List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Obeanie1]

It was great to see some of the senior boys stand up for for Hewett mid year when he got KOd by De Goey. The way they all rushed in and remonstrated to show they would protect their 18 year old teammate was admirable

Definitely fired up the team for the following week to lose to the Crows by 20 goals.

*I acknowledge I have some trust issues to work through with our senior players but remember that Gaff, Sheed and Darling are not Shuey, Redden and Nic Nat. Gov and Yeo I would back in to show some mongrel but sadly it might be young guys like Hewett and Reid that will be relied on to bring it through the midfield. Hopefully Flynn-sanity will throw his weight around at least.

Trust issues aside I too am excited to see some progress in this next phase of the rebuild.

Fair point.

Hence why we have been linked to several bigger bodied mature mids to shoulder that responsibility.

If we add Reid 187 to Ginbey 190, Hewett 188 plus a Culley 192. Give that group 2 years and they will be the ones pushing the old blokes around.

Will also add Luke Edwards is not a small winger. And if Trew is retained also not small.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

So last season our midfield was putrid . Worst midfield in the league by a mile .

Have we done anything to fix that to be competitive next year ? No

Natanui has covered for our poor midfield for many years . His ability to give us first use has paperd over how dysfunctional our mids were .
He is gone

Kelly had a career best season. No doubting his credentials. Will he back it up ? I hope so .

Yeo's body can't midfield needs to stay back to stay on the park .

Shuey tried his guts out but he is gone

Gaff is cooked too and can't even kick 35m

Sheed is slow as treacle and opposition just run away from him . Our midfield functioned better without him this year .

Ginbey and Hewett need development they will not save us next season

We bought in 25 game Flynn and lost shuey .

I can't see us getting any better for a couple of seasons until guys like ginbey Hewett long chesser and hough take over full time duties .

Poster on this board have been questioning the lack of young midfielders for years and now we are seeing the lack of talented mids in the 23 to 27 age bracket .

We won't be much better than last season .

Sure our defence may hold up better and out forward line may kick more goals but you don't win many game when your midfield gets spanked

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hence why we have been linked to several bigger bodied mature mids to shoulder that responsibility.

Like who ?

There is this wafl bloke Greg Clark who might be available

 

[Art OF war]

Like who ?

There is this wafl bloke Greg Clark who might be available

Dev I think he’s referring to.

Think you are right though. Will need 2-3 years into the young midfield group to start performing consistently. They may be good inconsistently this year.

 

[WCE_phil]

It is almost impossible for the club to significantly improve next year in regards to wins and losses. Strong years from senior players in the forward line and defence will help % but the club will likely get destroyed almost every week through the middle.

Almost no second year player has the ability or body to compete and improve such a weak midfield. Ginbey has the size and athletic capability but I don't think he really moves the needle as he still has a lot to learn in regards to stoppages, setups, movement.

Most of the second year players will likely improve but not enough to swing things very far at all, they may go from performing admirably but losing to their opponent on field to coming close to breaking even but it's really your 3rd to 6th year players that can drive improvement as they have hardened bodies, increasing experience and make better decisions.

Someone let me know our class inside or balanced 3rd to 6th year midfield options?

The club is banking a lot on Kelly not getting injured, Sheed and Gaff and being able to perform close to their max capacity this year even for us to hold the level we are at through the midfield. The only way it improves significantly is if Yeo is able to come back from his overseas trip, perform an outstanding preseason and then delivers a top shelf year through the midfield all year. That happening is highly unlikely.

To try and even this up the club needs to try and tie the ball in and work for secondary stoppages where we can get more players around the ball.

6 wins and a % of 75 could very well be considered a great result compared to the last 2 years but could also still leave the club with the spoon. It's more likely to result in 17th but a spoon is still a chance with that level of improvement.

 

[WCErevival]

Even though I dont rate him there, I can see the club moving Duggan to the midfield permanently to provide a mature body. Or maybe even Cole.

 

[navi_]

Even though I dont rate him there, I can see the club moving Duggan to the midfield permanently to provide a mature body. Or maybe even Cole.

Cole had a sting on the swing in 2020 and couldn't get near it.

Wouldn't want him on the ball either.

Definitely prefer Dugan of the two, at least he's shown he can straight line it and burst from stoppage. Just needs to keep it simple with his kicking.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

For me it’s F1(1),37 for 6,11,F1(14). Any future trade HAS to value the pick as pick 1. If we get a specific return that we have a plan for player wise based on that then I’m happy to trade it. If not we absolutely keep it.

F1 is of unknown value. Unlikely as it may seem, there's a possibility that we rise up the ladder in 2024 & F1 is itself pick 6.

Why would Melb pay 6, 11 & F1?

 

[random260]

There will be pressure on sheed. He need to return to averaging 28+ possesion in the midfield.

Both sheed and Kelly will form the duo to lead us.

As for gaff just rule a line through him.

One of Yeo or Duggan needs to fill the hole. I'd say it's Duggan he just need to provide a body.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

There will be pressure on sheed. He need to return to averaging 28+ possesion in the midfield.

Both sheed and Kelly will form the duo to lead us.

Sheed should be seen as more peripheral now. Shouldn't start midfield ahead of the likes of Hewett and Ginbey.

Gaff shouldn't be seen at all.

I see these two points as linked. Sheed to Gaff's wing and outside role. Gaff to Beagles. Maybe captain? Should be there most of the season.

 

[Grahame]

having Simpson roll up to pressers and blame injuries for bad results

Have to 100% disagree. He might mention it but only in in passing - he never bleated about injury. This allowed lazy ‘journalists’ to say ‘we know they have injuries but every team has injuries blah blah’ which conveniently ignored our unprecedented? depth of injuries.

And … seeing Beau being mentioned again - any chance of him being our sub aka enforcer?

 

[eaglevision]

F1 is of unknown value. Unlikely as it may seem, there's a possibility that we rise up the ladder in 2024 & F1 is itself pick 6.

Why would Melb pay 6, 11 & F1?

Because they offered more than that for pick 1 this year and it may suit their list needs better to get an elite mid next year as opposed to using pick 6 and 11 this year. Let’s be honest, our pick is very likely to be 1 or 2 and both clubs usually accept risk trading for futures. If we as a club value our F1 as pick 1 and trade accordingly, our risk is zero in this regard as we can’t do worse than assume it’s pick 1. We do still carry some risk if the Demons won the flag so we’d need to figure out what we value their F1 at.

 

[DanWCE]

Cole's so injury prone now they've decided not to train him during the week between matches. I can't see that holding up for reasonable midfield minutes

 

[Farang83150]

while we were historically bad this year, the tide can turn quick. Hell, everyone thought the Hawks would be historically bad this year and they were Atleast competitive and had some decent wins.

I’d give our F1 for 6/11/Dees F1. Would get us Curtain, plus probably a KPD (O’Sullivan) and still have the Dees F1 to use next season. If the club rates Curtain over the young mids of next season, why not?

If they did that (IMO don't want to trade F1) I'd grab Curtin and collard

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

So last season our midfield was putrid . Worst midfield in the league by a mile .

Have we done anything to fix that to be competitive next year ? No

Natanui has covered for our poor midfield for many years . His ability to give us first use has paperd over how dysfunctional our mids were .
He is gone

Kelly had a career best season. No doubting his credentials. Will he back it up ? I hope so .

Yeo's body can't midfield needs to stay back to stay on the park .

Shuey tried his guts out but he is gone

Gaff is cooked too and can't even kick 35m

Sheed is slow as treacle and opposition just run away from him . Our midfield functioned better without him this year .

Ginbey and Hewett need development they will not save us next season

We bought in 25 game Flynn and lost shuey .

I can't see us getting any better for a couple of seasons until guys like ginbey Hewett long chesser and hough take over full time duties .

Poster on this board have been questioning the lack of young midfielders for years and now we are seeing the lack of talented mids in the 23 to 27 age bracket .

We won't be much better than last season .

Sure our defence may hold up better and out forward line may kick more goals but you don't win many game when your midfield gets spanked

Ideally Reid, Ginbey, Hewett, Culley and fingers crossed, Burgiel, will leave Sheed and Gaff in the WAFL (or least out of the midfield).

 

[Obeanie1]

It was great to see some of the senior boys stand up for for Hewett mid year when he got KOd by De Goey. The way they all rushed in and remonstrated to show they would protect their 18 year old teammate was admirable

Definitely fired up the team for the following week to lose to the Crows by 20 goals.

*I acknowledge I have some trust issues to work through with our senior players but remember that Gaff, Sheed and Darling are not Shuey, Redden and Nic Nat. Gov and Yeo I would back in to show some mongrel but sadly it might be young guys like Hewett and Reid that will be relied on to bring it through the midfield. Hopefully Flynn-sanity will throw his weight around at least.

Trust issues aside I too am excited to see some progress in this next phase of the rebuild.

Fair call. And an area of concern and focus I would suggest.

It just shows how important having a senior group to lead the way and provide support.

We missed out on Dev as a mature bigger inside mid. Do we still need to add one?

Ryan Clarke Swans? Likely the unlucky player who made way for Taylor Adams. With Don now CEO he would know exactly what transpired and if he is worth a spot. Coming from a club with elite standards and played in the 2022 grand final side, now a 26 yrs old DFA.

 

[Obeanie1]

Really? Elijah Hewett died and no one did a thing. The Dom Sheed made up some pathetic excuse

Forgive me for considering this optimistic after watching the Collingwood game this year.

What part of our rebuild are we again?

And no, that display v Collingwood is not acceptable.

I am certainly looking forward to the coaches and the entire list collectively changing that and instantly.

 

[bzparkes]

What part of our rebuild are we again?

And no, that display v Collingwood is not acceptable.

I am certainly looking forward to the coaches and the entire list collectively changing that and instantly.

Didn't they have a scrap in the following weeks and Shuey paid for Ginbey, Chesser and Long(?)'s fines himself?

 

[Keys]

Assuming we use all of our first 4 draft picks, wherever they end up falling, which is a bit of a given we’re down to 2 spots

We have first pick in the rookie draft so it would be something of a waste not to use it on the best of the leftovers from the draft

Plenty of options on how to fill the last spot

1) Use a 5th pick in the draft, likely to be in the mid-late 50’s. (Pick 58 has a nice ring to it).
2) Use a 2nd pick in the rookie draft - could be where we draft Livingstone or Hine-Baston since we’re said to be re-signing Baker and Dewar as our two Cat B placements.
3) Sign a DFA predraft to add a more mature body
4) Leave a spot open to allow for a SSP signing after trialling potential signings as train-on players

I don’t think there’s anyone worth signing as a DFA that wouldn’t still be available to trial as a train-on player. Doing so also takes away any flexibility we’d have in the draft by filling a list spot beforehand

Wait and see is the best approach I think based on who’s available at the relevant times of the draft/rookie draft. And the spread of players we’ve used our first 4 picks on

 

[eaglesnutcase]

It is almost impossible for the club to significantly improve next year in regards to wins and losses. Strong years from senior players in the forward line and defence will help % but the club will likely get destroyed almost every week through the middle.

Almost no second year player has the ability or body to compete and improve such a weak midfield. Ginbey has the size and athletic capability but I don't think he really moves the needle as he still has a lot to learn in regards to stoppages, setups, movement.

Most of the second year players will likely improve but not enough to swing things very far at all, they may go from performing admirably but losing to their opponent on field to coming close to breaking even but it's really your 3rd to 6th year players that can drive improvement as they have hardened bodies, increasing experience and make better decisions.

Someone let me know our class inside or balanced 3rd to 6th year midfield options?

The club is banking a lot on Kelly not getting injured, Sheed and Gaff and being able to perform close to their max capacity this year even for us to hold the level we are at through the midfield. The only way it improves significantly is if Yeo is able to come back from his overseas trip, perform an outstanding preseason and then delivers a top shelf year through the midfield all year. That happening is highly unlikely.

To try and even this up the club needs to try and tie the ball in and work for secondary stoppages where we can get more players around the ball.

6 wins and a % of 75 could very well be considered a great result compared to the last 2 years but could also still leave the club with the spoon. It's more likely to result in 17th but a spoon is still a chance with that level of improvement.

So! No Reid playing mid ?
A fully fit Cripps can and has cameoed in the middle.
Duggan?
Hopefully we will see some “dare” return to Simmos coaching!

 

[mattyc75]

There will be pressure on sheed. He need to return to averaging 28+ possesion in the midfield.

Both sheed and Kelly will form the duo to lead us.

As for gaff just rule a line through him.

One of Yeo or Duggan needs to fill the hole. I'd say it's Duggan he just need to provide a body.

If sheed is getting 28 possessions we're in trouble, he's the ultimate momentum killer

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[Godfather32]

If sheed is getting 28 possessions we're in trouble, he's the ultimate momentum killer

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Plus his opponent is probably getting 40 of his own and waltzing out of the middle unopposed on half of them

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

You can't expect a huge jump in wins next year. First step is to stop the blow outs and turn the 100 point plus losses into 30 point losses and match the opposition for effort. When we get beaten, and we will get beaten a lot, it needs to be that we were beaten on polish and experience, not on effort and intensity. Trying to instill a never give up attitude into a playing group who mentally gave up in 75% of our games this year will not be an easy task for Simpson. I hope Pyke doesn't (and i doubt he will) cop having Simpson roll up to pressers and blame injuries for bad results where we clearly gave up and failed to match the other side for effort, and then suggest that the solution is to just wait until we get another couple of 32 year olds back from their latest injuries. Those days need to be over. Simpson must finally be held accountable for effort levels.

I think he would sit back at watch the first 12 months then make changes
This time next year i expect we will be looking for a new coach

 

[UseR2006]

Someone let me know our class inside or balanced 3rd to 6th year midfield options?

Kelly, Duggan, Petch.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

6 more days. Even the media will start to pivot and know that a hail Mary on draft day is dumb.

Then hopefully the media can shift to more important matters such as who is handing Harley Reid his jumper and have they considered booking Ben Cousins for it.

B E A Utiful.

The only thing that can **** this up, is and XXXL shirt again.