Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Angak]

This is a really important 3days coming up for the club and its near term future.

• Lobb deal looks more unlikely than likely
• What is happening with Hunter ?
• Do we end up getting 2 firsts for Dunkley ?

 

[Mr. Walker]

Not for me. We need better users and he’s a terrible kick.

I didn’t see Phillips play this year ( did he play against us?) but if ther is talk he is available I assume he had a down year. Stephenson had a quiet year for the Roos too. So looks like we got the pick of the unwanted Pies trio !!!!! Sam Power wins again.

 

[Mr. Walker]

We've made the commitment a long way out, and he's contracted.

I assume it is something no one here can answer but does anyone know the general wording of these commitments?
Is it as vague as “ we will try and get you here” or a more general “ we will get you here if a suitable deal can be done” or a promise “ we will get you here whatever it takes”?
I agree that a commitment must be kept but one person’s commitment is another person’s thought bubble.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Sorry, bit of a rant …

We approached Lobb with the background context that he’d been told by Freo they would be prepared to trade him back east. We still offered a fair rather than predatory price but Freo have said they want overs because he’s (a) under contract and (b) crucial to their structures. That’s all fine but then why even bother telling the player you’ll facilitate their move. 99% of players in the league are trade-able if getting overs is a condition.

Perhaps we also thought Freo would kindly remember us not being campaigners when Hamling wanted to head home to WA and we gave them a 23 year-old in-form premiership fullback for pick #35 (who performed very well until injury).

People saying we’re being hypocritical between the Brisbane and Freo trades miss these points. Yes we all have tinted glasses on but based on precedent (what else is there) we are offering fair prices and demanding fair prices … and then being told we’re hypocritical because we won’t accept unders and pay overs.

Yes and Brisbane might remember we reluctantly traded Marcus Adams to them for pick 32 plus a third, when he had two years of a contract with us still. This is after we drafted him with pick 35. If they want deals like this again in the future good will is important.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Yes and Brisbane might remember we reluctantly traded Marcus Adams to them for pick 32 plus a third, when he had two years of a contract with us still. This is after we drafted him with pick 35. If they want deals like this again in the future good will is important.

Is good will important? It certainly doesn’t seem to be helping us right now with two teams we have traded fairly with when it was our players leaving.

Maybe we should just do a Dodo and try screw other clubs over a barrel every year.

 

[weltschmerz]

Is good will important? It certainly doesn’t seem to be helping us right now with two teams we have traded fairly with when it was our players leaving.

Maybe we should just do a Dodo and try screw other clubs over a barrel every year.

We should go hard for big trades. We don't do that much.

 

[dogwatch]

I don't think the Lobb deal will get done. We think 30 is a fair price, while Freo probably think something closer to 20 is a fair price. I just don't see how we close that chasm from 30 to 20. Sadly, I think it's just a bridge too far, and both clubs should go our separate ways.

I’m wondering if the unexpectedly rapid rise of Sam Darcy (along with good signs from JUH and a likely return of Bruce to full fitness) has cooled our enthusiasm for a player like Lobb. This probably wasn’t in our reckoning if we did indeed make a secret commitment to Lobb 6 months ago.

If so we can still withdraw honourably by saying we offered a perfectly fair price but Fremantle were quite unreasonable and inflexible.

If Darcy wasn’t such a precocious talent we might have been much keener to find a pick in the low to mid-20s for Lobb.

 

[Doggy]

I’m wondering if the unexpectedly rapid rise of Sam Darcy (along with good signs from JUH and a likely return of Bruce to full fitness) has cooled our enthusiasm for a player like Lobb. If so we can withdraw honourably by saying we offered a perfectly fair price but Fremantle were quite unreasonable and inflexible.

If Darcy wasn’t such a precocious talent we might have been much keener to find a pick in the low to mid-20s for Lobb.

Expecting too much of Darcy too soon is not a great plan. He's also played mostly in defence so far..

We will get Lobb

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Freo playing the smart game - until Jackson is confirmed they will hold off on Lobb and Meek. Darcy and Lobb with a young Jye Amiss is pretty decent (I think Lobb is overrated but still a good player). Taberner/Treacy replacing Lobb is a big step down and causes Darcy to have to get tired like English. They want to get the best deal but can’t agree now anyway.

 

[dogwatch]

Expecting too much of Darcy too soon is not a great plan. He's also played mostly in defence so far..

We will get Lobb

I suspect we will too. Every year in trade week we see these situations across the league and people are biting their nails thinking it won’t happen but I reckon 90% of them get done (Dunkley to Essendon a notable exception).

Darcy will be fine whatever happens and anyway we have other talls who can fill the Lobb role even if they aren’t Bevo’s first choice. For instance the de-listing of Schache might be dependent on the Lobb deal going through. I don’t think we’d get that much more benefit from Lobb over Schache especially in relation to the possible cost to us of an early second.

Schache just needs proper management & development. I’m not saying he’d be better than Lobb but so far Bevo hasn’t done him any favours. If given a fair chance his output could be close enough to what we need.

 

[Rookie]

I think both deals get done now.

Brisbane can afford to up their offer, maybe F1 + F2 + 21 with not much, if anything, going back.

We will probably test Freo's resolve and see if 30 does the trick, otherwise I suspect we'll give up 21 with a pick upgrade coming back in our favour. Perhaps a F2 for an F3.

I think we technically "lose" both trades, but who cares? We will be left with enough value to move up the order if we so wish, or pursue a good player in 2023.

Would have loved to get Bergman or Lohmann, but at least we bring in the players we targeted and navigate our way out of two difficult situations.

Flynn might be a good option if GWS land Soldo, or Tom Phillips

21

Tom Phillips

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

as a DFA if we trade out Hunter.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Get onboard the Schache KPF / 2nd Ruck train … running random weekends in March and April, disappearing for 7-8 weeks, returning for 3 weeks in July and then going away forever again.

Note: I actually like Schache. He’s no star but he was a better 2nd tall to partner with Naughton than Cordy or Buku at times.

Worst case scenario - we overpay for Lobb and Schache goes for nothing. Then Schache performs just as good as Lobb in the same role elsewhere

 

[dergert]

Again the media hyped up this year's trade period as the biggest one in history.

It's been as boring as all the other ones.

 

[Pocket Terrace]

This is a really important 3days coming up for the club and its near term future.

• Lobb deal looks more unlikely than likely
• What is happening with Hunter ?
• Do we end up getting 2 firsts for Dunkley ?

I don’t think it’s all that significant to be honest.

Lobb - hopefully but not too fussed
Hunter - no idea
Dunkley - hopefully delisted soon

 

[Philthy1]

Again the media hyped up this year's trade period as the biggest one in history.

It's been as boring as all the other ones.

Having the media and a percentage of fans foaming at the mouth is how the AFL keeps itself in the headlines during the off-season. This thread and trade radio proves the point.

 

[Dogman 1]

Young Cowen from tas would be a good pick up as well. Plays back/mid.

 

[DognBones]

There's always a chance another Melbourne club could trump our bid for Lobb. If his priority is moving to Melbourne , he may be persuaded, or decide himself, to go with another team. Not that this should concern us too much.

 

[Southern 8]

Unfortunately AFL trades don’t work this way but the simple solution would be Dunkley gets to QLD and plays for the Suns. Bowes gets his cash and helps replace Dunks as a mature mid/defender option and Dogs get pick 7.

 

[adogsfan5]

There's always a chance another Melbourne club could trump our bid for Lobb. If his priority is moving to Melbourne , he may be persuaded, or decide himself, to go with another team. Not that this should concern us too much.

The fact we’re still the only team linked, makes me confident a deal gets done.

 

[ScragCity]

It's incumbent on the deal-doers to ensure that deals get done.

 

[Chops]

If I were a betting man I would say we were committed to Lobb since last year.

We should have got him last year then. Was a way better fit at the time.

 

[Chops]

I don't think the Lobb deal will get done. We think 30 is a fair price, while Freo probably think something closer to 20 is a fair price. I just don't see how we close that chasm from 30 to 20. Sadly, I think it's just a bridge too far, and both clubs should go our separate ways.

If a younger premiership player but uncontracted Hamling was effectively traded for pick 35 to the same club then pick 30 is a fair for an older more flaky performer but contracted Lobb.

 

[Chops]

Not the end of the world if we miss Lobb.

I'm sure if Darcy has some early wow moments in 2023 up forward we wouldn't even remember trying to chase this bloke.

Pick 21 is far too important to give up (if we get it that is).

This is a strong draft and there is every chance a club trades a future first if a slider still sits there.

Rather pick 21 for Grundy


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[SweatOnMySkin]

not sure why grundy keeps being brought up. There's been no suggestion he wanted to come to us, he looked at Geelong and the Dees and that was it

 

[Chops]

not sure why grundy keeps being brought up. There's been no suggestion he wanted to come to us, he looked at Geelong and the Dees and that was it

The same with 95% of the names here. He is available, hasn’t named any club yet. Our ruck stocks are poor and our no1 ruck was smashed last time he played.