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That means little coming from you. You need knightmare and other hacks to set you straight.
Why were Talia and Darling home runs after other clubs overlooked them?
There must be clear home runs at the draft that are obvious picks to the fans.
I guess you believe Yarran and Kennedy were poor picks. Easy to criticise. Players are out of their hands after they pick them.
Ratten might have asked for a KPP like everyone wants this year.
Rogers has been with Carlton since the 2008 draft.
Interesting to look at the 2010 ladder as at r22, prior to the 'compromised' drafts with GCS and GWS concessions. Safe to say that the drop from St Kilda, Bulldogs and Carlton has been the main contribution to the change / upwards movement of clubs below them at the time. The one bolter has been Port Adelaide, and then after dropping lower in 2011 and 2012.
The compromised drafts has seen the relative strengths of most clubs remain unchanged, apart from Sydney, but that is another story. Port's recruiting in the last two years has been excellent and is reflected in their success; pity we couldn't have been half as good over the last four.
1 Collingwood
2 Geelong
3 St Kilda
4 Wstn Bulldogs
5 Sydney
6 Fremantle
7 Hawthorn
8 Carlton
9 Nth Melbourne
10Port Adelaide
11Adelaide
12Melbourne
13Brisbane
14Essendon
15Richmond
16West Coast
The compromised drafts has seen the relative strengths of most clubs remain unchanged, apart from Sydney, but that is another story. Port's recruiting in the last two years has been excellent and is reflected in their success; pity we couldn't have been half as good over the last four.
1 Collingwood
2 Geelong
3 St Kilda
4 Wstn Bulldogs
5 Sydney
6 Fremantle
7 Hawthorn
8 Carlton
9 Nth Melbourne
10Port Adelaide
11Adelaide
12Melbourne
13Brisbane
14Essendon
15Richmond
16West Coast
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Port's success is not due to the last 2 years of drafting. It's probably closer to the last 6 or 7. Lobbe, Wingard, Hartlett, Boak, trading for Schulz, Jonas, Trengrove, Broadbent, Pittard etc.
Only players from the last two drafts are Wines, Impey & Monfries & White.
Feel free to keep your head in the sand Macca !!
you don't get it, we have to, we don't have the talls in reserve to just get rid of Waite, it would be a bad idea to go into next season short on talls. Due to our list structure I don't see us having a choice. Scotland was replaceable.
have you seen the structure of our list? Or we could just play without talls.
We are going to get the same result whether we have them or not !!
Posting an updated version of this, not to stir the pot, but to point out that there is a problem in regards to drafting and development somewhere, or several somewheres, in our system.
I'm not saying that other teams pick a winner every time, or even half the time. What the teams in the top eight have over us is 4-6 more players in their starting 22 from early round draft picks over the past decade. These guys are anchors on the field: they're consistent, and they're good, and they lift the rookie picks and VFL standard guys around them. When they're missing, as they are with us, then too much pressure gets applied to the little guys and they get found out.
We have to find out where we're going wrong.
2004: Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell
2005: Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards
2006: Gibbs, Hampson, Grigg, Austin
2007: Kruezer, Judd, Browne, Armfield
2008: Yarran, Warnock, Robinson
2009: Henderson, McLean, Lucas, Davies
2010: Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell
2011: Bootsma, Rowe, Buckley
2012 onwards: too early to tell
Bold = match winners.
Yarran doesn't win matches regularly off his own boot and Kreuzer is crueled by injury. Buckley looks the goods for now.
Green = borderline foot soldiers, one-dimensional, would struggle to get a game in a lot of teams' starting 22s. Rowe's off the chopping block for now, great coaching from Mick to rescue a guy I thought was finished.
Blue = going.
Red = gone.
I'm not saying that other teams pick a winner every time, or even half the time. What the teams in the top eight have over us is 4-6 more players in their starting 22 from early round draft picks over the past decade. These guys are anchors on the field: they're consistent, and they're good, and they lift the rookie picks and VFL standard guys around them. When they're missing, as they are with us, then too much pressure gets applied to the little guys and they get found out.
We have to find out where we're going wrong.
2004: Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell
2005: Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards
2006: Gibbs, Hampson, Grigg, Austin
2007: Kruezer, Judd, Browne, Armfield
2008: Yarran, Warnock, Robinson
2009: Henderson, McLean, Lucas, Davies
2010: Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell
2011: Bootsma, Rowe, Buckley
2012 onwards: too early to tell
Bold = match winners.
Yarran doesn't win matches regularly off his own boot and Kreuzer is crueled by injury. Buckley looks the goods for now.
Green = borderline foot soldiers, one-dimensional, would struggle to get a game in a lot of teams' starting 22s. Rowe's off the chopping block for now, great coaching from Mick to rescue a guy I thought was finished.
Blue = going.
Red = gone.
Excellent overview Ronnie.
The key point you make their is that the "better" clubs tend to nail their early picks more often than we do which not only gives them access to the better skilled players, but it means that they have one less to find each time they do it.
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Am I comforted by the fact Freo's drafting was formerly the template for much hilarity in the footy world? Hardly. Cop them now but.
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Interesting.
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Regardless of his awful season I can't have Hendo as a match-winner just yet. Even your other three need a benevolent eye to qualify.
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Yes, so we decided to pinch their man Hughes to try and replicate their template.
Hughes was their Victorian recruiter and not there RM. That bloke has alot to answer for IMO.
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Was Carrazzo recently re-signed for next year?
Is Barker still our forward line coach? I'd be inclined to move him on as well.
Watching Waite (and Casboult) lead early and taking marks / shots for goal almost on the boundary is laughable. Is this a forward coached strategy or a stupid player leading too early and to the wrong spot? Go down the other end and Patton holds his place in the goal square, leads late and near straight up the ground, then marks 35-50 out. Patton doesn't get sucked in to go to the ball too early. Little experience by comparison but a lot smarter.
We have all year had the worst coached set up in the forward line. Rarely do we get a forward leading up the middle, or darting back to the middle for a mark. Once Waite, Casboult or Garlett leads in a direction toward the boundary they never switch back. Surely they've practiced to lead one direction and switch 90 degrees to the other? This basic stuff is done at Amateurs level. Menzel is the only player leading to good position and giving himself a better kick at goal. The remainder of our forwards work has me shaking my head almost weekly.
No wonder Hawthorn got rid of Barker a few years back.
Watching Waite (and Casboult) lead early and taking marks / shots for goal almost on the boundary is laughable. Is this a forward coached strategy or a stupid player leading too early and to the wrong spot? Go down the other end and Patton holds his place in the goal square, leads late and near straight up the ground, then marks 35-50 out. Patton doesn't get sucked in to go to the ball too early. Little experience by comparison but a lot smarter.
We have all year had the worst coached set up in the forward line. Rarely do we get a forward leading up the middle, or darting back to the middle for a mark. Once Waite, Casboult or Garlett leads in a direction toward the boundary they never switch back. Surely they've practiced to lead one direction and switch 90 degrees to the other? This basic stuff is done at Amateurs level. Menzel is the only player leading to good position and giving himself a better kick at goal. The remainder of our forwards work has me shaking my head almost weekly.
No wonder Hawthorn got rid of Barker a few years back.
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No. He re-signed March 2013 for 2014 & 2015.
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Barker isn't out forward coach.
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barker is Backline coach, he and Green (forward coach) should be both moved on....have seen no improvment in any place they've been.
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We could have Balki Bartokomous at full forward and it wouldn't matter if our midfield was bolstered with more outside talent.
We haven't had potential access to top 5 talent since we drafted Kruz. We have a hell of a choice ahead of us. Do we target a 2/1 type deal like Melb did or do we hold the picks take what comes and see if we can snag a second round pick with a trade or 2.
Personally, if Gibbs signs we have the following untradable players: Gibbs, murph, Hendo, yarran, menz
Watson, Lucas, Robbo, army types arnt going to net us anything. Jeff will be looked at by other clubs but has done us no favours when he plays seniors.
It's time for some hard calls to be made.
Personally, if Gibbs signs we have the following untradable players: Gibbs, murph, Hendo, yarran, menz
Watson, Lucas, Robbo, army types arnt going to net us anything. Jeff will be looked at by other clubs but has done us no favours when he plays seniors.
It's time for some hard calls to be made.
Yes but I prefer the team hold their structure and develop learning to play the game the right way and not play a team full of holes, players out of position and young players copping tags etc. Taking the broom to all the older players for the sake of it does a lot of damage, we've all seen that, we've all seen how it worked out for Melbourne. I don't want us playing to lose, that doesn't work either.
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