List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

[AssassinAndy]

What if had originally went to Hawthorn and asked for Gunston, what's it going to take, and they said Treloar?

2-3 years ago would do that deal, but at 29 would have to give up to much for a guy who has maybe 3-4 years left.

 

[manicpie]

Don't go Gunton. Hit the draft so the next coach begins with a youthful list he can develop into a winning game plan.

Even if we go to the draft bucks will still be the coach going forward because Ed will say that Buckley deserves first go at a rebuild

 

[unplugged]

2-3 years ago would do that deal, but at 29 would have to give up to much for a guy who has maybe 3-4 years left.

Depends which way you look at it.

Gunston is no more than 1.5 years older than Treloar, for one. He'd be more valuable to our forward line than what Treloar is to our midfield.

He has valuable experience and would be a better leader than Treloar.

And he'd probably earn less per year.

 

[HFF]

What if had originally went to Hawthorn and asked for Gunston, what's it going to take, and they said Treloar?

How does that then solve our cap problem?

 

[Scribe26]

So Buckley keeps stating. He doesn't want big guys but more the agile, mobile forwards.

Yet Cox still gets a game??????

It's almost as if you answered your own question.

 

[loki04]

Reckon it's going to be something like..

Dunkley to Dons
Treloar to Dogs + our 3rd Rounder
Pick 7 to Pies

Why are we adding to it? (the extra 3rd rounder?)

 

[Prochard123]

How does that then solve our cap problem?

Gunston is on like 500k lol

 

[unplugged]

How does that then solve our cap problem?

Maybe Ned Guy knows exactly what his former client was signed for... and knows it's affordable.

I know we're all hating on Ned Guy but who knows really.

 

[Moore of the Same]

Gunston is on like 500k lol

Maybe he is right now, at the Hawks. You think he wants to come and play for a new club at less coin than he's currently on? What's the incentive?

 

[HFF]

Gunston is on like 500k lol

He isnt coming here on the same amount of money...
Not to mention that we still would need to pay for Treloar's contract or a portion...so how does this solve our problem?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

There’s a huge difference between dumping good players because your cap is maxed out, and trading players to make cap room for a targeted player.
Plenty of water to go under the bridge yet.

 

[Piestration]

If Grundy has another bad year he has to be on the table next year.

Then we'll be contributing towards 2 contracts for players that aren't playing for us. 3 if you count Beams

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He isnt coming here on the same amount of money...
Not to mention that we still would need to pay for Treloar's contract or a portion...so how does this solve our problem?

How do you know what the problem is?

Maybe the problem is not the salary cap ... it’s the forward line!!!

 

[jackcass]

That’s fine but for that money you shouldn’t have poor years like we’ve seen.

I'm not sure where this "poor" year myth comes from. Grundy had a good year, it was just down on the standards he set himself in 2018 and 2019, but he was still arguably in the discussion for 3rd ruck in the AA squad.

Brodie Grundy and Nicholas Naitanui AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Nicholas Naitanui AFL Stats Comparison.

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Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn AFL Stats Comparison.

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Brodie Grundy and Todd Goldstein AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Todd Goldstein AFL Stats Comparison.

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Witts the other likely one in that discussion.

 

[HFF]

How do you know what the problem is?

Maybe the problem is not the salary cap ... it’s the forward line!!!

LOL the problems are everywhere.
Inflated wages
The coach.
The game plan.
The forward line etc etc etc

 

[jackcass]

I think Phillips is the Clinton Young

Clinton Young

Age

38

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.4

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

Without the pace.... or the kicking skills.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

LOL the problems are everywhere.
Inflated wages
The coach.
The game plan.
The forward line etc etc etc

If we land Gunston then the salary cap problems were exaggerated.

If we don’t land Gunston and replace Treloar and Phillips with draft picks then we will know for sure we were in a world of cap pain.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Hard pass on Gunston, guy is a star but clearly we have some issues to solve and need to hit the draft.

The idea of heading into next year with the same fwd line is vomit inducing though, so it does make you want Gunston!

Need to trust the head not the heart on this one

 

[DWil6]

Why are we adding to it? (the extra 3rd rounder?)

Agreed. Pick 7 is a bargain for Treloar. He’s going to be amazing at any club he ends up at.

 

[Fruit]

Howe back will be huge, as well. We haven't seen Bianco and Rantall as yet, and only a sneak peak at Kelly and Keane. Hopefully Sier can get serious and fit, and more opportunities given to Murphy next year.

I forgot Howe. Even better

 

[HFF]

If we land Gunston then the salary cap problems were exaggerated.

If we don’t land Gunston and replace Treloar and Phillips with draft picks then we will know for sure we were in a world of cap pain.

We need the draft picks through too....
We need more quality young players----we have neglected this for the best part of the entire decade.

 

[DaVe86]

How does that then solve our cap problem?

What if we don't have that big of a cap problem afterall....and this is all just about freeing up room to get in a required player? There hasn't been anything from the club to say we have salary cap trouble....and we just re-signed De Goey, Moore, Daicos and Mihocek for healthy deals.

OK, Gunston isn't necessarily a key forward...but he is still a 40-50 goal a year full forward.

Let's just see how it plays out.

 

[Ugene41]

If it ends up being Treloar swapped out for Gunston then you could argue that we've traded into an area of need and giving midfield opportunities to players like JDG, Sier, Rantall etc. Age difference probably marginal.

Would be filthy if we end up letting go Stephenson and get Gunston instead though. Stephenson is just as dangerous as Gunston in the forwardline and has 10 years of service on him.

 

[10571z]

I'm not sure where this "poor" year myth comes from. Grundy had a good year, it was just down on the standards he set himself in 2018 and 2019, but he was still arguably in the discussion for 3rd ruck in the AA squad.

Brodie Grundy and Nicholas Naitanui AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Nicholas Naitanui AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Brodie Grundy and Todd Goldstein AFL Stats Comparison

Brodie Grundy and Todd Goldstein AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Witts the other likely one in that discussion.

Grundy didn’t have a million dollar year. If you want that money you need to perform.

 

[jsdsgn]

Treloar for Gunston isnt great but might be the best we could get.
Only 18 months age difference and Gunston doesnt have the injury worries Treloar does, and fills an area of better need.