List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Cuzz09]

He's first on the list?

I didn't click the link just what's there on the page

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[Mop]

Just take Reid.

 

[Goroyals22]

trading duggan for a pick in the high 20s or low 30s is bad business. clear case of overrating draft picks.
duggan brings leadership to the team and is unfairly maligned on here.

Allen was saying in his podcast that duggan is very vocal in the group and was even doing his pre-game speeches when allen was captain (i guess its not oallens thing).

suspect how duggan is rated internally compared to the board is miles apart.

How they internally rate players is definitely miles apart… and and its them that are wrong…


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[Obeanie1]

I dont think Brisbane have anything tbh. Might need a 3rd team to be involved.
Theyve got a F1 next year and aside from DevRob, no players who we have been linked to

James Tunstill would be in the discussion.

Kalin Lane another.

 

[ep2018]

Something is definately brewing here. No doubts about it. We are in need of late 1st rounders & 2nd rounders to get our WA NGA's.
Tis the Season to do so.

Would be one of the considerations the club is making when deciding whether to keep pick 1 or split it.

Freo getting late first(s) for Schultz and Henry would be a bit concerning for the club imo.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Why the **** would we reject Reid in favour of NGA kids?

**** off with that.

 

[jesterwester]

I don’t think we lose either way, to be honest with how things currently stand.

Reid comes in, a potential A+ we are in dire need of, we get a player who can play on any line round 1 and can build with Hewett, Ginbey, Chesser (who I am still very bullish on) Hough etc

Someone comes to the table with a godfather offer, (6, 11,15, f1, for example) we take a few decent players who might end up as good as Reid but give us a strong bunch of first rounders to grow with.

Ideally, we would find a way to get into this draft again before 27, but if not, Brockman in with Flynn starts to address some issues with our younger crew getting a full pre-season in.

 

[MrKennedy17]

I'd gladly take 2 and 3 for pick 1.

As others have said, trade pick 3 to Hawks or Melb so they can get Duursma which gives us pick 4 or 5 plus a likely end of first round selection (assuming they have one - I've lost track).

End up with:

McKercher
Curtin
A KPP in the late teens
Still have pick 19 (pushed out to 30) to take someone decent -maybe a flanker.

That's a pretty complete draft.

On a tangent - the thing that annoys me the most about these late 1st compo picks is that they dilute the draft pool for those who don't receive them. Academy kids are already known to be off the board, but these compo picks eat away at what's left.

Nth have conceded that is not happening. So it's over. We are taking Number 1 pick. No one can match what Nth have to offer. So forget about it.

 

[Goroyals22]

There is no way you trade pick 1 for pick 6 and 11 in a draft where some doubt even pick 10 is decent and the bloke at pick 1 is rated so far ahead of anyone else its not funny.


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[Obeanie1]

Saint Kilda just got an end of 1st compo today.

End of week 1 and the compo picks are landing and moving around.

Expect a flurry of trades for the mid range players on Monday and Tuesday.

Wed will be waiting for Essendon, Geelong and Port to see who blinks first.

 

[TerryFilk]

I think the Dees are gonna cave and send Petty to the Crows for pick 10

Melbourne would then have 6,10,11 and their future 1st, I’d expect them to go hard after pick 1 if Petty is dealt

 

[Keys]

Rolling Rankings: Top 40 AFL Draft Prospects

The nature of this year's AFL Draft pool brings about changes week on week, so we've set up a page for our rolling rankings each week.

central.rookieme.com

From the above top 40 rankings, this is the order with academy and F/S selections removed - so only players in the open pool

1. Harley Reid - 186cm, 85kg Midfielder
2. Zane Duursma - 189cm, 79kg Forward
3. Colby McKercher - 181cm, 73kg Midfielder
4. Daniel Curtin - 195cm, 93kg Utility
5. Ryley Sanders - 186cm, 85kg Midfielder
6. Nick Watson - 170cm, 67kg Small Forward
7. Nate Caddy - 192cm, 91kg Tall Forward
8. Connor O’Sullivan - 198cm, 92kg Key Defender
9. Darcy Wilson - 186cm, 74kg Midfielder
10. Ollie Murphy - 200cm, 85kg Key Defender
11. James Leake - 188cm, 74kg Utility
12. Caleb Windsor - 184cm, 76kg Wing
13. Harry De Mattia - 185cm, 78kg Midfielder
14. Riley Hardeman - 183cm, 73kg Defender
15. Archie Roberts - 184cm, 77kg Defender
16. Will Green - 204cm, 89kg Ruck
17. Archer Reid - 203cm, 93kg Key Forward
18. Koltyn Tholstrup - 184cm, 83kg Forward
19. Charlie Edwards - 190cm, 82kg Midfielder
20. George Stevens - 189cm, 84kg Defender
21. Mitch Edwards - 206cm, 88kg Ruck
22. Lance Collard - 185cm, 70kg Small Forward
23. Arie Schoenmaker - 194cm, 91kg Defender
24. Jack Delean - 181cm, 73kg Small Forward
25. Ashton Moir - 188cm, 84kg Forward
26. Tew Jiath - 187cm, 71kg Defender
27. Angus Hastie - 190cm, 74kg Medium Defender
28. Cooper Simpson - 182cm, 76kg Midfielder, Forward
29. Logan Morris - 191cm, 90kg Tall Forward
30. Joel Freijah - 190cm, 88kg Wing
31. Taylor Goad - 205cm, 90kg Ruck
32. Luamon Lual - 181cm, 71kg Defender
33. Koen Sanchez - 177cm, 69kg Midfielder, Small Forward

The bolded are where our picks 23 and 37 are estimated to be once picks are lost by bid matching. Our pick 44 comes in to about Pick 36 in the open pool

Players like Philactides, Zakostelsky and Hall appear on some other lists. There’s also a lot of movement in different rankings after the first dozen or so making it difficult to know who might be available at our picks

Knowing our own draft board as well as what those of other clubs might be will be critical for our recruiters when deciding whether to move up (or down) the draft board

It’s a very tricky draft

 

[Wild Kelly]

I left him out because before Ben cousins it was braden Lyle. Only went the unbroken chain.

Peter Wilson was a favourite.

Wilson's an arrogant tosser......would prefer Lyle as #9 third favourite!

 

[shooshka]

Would be one of the considerations the club is making when deciding whether to keep pick 1 or split it.

Freo getting late first(s) for Schultz and Henry would be a bit concerning for the club imo.

I’m assuming the club can read (Reid?) the rooms.

Room 1, 2023 draft, we have an elite pick and as much as it is expected we will get another next year sometimes strange things happen (drafts change in shape as the U18 season plays out, some AFL teams rise, others fall off cliffs… as we well know)

Room 2 - 2024 draft, as evidenced this year and continued into next year (most likely… AFL are looking at it) R2 picks are relatively junk. I know the magic herbs and spices of the FA compo ‘we didn’t adjust for pay increases’ will be fixed, so a lot fewer band 1&2 compo picks, but F/S and Academy picks are still going to make our F2nd mid 20’s in 2024.

So if a guy or two in the late teens (early 20’s on draft night) is who we are chasing use our F2nd to upgrade our next pick.

17/19/50etc in this draft are barely steak knives in any deal for pick 1 (different if we had 2 and wanted Curtin anyway).

2&3 should be the only and final demand. And Nth should not offer it.

But 2&3 is worthy (as much as I really want Reid).


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[amazingjoshy]

Surely it's the PSD now

 

[Mop]

Surely it's the PSD now

It’s like trying to poker face your opponent when you have transparent cards.

I guess the messaging is more useful than pick 44 in a draft where only 40ish players are being taken

 

[RookiePick]

Surely it's the PSD now

Walk him. **** the Hawks.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Wilson's an arrogant tosser......would prefer Lyle as #9 third favourite!

Willow was awesome, just a bit of a mad campaigner, would probably be medicated nowadays and told to see a plethora of Dr’s, when in reality a footy field and a boxing bag were the best medicine.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Surely it's the PSD now

Am I the only one that’s seriously pissed off this is taking so long?

We offer a future 3rd, they knock it back so then we offer pick 44 this year to which they want more.


It’s a player in a bottom 4 side that was dropped multiple times in 2023 and was originally a pick in the 40’s.

We have the first pick in the PSD. We should have told them to **** off days ago and told them the offer stands until the deadlline next week.

Clubs pull this shit with us because we are too nice. It’s the same reason North are ****ing playing games with a Reid offer.

They most likely believe if they wait we will get desperate and accept unders.


You know how you fix that? Publicly say you’re taking Reid.

 

[UseR2006]

Surely it's the PSD now

 

[eaglevision]

I fail to see how this is connected to Buss but go off, I guess.

If the Dogs are forced to hand out $12m 10 year deals then there won’t be anywhere near as much cash to keep Buss, English etc.

 

[Jupes]

don't think i could stomach hearing the "against the club that didn't want him!" call every time reid rips us a new on over the next 15 years

just take reid

 

[eaglevision]

2 and 3 isn’t happening lads. North aren’t that desperate / rightly so.

Presume it’s the Keys suggestion of 2 and two late firsts.

I reckon the club takes it myself, sadly

If we accept 2 and a couple of picks in the 20s for Reid Lathlain won’t exist.

 

[shooshka]

Surely it's the PSD now

Question is, who are they trying to push to the PSD?

Reality is if they think a decent player may be in that draft they may want us to commit our pick to Brockman (then they only need to navigate Nth).




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[MrWoollie]

I come in peace.

Always liked Duggan, in light of the pick 21 received for Gresham does that get Duggan over the line? Few rumours swirling this morning over east

Normally this would be in the ballpark. Maybe with an innocuous sweetener to make the seller feel good.

But these are not normal times.

Duggan is worth more to WC than he would be to most buyers. He is in an age bracket where we lack quality and quantity. He has leadership skills (again we lack) and may even be offered the captaincy.

Then there is the draft. Pick 21 aint pick 21 baby. Add in 3 x GC academy matches, 2 x f/s matches, NM end of R1 charity pick and at least 2 x end of R1 FA compo picks, and pick 21 becomes pick 28-29.
Pick 29 just doesn't cut it. And (not StK's fault) pick 29 is what you're really offering.