List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Keys]

Reid has emphatically said he’s happy to come to WA - but he hasn’t been asked if he’ll stay beyond his initial contract

Maclure aside, there’s little doubt that West Coast will draft Reid with pick 1 - the caveat being if they still have it

There remains a belief in numerous Victorian media that WCE want to, and will trade the first pick once an acceptable deal comes forth on the basis that we’re happy with Curtin

North are the most obvious and perhaps only club with the collateral to make a satisfactory trade with Melbourne a long shot.

As it stands North aren’t prepared to put up either pick 2 or 3, one of which would be a prerequisite to any trade. The belief being they’re willing to wait West Coast out to see if they’re really prepared to go with Reid or cave in to a deal that’s less than they’d hoped for

If they don’t get Reid, they have the luxury of an excellent draft hand courtesy of the AFL’s largesse. Equally, West Coast can settle for the clear best player of the draft if a great deal isn’t forthcoming

I don’t think the godfather offer of 2 and 3 is coming but something like 2,15,18 might

Whether our recruiters blink will depend on the level of confidence they have in our ability to extend Reid beyond 3 years

And that’s a question nobody outside the club knows the answer to

The extent to which our draft hand has been weakened in an already weak draft doesn’t help for those wanting to JTR

For 2 and late firsts I hope we don’t blink and back ourselves in

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Reid has emphatically said he’s happy to come to WA - but he hasn’t been asked if he’ll stay beyond his initial contract

Maclure aside, there’s little doubt that West Coast will draft Reid with pick 1 - the caveat being if they still have it

There remains a belief in numerous Victorian media that WCE want to, and will trade the first pick once an acceptable deal comes forth on the basis that we’re happy with Curtin

North are the most obvious and perhaps only club with the collateral to make a satisfactory trade with Melbourne a long shot.

As it stands North aren’t prepared to put up either pick 2 or 3, one of which would be a prerequisite to any trade. The belief being they’re willing to wait West Coast out to see if they’re really prepared to go with Reid or cave in to a deal that’s less than they’d hoped for

If they don’t get Reid, they have the luxury of an excellent draft hand courtesy of the AFL’s largesse. Equally, West Coast can settle for the clear best player of the draft if a great deal isn’t forthcoming

I don’t think the godfather offer of 2 and 3 is coming but something like 2,15,18 might

Whether our recruiters blink will depend on the level of confidence they have in our ability to extend Reid beyond 3 years

And that’s a question nobody outside the club knows the answer to

The extent to which our draft hand has been weakened in an already weak draft doesn’t help for those wanting to JTR

For 2 and late firsts I hope we don’t blink and back ourselves in

If we have such little faith in ourselves we should simply fold as a club and start again

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Bell, small d1ck syndrome

Belly wants to recruit Brockman because he falls under their height restrictions. Belly recruits in his own image hence the “land of short people”.
Went to the same school of recruiting as Essendon.

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

Reid has emphatically said he’s happy to come to WA - but he hasn’t been asked if he’ll stay beyond his initial contract

Maclure aside, there’s little doubt that West Coast will draft Reid with pick 1 - the caveat being if they still have it

There remains a belief in numerous Victorian media that WCE want to, and will trade the first pick once an acceptable deal comes forth on the basis that we’re happy with Curtin

North are the most obvious and perhaps only club with the collateral to make a satisfactory trade with Melbourne a long shot.

As it stands North aren’t prepared to put up either pick 2 or 3, one of which would be a prerequisite to any trade. The belief being they’re willing to wait West Coast out to see if they’re really prepared to go with Reid or cave in to a deal that’s less than they’d hoped for

If they don’t get Reid, they have the luxury of an excellent draft hand courtesy of the AFL’s largesse. Equally, West Coast can settle for the clear best player of the draft if a great deal isn’t forthcoming

I don’t think the godfather offer of 2 and 3 is coming but something like 2,15,18 might

Whether our recruiters blink will depend on the level of confidence they have in our ability to extend Reid beyond 3 years

And that’s a question nobody outside the club knows the answer to

The extent to which our draft hand has been weakened in an already weak draft doesn’t help for those wanting to JTR

For 2 and late firsts I hope we don’t blink and back ourselves in

If we trade Reid for Curtin and two picks that end up being 20 and 23 I’d genuinely lose interest in the club.

If we accept that deal and take McKercher at 2 and swap those picks for another pick inside top 10 and take Curtin I’d be content

McKercher/Curtin: Yes
Curtin plus 2 average picks: **** no

 

[Altum Volantes]

I was feeling good as it seemed likely we’d grab Reid yesterday but today…it feels like they are just waiting for the ‘real’ offers to come rolling in.

Hmm.

Half of me wants the guy because he is meant to be so good - but the other half of me knows that it will be never ending stream of articles about how he is leaving and the usual suspects will be lining up with ridiculous 10 year-15 million contracts, every single season, until Harley takes one.

It will be so boring though if we come away from this with a long term tall prospect and a couple of late first round picks.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Reid has emphatically said he’s happy to come to WA - but he hasn’t been asked if he’ll stay beyond his initial contract

Maclure aside, there’s little doubt that West Coast will draft Reid with pick 1 - the caveat being if they still have it

There remains a belief in numerous Victorian media that WCE want to, and will trade the first pick once an acceptable deal comes forth on the basis that we’re happy with Curtin

North are the most obvious and perhaps only club with the collateral to make a satisfactory trade with Melbourne a long shot.

As it stands North aren’t prepared to put up either pick 2 or 3, one of which would be a prerequisite to any trade. The belief being they’re willing to wait West Coast out to see if they’re really prepared to go with Reid or cave in to a deal that’s less than they’d hoped for

If they don’t get Reid, they have the luxury of an excellent draft hand courtesy of the AFL’s largesse. Equally, West Coast can settle for the clear best player of the draft if a great deal isn’t forthcoming

I don’t think the godfather offer of 2 and 3 is coming but something like 2,15,18 might

Whether our recruiters blink will depend on the level of confidence they have in our ability to extend Reid beyond 3 years

And that’s a question nobody outside the club knows the answer to

The extent to which our draft hand has been weakened in an already weak draft doesn’t help for those wanting to JTR

For 2 and late firsts I hope we don’t blink and back ourselves in

Sorry but I don’t think 2 & 3 is a “Godfather “ offer. It’s a reasonable offer! Im not feeling particularly reasonable at the moment!!

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I was feeling good as it seemed likely we’d grab Reid yesterday but today…it feels like they are just waiting for the ‘real’ offers to come rolling in.

Hmm.

Half of me wants the guy because he is meant to be so good - but the other half of me knows that it will be never ending stream of articles about how he is leaving and the usual suspects will be lining up with ridiculous 10 year-15 million contracts, every single season, until Harley takes one.

It will be so boring though if we come away from this with a long term tall prospect and a couple of late first round picks.

It’s tough isn’t it

If he’s as good as we all hope, there is no doubt there will, at some stage, and likely every year for his entire career, going to be a VIC club with a war chest, offering something to HR that would be to the utmost detriment to the the club for us to match. More money, more years and to go back home. It will be an ongoing problem every year.

How would he say no? Posters will bring up Shuey etc but he’s not near the level we’re hoping HR will be

 

[MrKennedy17]

Interesting news re St Kilda/Carlton Yeo & Co.
Also Gunston wanting back to Hawks.

With Gunston going back, Hipwood being erratic & Rich retiring.
What is everyone's thoughts on Yeo/Darling package to the Lions? Win Win here.
What would Brisbane offer? Maybe throw in a Dom Sheed & Gaff too.

Something is definately brewing here. No doubts about it. We are in need of late 1st rounders & 2nd rounders to get our WA NGA's.
Tis the Season to do so.

 

[sey666]

Maybe the third club was WCE?

Wasn’t he with the Essendon VFL team? So Essendon.

 

[Barrybran]

Sorry but I don’t think 2 & 3 is a “Godfather “ offer. It’s a reasonable offer! Im not feeling particularly reasonable at the moment!!

All things being equal, being able to take two of the three best players in the draft is huge. Then the ability for us to split that into, say, 6 & 11 gets three quality kids through the door rather than just one. As someone mentioned either here or in the pick 1 thread - LeBron James gets an NBA team into the playoffs. Gary Ablett doesn't get Gold Coast into finals.

That said, Reid will be a bloody good centrepiece to build around and the marketing department will be drooling at the prospect of him landing with us.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Kornes talking like pick 1s never go to wooden spoon teams. * wit.

Seriously! I never really understood all the dislike of Cornes until I saw that.” Not good for his football to go to a club like WC??”
I think he’s got Harleys picture taped to the ceiling in his bedroom.Kane? That is some of the silliest commentary I’ve heard in a long time. It’s an insult to the whole draft narrative and I can’t believe somebody pays him to spew out such rubbish!!

 

[boondy]

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Doesn’t bode well for us or Norf

Eagle crowds may fuel his ego enough . He certainly has plenty of it

 

[Jupes]

Wasn’t he with the Essendon VFL team? So Essendon.

he was talking about the interviews at the combine so the third club is each of the 5-6 clubs that interviewed him.
i think people need to pump the brakes on hyper-analysing every little thing harley says like it's a kubrick film. he's joking around most of the time.

 

[Barrybran]

Eagle crowds may fuel his ego enough . He certainly has plenty of it

It will. He's a Victorian kid so it is natural he thinks of Collingwood. Once he plays in front of 60k West Coast fans he'll love it.

 

[Astro7]

It’s tough isn’t it

If he’s as good as we all hope, there is no doubt there will, at some stage, and likely every year for his entire career, going to be a VIC club with a war chest, offering something to HR that would be to the utmost detriment to the the club for us to match. More money, more years and to go back home. It will be an ongoing problem every year.

How would he say no? Posters will bring up Shuey etc but he’s not near the level we’re hoping HR will be..

What current players out there are comparable to the potential of Reid? There must be a couple, a few? Dusty, Cripps, Neale?
Do they get huge offers thrown at them every year by other clubs, do they get
never-ending media attention to the point of distraction, does Cripps and Neale want to go home?
Arguably Judd's return was partially influenced by the 'kulcha' at the time, and what a great deal it turned out to be. He helped us to a GF, then JK did the same..

 

[Spange]

How many kids on our list supported other clubs. Don’t read into it too much. Once you are in the wings you will find it hard to leave.

 

[stallon]

Interesting news re St Kilda/Carlton Yeo & Co.
Also Gunston wanting back to Hawks.

With Gunston going back, Hipwood being erratic & Rich retiring.
What is everyone's thoughts on Yeo/Darling package to the Lions? Win Win here.
What would Brisbane offer. Maybe throw in a Dom Sheed & Gaff too.

Something is definately brewing here. No doubts about it. We are in need of late 1st rounders & 2nd rounders to get our WA NGA's.
Tis the Season to do so.

I dont think Brisbane have anything tbh. Might need a 3rd team to be involved.
Theyve got a F1 next year and aside from DevRob, no players who we have been linked to

 

[Byron_Clanger]

All things being equal, being able to take two of the three best players in the draft is huge. Then the ability for us to split that into, say, 6 & 11 gets three quality kids through the door rather than just one. As someone mentioned either here or in the pick 1 thread - LeBron James gets an NBA team into the playoffs. Gary Ablett doesn't get Gold Coast into finals.

That said, Reid will be a bloody good centrepiece to build around and the marketing department will be drooling at the prospect of him landing with us.

Splitting the pick into 6 and 11 would be the most quintessential vanilla West Coast thing ever. For once I just want them to pick the best kid in the draft. This rebuild is going to take YEARS, please can we go one year without splitting picks for a couple of vanilla, slow West Aussies who are good in a couple of areas but not great at anything and don't stand out in any way? Please?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Apologies to anyone who's posted this but bit stiff to leave out Peter Wilson, 2 flags, 3GFs extremely under rated Eagles player.

Always stood up

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I left him out because before Ben cousins it was braden Lyle. Only went the unbroken chain.

Peter Wilson was a favourite.

 

[Astro7]

Seriously! I never really understood all the dislike of Cornes until I saw that.” Not good for his football to go to a club like WC??”
I think he’s got Harleys picture taped to the ceiling in his bedroom.Kane? That is some of the silliest commentary I’ve heard in a long time. It’s an insult to the whole draft narrative and I can’t believe somebody pays him to spew out such rubbish!!

Welcome to the Korny Kane bandwagon!...like Kane, it's piled high with sh*

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

FWIW I would not be celebrating just yet. Plenty to play out and unless the Eagles come out and say we're taking Reid with pick 1 anything can happen up until we lock that pick in.

Few more rounds of interviews and discussions and other teams working out exactly what they'll have.

Also Eagles are considerably more into McKercher than publicly known and no he is not a risk to flee to Tassie team.

Apart from Norf with Horny Frank, very few clubs go early and commit publicly to a player with pick 1. This year it is pretty obvious, so unless it is a trade of picks - we go Reid. That said, the trade of picks could happen as late as the opening bell of day 1 at the draft.

I agree on McKercher and he and Curtin at picks 2 and 3 would be great pick ups. In fact very tempting but I would personally be asking for a late R1 pick on top of that but that is because my selling price is so high. McKercher with Curtin and with say a Thulstrup of Murphy or ....

I would also be into Duursma big time with the hope that Hawks or Dogs offer their 4 or 5 and something else good as Curtin will slide past those 2 and we have a mini battle at 3.

I expect that there will be no more clarity after trade period closes and we have to buckle in for a month and hope that NicNat has been booked to fly to Melbourne - picture him walking onto the stage holding a jumper with number 9 on the back to present to Harley. And yes I know that the jumpers normally do not have a number but this would be a sign of confidence (some might say arrogance) that will help rejuvenate our club.

 

[Barrybran]

Splitting the pick into 6 and 11 would be the most quintessential vanilla West Coast thing ever. For once I just want them to pick the best kid in the draft. This rebuild is going to take YEARS, please can we go one year without splitting picks for a couple of vanilla, slow West Aussies who are good in a couple of areas but not great at anything and don't stand out in any way? Please?

If the conversation was 1 for 6 & 11, sure. But the scenario above is 1 for 2, 6 & 11 - 1 for 2 & 3 and then 3 for 6 & 11. That likely gets you McKercher, Curtin and O'Sullivan/Murphy, two of whom are not West Australians. FWIW, I think Reid's trade value goes beyond what we're likely to get on field and think we should keep the pick and take him but turning Reid into McKercher/Curtin/KPD would be an excellent outcome from a pure on-field perspective and fast-track our rebuild by 12 months. Don't forget, we have another top 5 pick next year and top 10 pick in 2025 to really round out our core and we have the ability to plug multiple holes with high-end talent in one go.

 

[eaglevision]

This is EXCELLENT news for WCE getting Buss next year

 

[Cursedsword02]

This is EXCELLENT news for WCE getting Buss next year

I fail to see how this is connected to Buss but go off, I guess.

 

[Rowan18]

I'd gladly take 2 and 3 for pick 1.

As others have said, trade pick 3 to Hawks or Melb so they can get Duursma which gives us pick 4 or 5 plus a likely end of first round selection (assuming they have one - I've lost track).

End up with:

McKercher
Curtin
A KPP in the late teens
Still have pick 19 (pushed out to 30) to take someone decent -maybe a flanker.

That's a pretty complete draft.

On a tangent - the thing that annoys me the most about these late 1st compo picks is that they dilute the draft pool for those who don't receive them. Academy kids are already known to be off the board, but these compo picks eat away at what's left.