List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[bzparkes]

Lot of water to go under the bridge, but at this stage I'd rank Jagga Smith and Finn O’Sullivan as best two prospects. Moraes had a huge finish to the year and is an excellent mid/fwd prospect. He did his MCL in futures game on G, but already recovered.
Smilie is the other, big unit midfielder like Tom Green. Played CHB for futures games and was excellent, versatile player.
Draper small zippy mid with great skills.

I'm stunned GWS didn't accept our offer...

Probably didn't think it was worth trading out of this draft for pick 18 next year

 

[Godfather32]

I been spouting this one for a while. Not quite sure what it is either, but i 100% expect Bailey is going to get traded back to Vic at some point.

Possibly an English FA acquisition next offseason, possibly Flynn coming on board to take over the main ruck role this year, or possibly a down year in 2024 for him after failing to adapt/impress as a FWD again, i've got a feeling it'll happen. These days, after the season he's just had in 2023, he's going to kick up quite the fuss if the FWD thing isn't working out by mid year and Flynn is doing his job as a ruck and Bailey gets dropped to the WAFL.

Definitely a watch this space for mine.

Sydney will take him off our hands

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Just saw this article from AFL.COM.AU.

Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2024

Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects heading into the 2024 season

www.afl.com.au

Who do (can we) take next year assuming bottom 3 finish?
Interesting (expected) that no WA prospects listed in the top 10.

Speaking to a couple of players managers recently.

Gross is rated highly.

O'Sullivan is class and damaging.

Both potential pick 1.


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[Priddis Is Done]

Just saw this article from AFL.COM.AU.

Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2024

Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects heading into the 2024 season

www.afl.com.au

Who do (can we) take next year assuming bottom 3 finish?
Interesting (expected) that no WA prospects listed in the top 10.

Do we start academies in WA because the WAFL is farked. Grow the game and all that. Unrestricted access to players like the poverty northern clubs.

 

[Obeanie1]

Do I think/believe the academy system is fair?

I don't believe in the academies as they exist today are fair, and that only 4 northern clubs have priority access to the kids.

I don't believe how the AFL draft played out this year is fair. Not just because of the 4 Gold Coast kids, but also because of the North PP's and the existence of compensation picks.

However, the AFL as a competition isn't fair.

The VaFL is real.

ALL the traditional football states have inherent advantages that don't exist in Northern states.

I've said on our board, that as long as we have an academy, we should milk it for all it's worth. * the Vics, and by extension, * the rest of the competion.

Unfortunately, Brisbane has put the barest effort in to running it's academy, and any success that's come through it, as one parent put it, is in spite of the academy's involvement. It's pretty well known that the Lions didn't want Harris Andrews in the academy, but his club coach spent 12 months begging the academy look at this kid. Andrews only spent his draft year in our academy.

Back in 2018 I looked at all the kids that had come through the GC and Lions academies, and with the exception of Jack Payne and two Sudanese kids, every other kid and/or their family came from Vic or WA. These were kids who grew up with the game because of their family.

My view back in 2018, was the academies weren't growing the game, they were just picking from a limited pool.

Since then, I'll give Gold Coast their due, that club has done a power of work to grow the game on the Gold Coast and Cairns. They have got the sport in to all the State Schools in their immediate zones, where several schools now have their own AFL academies.

Football up here is tribal/cultural.

The Private schools, particularly the top tier GPS private schools play Rugby Union, and the old school boys from my generation are fighting tooth and nail to keep it as the only "native" code in GPS schools.

The vast, vast majority of born and bred QLDer's follow Rugby League. All the Brisbane State Schools play League, it's the working class game, with certain schools having elite League programs. It's the game that parents sign their kids up to for club football. It's the game all my nephews play.

Then there's soccer, dominated by the post war European immigrant nationalities and more recently African and Asian immigrants.

Finally there's AFL. You can almost guarantee that the majority of kids playing AFL, come from families that have come from WA, SA and Vic. There are pockets of local AFL families that have 3 or 4 generations of history in the game locally, but they are a distinct minority.


Sorry I have to go... I had a fair bit more I wanted to add in to this.

Lumping SA and WA into having the same advantages as Vic clubs is incorrect.

And the Northern clubs have natural advantages over WA as a football state as well. Just look at the number of quality Victorians who have been more than happy to move to NSW and Qld.

How many gun Victorian players have moved to a WA club? I can't think of a single one.

Daniher
Locket
Hall
Franklin
Grundy
Dunkley
Charlie Cameron (not Vic but not born in Qld).

Find it somewhat disengenuous when posters from Northern states bundle WA and SA as having the same advantages as Victorians. And rarely admit their state has natural advantages other Non Victorian states don't.

 

[CountryLad]

Jagga or Josh for my liking

The top 10 are mainly mids and a chance to add the ball magnet

Really like Finn, Smith, Draper or Moraes.
I think we have enough size in Reid,Hall, Ginbey and Culley so adding Smillie would make for a huge midfield.
Having said all that at the top of the draft just take best available and we won’t know that till later next year. Pretty even group at this stage.

 

[Obeanie1]

I been spouting this one for a while. Not quite sure what it is either, but i 100% expect Bailey is going to get traded back to Vic at some point.

Possibly an English FA acquisition next offseason, possibly Flynn coming on board to take over the main ruck role this year, or possibly a down year in 2024 for him after failing to adapt/impress as a FWD again, i've got a feeling it'll happen. These days, after the season he's just had in 2023, he's going to kick up quite the fuss if the FWD thing isn't working out by mid year and Flynn is doing his job as a ruck and Bailey gets dropped to the WAFL.

Definitely a watch this space for mine.

Agree. We have brought in Flynn and drafted two 200 plus cm rucks two years in a row.

We all know how the ruck merry go round works. A team caught short will throw a big contract at Bailey if he continues to improve as he did last season.

So wouldn't be surprised if a Vic club came calling.

 

[eagles rule]

Lot of water to go under the bridge, but at this stage I'd rank Jagga Smith and Finn O’Sullivan as best two prospects. Moraes had a huge finish to the year and is an excellent mid/fwd prospect. He did his MCL in futures game on G, but already recovered.
Smilie is the other, big unit midfielder like Tom Green. Played CHB for futures games and was excellent, versatile player.
Draper small zippy mid with great skills.

I'm stunned GWS didn't accept our offer...

GWS see themselves as contenders for finals now so want players on the list now that can add excitement and enthusiasm to the group ..

 

[Obeanie1]

I wanted to add last night, that if the status quo remains largely in place, with some minor tweaks, West Coast will need some assistance before Tasmania is introduced in to the competition.

At a minimum, unfettered access to your academy kids for a short period of time.

Academy access and a couple more rookie spots would be helpful and not get too many noses out of joint.

And that's ALL the AFL should do to assist clubs at rock bottom.

I would also suggest the wooden spooners 2nd round pick should be protected as an end of 1st round pick so it doesn't get pushed 10 picks out.

 

[Jootube]

The Dish is a great bloke. Played a bit of AFL 9s with him, refused to play as a forward kicking bags as didn’t want to take away from other blokes so played at CHB kicking 30m darts you didn’t have to move your hands to mark. Humble as they come and a genuinely good bloke. He’ll look after Harley and the boys.

I remember working a footy function with Petrie and seeing him packing up and cleaning the BBQ after it was dark and everyone else was ready to head home.

Petrie just seems like a genuinely good bloke, and our club is seriously better for having him around.

 

[eaglevision]

I remember working a footy function with Petrie and seeing him packing up and cleaning the BBQ after it was dark and everyone else was ready to head home.

Petrie just seems like a genuinely good bloke, and our club is seriously better for having him around.

Exactly, having him head up player welfare is the perfect role for him. Only thing he’s ever said no to was when we asked him to recreate the Frank the Tank celebration when he kicked a goal in AFL 9s. The best thing that’s ever come out of North Melbourne.

 

[Cuzz09]

Its funny people who hang around and clean up after others are mostly labelled as good people.



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[Monocle]

Lot of water to go under the bridge, but at this stage I'd rank Jagga Smith and Finn O’Sullivan as best two prospects. Moraes had a huge finish to the year and is an excellent mid/fwd prospect. He did his MCL in futures game on G, but already recovered.
Smilie is the other, big unit midfielder like Tom Green. Played CHB for futures games and was excellent, versatile player.
Draper small zippy mid with great skills.

ECE you suggest two excellent players there and I would be thrilled with either.

Jagga Smith is my favourite from the 2024 cohort, by way of player style comparisons:

Finn O'Sullivan - clone of his second cousin Sam Walsh Carlton.
Jagga Smith - Josh Kelly GWS.

Smith has an unbelievable ability to read the play, knowing where to position himself for his next play involvement, thats why he gets so much of the ball.
Then he reads the play in front of him and see how the game will unfold and open up ahead of him, so that he quickly identifies who he needs to best dispose the ball to.

I prefer Smith as he gets a lot of it , can play inside and out, is an elite distributor of the ball and therefore is the perfect link man.
He would compliment our young midfield group beautifully, we are still at least one silky, balanced or outside midfielder away, from a full deck.

It's early days but IMO, next years pointy end midfield options are as deep as I can remember for some time, as I rate about 6 kids that I would be thrilled to add to our midfield next year. with a top four pick.

I'm stunned GWS didn't accept our offer...

Apparently they are Setting themselves up for the "Gold Standard" small forward set up of the league ..........lol.

Phoenix Gothard was a shock to me just how early, GWS took him, I had an early to mid second round grade on him.

 

[Hook461123]

ECE you suggest two excellent players there and I would be thrilled with either.

Jagga Smith is my favourite from the 2024 cohort, by way of player style comparisons:

Finn O'Sullivan - clone of his second cousin Sam Walsh Carlton.
Jagga Smith - Josh Kelly GWS.

Smith has an unbelievable ability to read the play, knowing where to position himself for his next play involvement, thats why he gets so much of the ball.
Then he reads the play in front of him and see how the game will unfold and open up ahead of him, so that he quickly identifies who he needs to best dispose the ball to.

I prefer Smith as he gets a lot of it , can play inside and out, is an elite distributor of the ball and therefore is the perfect link man.
He would compliment our young midfield group beautifully, we are still at least one silky, balanced or outside midfielder away, from a full deck.

It's early days but IMO, next years pointy end midfield options are as deep as I can remember for some time, as I rate about 6 kids that I would be thrilled to add to our midfield next year. with a top four pick.





Apparently they are Setting themselves up for the "Gold Standard" small forward set up of the league ..........lol.

Phoenix Gothard was a shock to me just how early, GWS took him, I had an early to mid second round grade on him.

Listened to a podcast the other day with Smith on. Seems really driven. Interviewer reckons he is the hardest trainer he has seen.
Smith said this year he wants to add to his bow by being more damaging in the forward half. Said he felt like he knows how to find the ball pretty well but wants to hit the scoreboard and assist more. If he can do that he probably goes close to the top of the pile.
Well spoken and seems like an intelligent kid.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

How do you rate our wing stocks? I wonder if we need to spend a good pick replacing Gaff. We seem to have made a decent effort grabbing big bodied contested mids. Id love some outside polish. Someone that will run up and back all day, uses it beautifully off both sides, a death by thousand cuts operator. Who knows they may already be on the list and just haven't played yet

We have options at this stage - nobody has been ready or given the chance to make me think “it is X”

Players who might be on our list to play wing include Chesser, Hough and Burgiel plus our recently added Johnston

More important for me is how will our new game plan be using wingers?

 

[Keys]

Apparently they are Setting themselves up for the "Gold Standard" small forward set up of the league ..........lol.

Phoenix Gothard was a shock to me just how early, GWS took him, I had an early to mid second round grade on him.

Their small forwards are going to be UNSTOPPABLE

Didn’t you hear the man

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Not going to try and defend the Northern academies, but if they are going to wind back the NGA concessions, then they need to make it the same rules for all 14 clubs, because it’s so open to be rorted as well.

McGrath at Essendon would be nga eligible, so to Erasmus at Freo.

Almost 50% of Australia’s current population would be eligible, according to the latest census, as one of the requirements is being born overseas, or have one parent born overseas.

Mind you, if all the fricken Victorian clubs stopped poaching Gold Coast’s draftees, they’d probably be a top 4 club at the moment, and wouldn’t have been able to match all 4 kids.

So why all the hoohaa?

Because the AFL jumped at shadows when the other Victorian clubs whinged about the Bulldogs getting JUH.

I actually don't have a problem with GC and GWS having academy picks with less restrictions. I think it's important for the AFL for those clubs to be successful, particularly Gold Coast.

I do have an issue with Brisbane and Sydney having the same conditions. The reason being fairness. Both the lions and swans have been amongst the most successful clubs since 2000. Brisbane have won 3 premierships across 5 grand finals and have made top 4 around 8 times. The Swans have won 2 flags across 5 grand finals and a similar number of top 4 finishes.

Media loves raving about Swans culture and ability to stay competitive but ignore the freebies of Heeney, Mills, Blakey to name a few. Certainly helps accelerate a rebuild when you get top 10 picks for free

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Lumping SA and WA into having the same advantages as Vic clubs is incorrect.

And the Northern clubs have natural advantages over WA as a football state as well. Just look at the number of quality Victorians who have been more than happy to move to NSW and Qld.

How many gun Victorian players have moved to a WA club? I can't think of a single one.

Daniher
Locket
Hall
Franklin
Grundy
Dunkley
Charlie Cameron (not Vic but not born in Qld).

Find it somewhat disengenuous when posters from Northern states bundle WA ans SA as having the same advantages as Victorians. And rarely admit their state has natural advantages other Non Victorian states don't.

This is a really fair point. Especially with COLA and the Sydney factor. Imagine moving to one the biggest cities in the country where you can get paid more due to salary cap allowances and have more of a normal (less media) life. I'm sure a lot NBA players would love to get extra to move to New York and have less of a public profile.

 

[maxrm]

I’m indifferent to missing out on Curtin and relieved we didn’t dish our F1 for Caddy.
Smith, O’Sullivan, Draper and Moraes all look like brilliant complimentary pieces for our blossoming young midfield unit.
Really think Busslinger could be the missing link down back as a prospect who can defend KPFs but also help with rebounding, just like Curtin. He should be a big priority next trade period, just don’t want to give up our 2024 first but 2025 F1 could be on the table as we may start pushing up the ladder then anyway.
Pretty damn tempting to draft Draper just to spite the Crows though!

 

[chaddy22]

I been spouting this one for a while. Not quite sure what it is either, but i 100% expect Bailey is going to get traded back to Vic at some point.

Possibly an English FA acquisition next offseason, possibly Flynn coming on board to take over the main ruck role this year, or possibly a down year in 2024 for him after failing to adapt/impress as a FWD again, i've got a feeling it'll happen. These days, after the season he's just had in 2023, he's going to kick up quite the fuss if the FWD thing isn't working out by mid year and Flynn is doing his job as a ruck and Bailey gets dropped to the WAFL.

Definitely a watch this space for mine.

The one thing about Bailey is his draft value increased this year and we would at least get a reasonable pick for him.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Given the crop at 4-6 for next year it’s a lot easier to stomach a slide back next year if we finish bottom two

 

[eaglesnutcase]

The one thing about Bailey is his draft value increased this year and we would at least get a reasonable pick for him.

Bloody hell! Draft over so let’s start getting rid of our best players from this year!
Big mark,mobile, aggressive and with confidence high; why wouldn’t we plonk him at FF?
OA needs to move up the ground with space to roam.
Our plethora of small forwards will love having somebody big enough to throw their weight around and compete with the Andrews and Mays of this world.

 

[eaglevision]

Early prediction: Ross Lyon pisses Lance Collard off so much that he asks for a trade home to WA. Ross asks for Sandringham’s Harvey Johnston back in return.

 

[briztoon]

Lumping SA and WA into having the same advantages as Vic clubs is incorrect.

And the Northern clubs have natural advantages over WA as a football state as well. Just look at the number of quality Victorians who have been more than happy to move to NSW and Qld.

How many gun Victorian players have moved to a WA club? I can't think of a single one.

Daniher
Locket
Hall
Franklin
Grundy
Dunkley
Charlie Cameron (not Vic but not born in Qld).

Find it somewhat disengenuous when posters from Northern states bundle WA ans SA as having the same advantages as Victorians. And rarely admit their state has natural advantages other Non Victorian states don't.

I wasn’t saying you have the same advantages. But there are advantages for all the traditional footy states that the Northern clubs find it very hard to match.

Yes, we have made ourselves a destination club for those wanting to get out of the footy bubble.

 

[Farang83150]

Bloody hell! Draft over so let’s start getting rid of our best players from this year!
Big mark,mobile, aggressive and with confidence high; why wouldn’t we plonk him at FF?
OA needs to move up the ground with space to roam.
Our plethora of small forwards will love having somebody big enough to throw their weight around and compete with the Andrews and Mays of this world.

Nothing wrong with discussion, BW is a really interesting watch next season as to how he's used and how he goes.
He came on leaps and bounds this year so hopefully continues the upward trajectory.
As someone already stated the ruck merry-go-round can be an absolute gold mine in some cases.