The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[TiAn_]

Reading a stat today, USA have roughly 60 million people living below the poverty line, disgraceful for a country which has so much wealth , both political parties need to do better

Agree wholeheartedly on the first point, but it’s not a “very fine people on both sides” thing. Right wing policies that remove support for people in poverty and outlaw homelessness are harmful and in those US states it’s effectively “go somewhere else that will take you”. Part of the reason why you might have observed what you did and imo far from an endorsement for those red state policies.

 

[Mutt]

I don’t usually. Was just interested to know as he posts like my 17yr old nephew.

Lives with his parents and gorges on Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan and right wing MAGA types on socials.

Enough Charlie - refrain from commenting negatively about others who post on here.

 

[Dogs 13]

What’s the chances of Trump curing cancer ?
F - me
When he comes up with a single good idea let me know ?

Would injecting bleach work ?
Would be interesting to check that out

 

[King Harold]

Would injecting bleach work ?
Would be interesting to check that out

Could be !
Surely there is a MAGA moron out there willing to take one for the team ,
——— or maybe not !

 

[Next Waiting]

People are an asset in Trump world.

Not an asset that has to be maintained because they are replaceable ... easily replaceable...as there is an aspiring American Dreamer around every corner just waiting the opportunity to sell their souls to become a have as opposed to the alternative.

There's some discussion today around Trump's likelihood of pursuing those who opposed him.

I'm not sure it will take that form .. initially. Isolation and exclusion over persecution to start with.....tending to suppression as the next midterms approach.

 

[King Harold]

John Bolton:
Trump’s meeting with Theresa May , 18 months into his first term.
“ oh , you have Nuclear weapons “

Also during his 1st term , asked Bolton if Finland was run by the Russians ?

My hope is he spends most of his time cheating at one of his golf courses.

 

[Royale]

Free Speech

 

[Royale]

War on the Cartels

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Worth a read.

Social thinking has always been influenced by big tech. But now some of that big tech is unhinged and has a hand in running the most powerful and unhinged government in the world.

Scary times for most. Probably not for the garbage brainwashed by the chaos.

A new era dawns. America’s tech bros now strut their stuff in the corridors of power | Carole Cadwalladr

The era that began with the Great Disruptor’s first term is over. Beware the emerging elite

www.theguardian.com

 

[Royale]

Interesting when the tech bros they mention such as Bezos, Zuckerberg and you could add Bill Gates were firmly entrenched on the more liberal side of politics.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Anyone wanting to know who is empowered by a Trump world, look no further than that clown Ralph Babets recent twitter postings.

An Australian senator. It’s F***ing horrendous.

This is the side of history the Trump fanatics are on. How none of you can even see that that’s what you advocate when cheering Trump on is quite astonishing.

Do you not have kids? Daughters, sisters, wives?

What happens when your daughters grow up and find out you cheered this guy on? Convicted of rape. Caught admitting on tape he likes to sexually assault women.

“Yeah honey, but his policies were good. You understand yeah?”

 

[Pugz89]

Anyone wanting to know who is empowered by a Trump world, look no further than that clown Ralph Babets recent twitter postings.

An Australian senator. It’s F***ing horrendous.

This is the side of history the Trump fanatics are on. How none of you can even see that that’s what you advocate when cheering Trump on is quite astonishing.

Do you not have kids? Daughters, sisters, wives?

What happens when your daughters grow up and find out you cheered this guy on? Convicted of rape. Caught admitting on tape he likes to sexual assault women.

“Yeah honey, but his policies were good. You understand yeah?”

If we are going to be pedantic, Trump has never actually been convicted of rape. He was found liable of rape in a civil case, but has never been tried in a criminal case, therefore has never been convicted.

 

[Pugz89]

And let me guess… It was AI that admitted to sexually assaulting beauty pageant contestants?

How do you justify cheering on a sexual predator? Or do you not and you’re just content with being that sort of person?

No. Just because I call you out on one thing, doesn't mean everything you wrote is incorrect.

As I've said multiple times in this thread, I'd vote for policy over person.
But you've proven you can't really debate with any substance in this thread. You just LOL react everything.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

No. Just because I call you out on one thing, doesn't mean everything you wrote is incorrect.

As I've said multiple times in this thread, I'd vote for policy over person.
But you've proven you can't really debate with any substance in this thread. You just LOL react everything.

You vote for someone who sexually assaults women if his policies are better than the alternative. Right.

 

[King Harold]

You vote for someone who sexually assaults women if his policies are better than the alternative. Right.

Charlie , we just have to accept in 2024 what people regard as acceptable moral behaviour is a lot different than it used to be.
I’m near the end, so I find it sad for the generations behind me.
I fear Trump has made this the new norm, and there will be no going back from here.
Make no mistake, Australia will follow one way or another.
I assume the Trump fans here are all cool with that ?

Some of the excuses trotted out on his behalf makes my head hurt.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Charlie , we just have to accept in 2024 what people regard as acceptable moral behaviour is a lot different than it used to be.
I’m near the end, so I find it sad for the generations behind me.
I fear Trump has made this the new norm, and there will be no going back from here.
Make no mistake, Australia will follow one way or another.
I assume the Trump fans here are all cool with that ?

Some of the excuses trotted out on his behalf makes my head hurt.

Unfortunately it’s already becoming the norm for many here. You only need to see the public postings of people across SM platforms.

Babet the perfect example.

Does it become as prevalent as it is in the US? I have my doubts. We seem to be more decent across the board than the general US population.

I can’t imagine any period in Aus politics where a proper Trump figure would find themselves in such a powerful position. They’d at best find themselves a minor player in a One Nation type party. Much like Babet.

 

[yebach]

Charlie , we just have to accept in 2024 what people regard as acceptable moral behaviour is a lot different than it used to be.
I’m near the end, so I find it sad for the generations behind me.
I fear Trump has made this the new norm, and there will be no going back from here.
Make no mistake, Australia will follow one way or another.
I assume the Trump fans here are all cool with that ?

Some of the excuses trotted out on his behalf makes my head hurt.

It's already happened here Harold. Our former Prime Minister, a father of 2 girls needed his wife to explain to him what was so appalling about the Britney Higgins situation.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Absolutely disgusting. The crazies will always be crazy, but the conservative movement isn't driven by those kinds of people. They are the fringe and should absolutely be called out. They are horrible people and taint the impression many have of the conservative movement. Just yuck.

You're kidding yourself if you think that the fringe hasn't completely consumed what most would consider to be an old timey conservative movement. Anybody who believes in traditional conservative values has been purged from the Republican Party. Its now a freak show of obsequious toadies who understand that the only way to get aboard the gravy train is to jettison everything that they once believed, in service of an unstable narcissistic sociopath who will kick them to the curb if he deigns their fealty isn't strong enough or he needs a scapegoat.

If we are going to be pedantic, Trump has never actually been convicted of rape. He was found liable of rape in a civil case, but has never been tried in a criminal case, therefore has never been convicted.

If we are going to be pedantic. Lets be really pedantic and look at the reasons why.

The reason that he was adjudged to be guilty of sexual assault and not expressly of rape. Is due to a law specific to New York that defines rape as needing the perpetrators penis to enter the victims vagina. This is a very difficult thing to prove in front a jury. In the Trump case the jury was instructed that he could only be found guilty of rape if the act included such a penetration. He could not be found guilty of rape if the act 'only' penetrated the victims vagina or annus with his fingers. Something that Judge Kaplan acknowledged would meet the threshold of rape in "other contexts" and jurisdictions that dont specifically require proof of penile penetration.

The same judge also found the allegation that Trump had r*ped (his words) E Jean Carroll to be substantially true. When he dismissed Trumps bogus defamation case after the initial verdict that he was liable for sexual abuse.

If the Trump case was held in the state of Victoria or just about any other jurisdiction he would be considered a Rapist.

What a world we live in where people have to split hairs over the definition of sexual abuse adjudged to have happened to a woman at the hands of the world most powerful man.

If any politician who aligned with my world view did 1/10th of the things that Trump has done. I'd want him or her loaded into a rocket and fired into the ****ing sun. I certainly wouldn't be giving that person a pass because it returned my side to power or I liked their policies. I have zero interest in joining a political cult or bending over for its leader.

But Im weird like that.

Trump is a rapist.

As I've said multiple times in this thread, I'd vote for policy over person.

I really enjoyed my time driving on the autobahn.

Those Germans are really efficient at moving large groups of people around.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Free Speech

I find it so funny when people seem to think Trump is some beacon of free speech.

He clearly doesn't believe in freedom of the press. He has called journalists the enemy of the people and made threats of prison and removing the licenses of broadcasters whose coverage of his campaign he didn't like.

He has also said anyone who burns the flag should go to jail for a year. “I wanna get a law passed […] You burn an American flag, you go to jail for one year. Gotta do it — you gotta do it,” Trump said. They say, ‘Sir, that’s unconstitutional.’ We’ll make it constitutional.”

 

[King Harold]

As I said Norm , it makes my head hurt .
The rape defence both made me laugh and cry.

It’s impossible to have a conversation if what’s reality is not the same for both parties.

We just put forward a case of a flawed character with all the receipts and they come up with
An ah “ found liable for rape in a civil case” not a criminal case.
Is it supposed to be a defence ? Certainly not an issue for them ?
even got a “ like” from one of the other Trump fans.

F—- if I know what’s not acceptable for some ? Nothing apparently.

 

[Next Waiting]

Free Speech

I'm a little less inclined to swallow this an impassioned advocacy for free speech.

Given his propensity for projection, I suspect that those who have or will disagree with him will be labelled/classified censors or peddlars of misinformation and subject to emergency powers or suppression in the form of licence revocation.

Iceberg ..... tip

Observers of history might recognise the playbook. Regrettably, history isn't really in vogue at the moment.

 

[King Harold]

Free Speech

Give me a f —- spell , this from the party banning books, and wanting to control women and their health along with all sorts of authoritarian policies.
This idiot has no idea what he is talking about. Stephen Goebbels wrote this nonsense for him to read.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

As I said Norm , it makes my head hurt .
The rape defence both made me laugh and cry.

It’s impossible to have a conversation if what’s reality is not the same for both parties.

We just put forward a case of a flawed character with all the receipts and they come up with
An ah “ found liable for rape in a civil case” not a criminal case.
Is it supposed to be a defence ? Certainly not an issue for them ?
even got a “ like” from one of the other Trump fans.

F—- if I know what’s not acceptable for some ? Nothing apparently.

Im not dumb enough to believe that Im having a conversation with any Trump supporter.

Im just here spitting facts like Trump being by any definition that you could choose was/is adjudged to be guilty of sexual assault (or rape) by a jury of his peers. It matters not if it happened in a civil or criminal court. In New York or Texas.

It happened.

People can choose for themselves whether or not they are ok with that person being the so called leader of the free world, from the shining city on a hill as president.

All I know is that Im not.

As I say. Im weird like that.

 

[Royale]

I think the main issue for most on the left in this forum is that you can't see that though Trump is flawed, he's a damn sight better than the leftist, race based dei identity politics that has infected the left. So whilst for a lot of you it's never Trump, for me it's never identity politics. Never DEI.


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[Charlie Bucket]

I think the main issue for most on the left in this forum is that you can't see that though Trump is flawed, he's a damn sight better than the leftist, race based dei identity politics that has infected the left. So whilst for a lot of you it's never Trump, for me it's never identity politics. Never DEI.


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So being a potential DEI hire (she’s not) is more of an issue than someone being a rapist who’s also sexually assaulted numerous other women?