Harold]

It's a spot on assessment,

The more you attack him the stronger he grows Americans are stupid,

Ignore him and he will just throw out continual word vomit and look like an idiot to anyone who isn't a staunch Republican

Trying to understand all this theory?

So when he says:
The immigrants are eating pets in Springfield —- don’t mention it
Little Johnny just came home from school with a sex change ——- don’t mention it

I could fill the page, but you get my drift.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Third party voting is the only way meaningful change can happen in the future.
I wish more of us would do it here.

I think we're way ahead of the U.S., but agree it is still far too low here. It is the way to break the historic duopoly, and also (hopefully!) a catalyst to force the historic parties to differentiate themselves more from each other, or continue as often two sides of the same coin on most policies, when the electorate is crying out for change.

 

[King Harold]

Kamala is dreadful yes,

How did she do in the primaries in 2020?

Have you watched her in any recent interview? She gets the questions beforehand and still fumbles around the answers and resorts to bringing up Trump in everything as well as not stating her policies and instead telling everyone to go to her website to find them, We saw how well the "do your own research" line went for the voice vote here where voting is mandatory.

There is little to nothing about her that shows she can lead the free world and again if it was anyone other then Trump on the other side any sane person would agree she is absolutely woeful.

I don’t think dreadful, certainly not amazing.
But Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ?

I personally would have gone with a white male this election just to be sure to defeat Trump and hopefully put some breaks on Trumpism. ( although I fear it is too late for 40% of the US population)

Not totally convinced they are ready to elect a black woman ?
Having said that , I think she will still win.
She is not Trump and that has to be a massive advantage.

 

[Pugz89]

Just as an aside, I did find this interesting. No way do I think Trump will come close to winning the popular vote, but a CNN analyst things it is a chance.

Donald Trump "could make history" and break 20-year record—Election analyst

The former president "could make history" by winning the popular vote in this year's election, CNN's Harry Enten said Friday.

www.newsweek.com

 

[_Cerberus_]

This thread will be dead in a couple of weeks anyway. Election in a week, then a week of post election talk. Then no one will give a toss for another four years.

 

[King Harold]

In 2020, Biden basically ran on 'not being Trump' and won the election. Now that people have seen the alternative, I don't think that is enough to win an election. There needs to be strong policies conveyed to the public. All the events i've seen from Harris is simply "I was a prosecutor, I grew up in the middle class, and Trump is terrible."
I could be wrong, but I think Americans also want to hear what Harris can do for them with her policies, not just what she did pre-politics, her home situation or how bad her opponent is.

Maybe this helps.

What are Harris and Trump's policies?

Economy, immigration, abortion and other top issues - here is where the two candidates stand.

www.bbc.com

 

[Pugz89]

Maybe this helps.

What are Harris and Trump's policies?

Economy, immigration, abortion and other top issues - here is where the two candidates stand.

www.bbc.com

Sure, but I thought the point of rallies was to outline your policies. I've not heard her do that at any of hers that i've seen. And tbh, if someone is running for the highest office in the land, they should be on the front foot and conveying them any chance they can get.

 

[geoffjennings79]

This thread will be dead in a couple of weeks anyway. Election in a week, then a week of post election talk. Then no one will give a toss for another four years.

I really hope that's the case.

 

[Foxman98]

Sure, but I thought the point of rallies was to outline your policies. I've not heard her do that at any of hers that i've seen. And tbh, if someone is running for the highest office in the land, they should be on the front foot and conveying them any chance they can get.

I am the same all I keep hearing is they're on her website,

Don is also leader of a cult so like it or not doesn't have too and people will still vote for him

 

[TMoney22]

You just can't help yourself it seems. Final warning for you.

Mate the stuff that has been thrown at posters trying to balance this out over a long period of time has never been criticised and it only is now. Unbelievable. I remember one someone saying they would smack any trump supports in the face if they had a BF meet up. Best you lock it down in the best interests of all. Some people just have to keep going back and forth.

And a note I don't hold thoughts in this thread against anyone when discussing footy in other threads. I wouldnt even remember. I hope all others do so as well. Love.

 

[Foxman98]

I don’t think dreadful, certainly not amazing.
But Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ?

I personally would have gone with a white male this election just to be sure to defeat Trump and hopefully put some breaks on Trumpism. ( although I fear it is too late for 40% of the US population)

Not totally convinced they are ready to elect a black woman ?
Having said that , I think she will still win.
She is not Trump and that has to be a massive advantage.

Her being a black woman is irrelevant just like Hillary in 2016 she is a terrible candidate and they're too focused on gender over quality

 

[Foxman98]

Trying to understand all this theory?

So when he says:
The immigrants are eating pets in Springfield —- don’t mention it
Little Johnny just came home from school with a sex change ——- don’t mention it

I could fill the page, but you get my drift.

Yes correct,

Then it stays inside his cult and Fox news and goes nowhere

 

[TMoney22]

And I mostly can't stand Trump as a human. He is a narcisistic fool, but as per usual, the myopic view is just on him. I think RFK Jr and Tulsi are fantastic and the fact they are on his transition team is very encouraging.

RFK is what the world needs. Hopefully more appear in each country. The shit that is in our foods and clothes causes so much pain in the world. I don't understand how people don't realise this and make it a priority. What he stands for benefits everyone. Really need to change the rate of cancers and he can lead it.

Peeps here are so short sighted. It's much bigger than Harris/Trump or Dem/Rep

 

[King Harold]

Sure, but I thought the point of rallies was to outline your policies. I've not heard her do that at any of hers that i've seen. And tbh, if someone is running for the highest office in the land, they should be on the front foot and conveying them any chance they can get.

No not really ,they are nonsensical ra ra feasts ,
Have you not watched any of them, of either side ?
I assume you are not telling me Trump lays out detailed policy at these rallies ?

 

[King Harold]

RFK is what the world needs. Hopefully more appear in each country. The shit that is in our foods and clothes causes so much pain in the world. I don't understand how people don't realise this and make it a priority. What he stands for benefits everyone. Really need to change the rate of cancers and he can lead it

Spot on mate , I refuse to buy Cotton On crap

 

[King Harold]

Her being a black woman is irrelevant just like Hillary in 2016 she is a terrible candidate and they're too focused on gender over quality

In the US her being black and a women is very relevant.
We are going to have to disagree on that one.

 

[Foxman98]

In the US her being black and a women is very relevant.
We are going to have to disagree on that one.

It will make some impact sure but it won’t be the reason she wins or loses same as being a woman wasn’t the reason Hillary lost.

They tried to run a dementia ridden Biden initially again for a reason

 

[Bulldog1954]

I assume you are not telling me Trump lays out detailed policy at these rallies ?

I think most of them are about the size of Arnold Palmer's penis.

 

[Pugz89]

No not really ,they are nonsensical ra ra feasts ,
Have you not watched any of them, of either side ?
I assume you are not telling me Trump lays out detailed policy at these rallies ?

Of course he does. It's why he spouted the shit about eating dogs, he ties that into immigration and how his policies would limit it. Love him or hate him, Trump discusses his policies far more than the Dems. Remember "Build the wall" in 2016? Also, he was the one to propose no tax on tips, which Kamala has since copied.

 

[King Harold]

It will make some impact sure but it won’t be the reason she wins or loses same as being a woman wasn’t the reason Hillary lost.

They tried to run a dementia ridden Biden initially again for a reason

It will make some impact sure but it won’t be the reason she wins or loses same as being a woman wasn’t the reason Hillary lost.

They tried to run a dementia ridden Biden initially again for a reaso

It will make some impact sure but it won’t be the reason she wins or loses same as being a woman wasn’t the reason Hillary lost.

They tried to run a dementia ridden Biden initially again for a reason

How do you know Clinton didn’t lose because she was a woman ?
It was a pretty narrow loss.
I don’t know either , but knowing quite a few Americans well , my guess it had some effect.
Funny though, not sure she was hugely popular with woman

 

[King Harold]

Of course he does. It's why he spouted the shit about eating dogs, he ties that into immigration and how his policies would limit it. Love him or hate him, Trump discusses his policies far more than the Dems. Remember "Build the wall" in 2016? Also, he was the one to propose no tax on tips, which Kamala has since copied.

Ok mate , I am just going to have to listen harder

 

[BrisDog]

The issue is Kamala is a dreadful candidate who is being advised by morons,

Trump is very easy to beat if you have half a brain ignore him/his supporters and let him tear himself apart with his narcissistic tendencies and vulgar views on women/immigrants or anyone he views as lesser then him (hint its everyone).

As a genuine no horse in the race because I genuinely hate all side of politics nowadays I wonder what the staunch democrat supports would be saying about Kamala if it wasn't Trump on the other side.

I would vote for Harris over trump for the following reasons and anyone not far right would vote for any person over Trump:

1. US would maintain continued support of Ukraine, an issue I am passionate about.
2. The Supreme Court need to remain balanced. Trump would get 2 more nut cases on.
3. I like women. I believe they should decide if they wish to carry a pregnancy or not.
4. 20% tariffs equal extreme inflation and recession for the US and the rest of us.

Note I haven’t mentioned I don’t like his criminal or moral past.