Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[4Seasons]

Freo might be just the stupidest list management team in the AFL if the move on Lobb for Jackson.

Making their forward line worse is the last thing they need to do. They going to camp Darcy inside forward 50 for half the game just so that Jackson gets a run in his preferred position. Insane.

They should be withdrawing from having any piece of that trade as early as tonight.

If Freo pull out of the Jackson trade, Lobb is still going to want to leave.

 

[ScragCity]

You realise that one-on-one stat is literally just the total number of one-on-one contests. Percentage-wise Young loses more one-on-one contests than Gardner...

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It's quite funny that the AFL provide a stat for total 1-on-1s and then assigns a qualitative ranking to that number (more = good, fewer = bad). In reality the win/loss percentage is the relevant part. There's no coach in the game who would want to see more 1-on-1s in their D50.

 

[ScragCity]

There's no chance in hell that Power would offer Jones a 3-year deal btw. That is some idiotic reporting. One year with triggers for a second will be the offer.

 

[LittleG]

There's no chance in hell that Power would offer Jones a 3-year deal btw. That is some idiotic reporting. One year with triggers for a second will be the offer.

It has triggers for a third year too. No point in missing out on Jones, without adding triggers and incentives that extend the deal.
I was never a huge fan BUT I do welcome Liam back to the club. It’s not often in the AFL that a player comes back to the club they left.

 

[DognBones]

There's no chance in hell that Power would offer Jones a 3-year deal btw. That is some idiotic reporting. One year with triggers for a second will be the offer.

Certainly hope so. 3 years is way beyond what's required.

 

[Sid Nullis]

Lobb was ordinary last night, Logue not much better. No doubt both would make our team better but at what price?.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Lobb was ordinary last night

Didn't see much of the game but he was clearly robbed a mark close to goals. Was chopped out by a Dees player after he'd taken the grab.

 

[Claudonious]

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Maybe not incredible, but noteworthy, nonetheless.

Nice propaganda


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[AJARWA]

Could very easily Dunks winning a brownlow at another club. It’d be hard to stomach.


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There's some serious over rating of Dunkley on this board. His kicking under pressure is some of the worst in the league. And hasn't improved much in six years. West in two years has him covered.

 

[ScragCity]

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Maybe not incredible, but noteworthy, nonetheless.

Big deal. Ryan Gardner averages 97.4%

 

[footscray1973]

Certainly hope so. 3 years is way beyond what's required.

2 years with trigger onfield

3 years off field for his "this or that" team mate interviews!

 

[ScragCity]

Ryan Gardner

43

Ryan Gardner

Age

27

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.8

3star

MG

45.0

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

45.0

1star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

MG

45.0

1star

is a far superior player to Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

. He even has a better (lower) contested 1-on-1 loss percentage than Young, which is supposedly a weakness of his.

 

[doggy_dog]

It's quite funny that the AFL provide a stat for total 1-on-1s and then assigns a qualitative ranking to that number (more = good, fewer = bad). In reality the win/loss percentage is the relevant part. There's no coach in the game who would want to see more 1-on-1s in their D50.

The graphic also makes it look like they’re displaying it as more losses = better

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Lobb was ordinary last night, Logue not much better. No doubt both would make our team better but at what price?.

Come on, if we were judging based on one game we could pick out 5+ from this season alone where Bontempelli isn't worth selling the farm for.

Lobb has been by far the top second ruck in the league this season and Logue as a young player has played important structural roles at both ends of the ground. They're good players that fill needs. Not saying I would pay any cost for them, but it's disingenuous to pick out one game (against the best team in the comp playing strong footy) as a reason for hesitancy.

 

[adogsfan5]

Lobb was ordinary last night, Logue not much better. No doubt both would make our team better but at what price?.

Madness that Logue is playing fwd. such a Bevo type move

 

[Dogsman16]

If Freo pull out of the Jackson trade, Lobb is still going to want to leave.

Thats true. But Lobb is still contracted.

Hypothetically if Freo withdraw from the Jackson trade, they would gain back the power at the trade table for any dealings with Lobb.

 

[doggies ftw]

Madness that Logue is playing fwd. such a Bevo type move

Yep, if Freo don’t have room for Logue in their defence they should ship him out to the highest bidder tbh

 

[Sid Nullis]

Come on, if we were judging based on one game we could pick out 5+ from this season alone where Bontempelli isn't worth selling the farm for.

Lobb has been by far the top second ruck in the league this season and Logue as a young player has played important structural roles at both ends of the ground. They're good players that fill needs. Not saying I would pay any cost for them, but it's disingenuous to pick out one game (against the best team in the comp playing strong footy) as a reason for hesitancy.

Only said they were ordinary last night. They both would absolutely fill a need for us but especially Logue down back. I’m just wondering what the price would be ?

 

[mattwa]

Lobb with his sticky hands at marvel most weeks will be a good get. Do we desperately need him - no. But we would be lying if he wouldn't be a good option down the line or in the square rotating with naughty for the long kicks

 

[Dogs Rule]

When it comes to Dunkley and his value, I can't get a particular shot at goal by him last year. He was about 30 out directly in front and kicked it out on the full. Elite players don't do that.

 

[Chalky White]

When it comes to Dunkley and his value, I can't get a particular shot at goal by him last year. He was about 30 out directly in front and kicked it out on the full. Elite players don't do that.

I guess his value is that he can lay 4 tackles in about 10 seconds. Take contested grabs, play as a true utility, bob up and kick goals from clearance, create clearance, work both ends of the park. He is a centre square contested ball beast.
His disposal by foot can be a little untidy but by hand it is elite.
I can't think of any club where he wouldn't step into the midfield other than maybe Melbourne

 

[jdz101]

I guess his value is that he can lay 4 tackles in about 10 seconds. Take contested grabs, play as a true utility, bob up and kick goals from clearance, create clearance, work both ends of the park. He is a centre square contested ball beast.
His disposal by foot can be a little untidy but by hand it is elite.
I can't think of any club where he wouldn't step into the midfield other than maybe Melbourne

Exactly.. the body of work is still elite even though the kicking is rubbish.

 

[Libba39]

Massive, massive game from Rory last night...

 

[adogsfan5]

Massive, massive game from Rory last night...

Freos fwd line is a mess in fairness. Looked very similar to ours in parts of the season last night. Shit delivery, and out quicker than it came in.

 

[TiAn_]

Ryan Gardner is a far superior player to Lewis Young. He even has a better (lower) contested 1-on-1 loss percentage than Young, which is supposedly a weakness of his.

I think far superior is a real stretch. You could make an argument each way that one is slightly better than the other (e.g. Young is still a better mark and arguably judge of when to mark or spoil).

Between Rds 11-16, Young was their full back in a defence where there was only one other “tall” and that alternated between Plowman, Marchbank, Durdin and Kemp. Of the games I saw, he did pretty well in most of them, but not all of them, as essentially the only key defender. Similar to how I’d expect Gardner to fare.