List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[UseR2006]

God help us when we need to resign Ginbey, Hewett and Reid at the same time when they’re in their mid 20s

Still have Gaff, Sheed, Gov, Darling to come off the books so by the time Ginbey, Hewett and Reid are coming into the contract frame we'll have plenty of money to splash around.

 

[Kegs15]

Still have Gaff, Sheed, Gov, Darling to come off the books so by the time Ginbey, Hewett and Reid are coming into the contract frame we'll have plenty of money to splash around.

It's awkward with the timing though - Gaff you'd be expecting to finish up end of next year, Gov and Darling year after, even if a year after that Reid's first contract will still be going.

We'll have plenty of money purely based on not having many senior players to actually warrant paying a lot - but I'd be worried about the balance of when it's all timed. Will IMO need a few of our WA based players to accept unders or accept low contracts for future increases that will at most be handshake agreements (risky/nervous) as well as a bit of clever staggering of when and where we load each contract - think our salary management will become increasingly important as we go forward in this next 2-4 years.

 

[mattyc75]

It's awkward with the timing though - Gaff if be expecting to finish up end of next year, Gov and Darling year after, even if a year after that Reid's first contract will still be going.

We'll have plenty of money purely based on not having many senior players to actually warrant paying a lot - but I'd be worried about the balance of when it's all timed. Will IMO need a few of our WA based players to accept unders or accept low contracts for future increases that will at most be handshake agreements (risky/nervous) as well as a bit of clever staggering of when and where we load each contract - think our salary management will become increasingly important as we go forward in this next 2-4 years.

Cant be as bad as gold coast salary cap pressure will be by the time their 4 first rounders come out of contract

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[ep2018]

imo teams are spooked that, with a good run with injury and natural improvement, we will finish higher next season than all the numpties on Bigfooty, reddit and the media think we will finish, hence diluting the pick.

 

[Keys]

PICK PURCHASING

Anyone who watches Gettable with be aware that both Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge have been pushing the concept of pick purchasing.

In essence it’s the ability for teams to trade excess cap space and is seen as a way for clubs lower on the ladder, theoretically with less good players to pay, to attract additional talent by trading that space to clubs higher up with salary cap pressure

There’s risks as often these sort of schemes seem to find a way of helping successful (usually Victorian) clubs at the expense of perennially struggling clubs. The main danger is clubs getting stuck in a loop of selling off cap space, getting picks for draftees but then losing them to clubs using the cap space they’ve sold

Regardless, the AFL are said to be keen on introducing it as early as next year which potentially could be very good timing for us

Our salary cap position

It’s not entirely clear but our salary cap is on the cusp of transforming from under pressure to North Melbourne/Essendon war chest levels. With 2024 being the last year before it opens up

As it stands we have 20 players coming out of contract next year and a further 17 in 2025. There are only 7 players contracted beyond 2025 - Long, Reid, Hewett, Flynn and Brockman in 2026 plus Barrass and Ginbey in 2027

The big dollar contracts signed whilst in our premiership window have either ended already (McGovern, Shuey, Naitanui) or are coming to an end - Gaff and Yeo in 2024, Kelly and Darling in 2025

In addition to the above, the weakness in our list structure (lots of young players and a group of veterans with a void in between) becomes an advantage with our salary cap in the medium term. Our veterans will either be retiring or continuing on reduced contracts whilst recent draftees won’t be at that mid twenties age when the big contracts are signed until 2027 onward. The players we do have in their mid twenties, other than Allen aren’t likely to be commanding big contracts

In short we’re going to have plenty of cap space from 2025-27. Handy to have if all of a sudden we can sell off some of that space in the short term especially if we struggle to attract high profile recruits as we swim around the bottom of the ladder

How might it work?

I’ll use the Bulldogs as an example. They’re going to come under pressure to retain the likes of English, JUH and Smith after already signing Naughton to a massive deal

Posters have already identified Busslinger as a potential target next year. Rather than trade away a draft pick to the Bulldogs we sell them a $1m of cap space over 2025/26 that assists them to keep their stars

Or maybe Gold Coast are tight finding space for King, Rowell and Anderson. A R1 (they’ve got three of them) pick for additional space

It might not work but if it comes in, that excess cap space might be better used initially to bring in more young talent than chasing established players on expensive long term deals

 

[Farang83150]

Love the idea of Busslinger coming to WC.

 

[donpyke92]

Lot of talent gets untapped because of ridiculous academy rules.
Shame, we all like to see the best, & we don't get it, really.
*imagine wce academy with reasonable access to development players.
Just an example. Want a better spectacle/game with the best talent, let clubs develop the juniors with fair access.
Our game is missing out ATM. That's really my point. With the resources of WCE, Collingwood etc, imagine the talent that could be unearthed that we wouldn't know.
#Not all talent gets a private school scholarship BTW

 

[donpyke92]

PICK PURCHASING

Anyone who watches Gettable with be aware that both Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge have been pushing the concept of pick purchasing.

In essence it’s the ability for teams to trade excess cap space and is seen as a way for clubs lower on the ladder, theoretically with less good players to pay, to attract additional talent by trading that space to clubs higher up with salary cap pressure

There’s risks as often these sort of schemes seem to find a way of helping successful (usually Victorian) clubs at the expense of perennially struggling clubs. The main danger is clubs getting stuck in a loop of selling off cap space, getting picks for draftees but then losing them to clubs using the cap space they’ve sold

Regardless, the AFL are said to be keen on introducing it as early as next year which potentially could be very good timing for us

Our salary cap position

It’s not entirely clear but our salary cap is on the cusp of transforming from under pressure to North Melbourne/Essendon war chest levels. With 2024 being the last year before it opens up

As it stands we have 20 players coming out of contract next year and a further 17 in 2025. There are only 7 players contracted beyond 2025 - Long, Reid, Hewett, Flynn and Brockman in 2026 plus Barrass and Ginbey in 2027

The big dollar contracts signed whilst in our premiership window have either ended already (McGovern, Shuey, Naitanui) or are coming to an end - Gaff and Yeo in 2024, Kelly and Darling in 2025

In addition to the above, the weakness in our list structure (lots of young players and a group of veterans with a void in between) becomes an advantage with our salary cap in the medium term. Our veterans will either be retiring or continuing on reduced contracts whilst recent draftees won’t be at that mid twenties age when the big contracts are signed until 2027 onward. The players we do have in their mid twenties, other than Allen aren’t likely to be commanding big contracts

In short we’re going to have plenty of cap space from 2025-27. Handy to have if all of a sudden we can sell off some of that space in the short term especially if we struggle to attract high profile recruits as we swim around the bottom of the ladder

How might it work?

I’ll use the Bulldogs as an example. They’re going to come under pressure to retain the likes of English, JUH and Smith after already signing Naughton to a massive deal

Posters have already identified Busslinger as a potential target next year. Rather than trade away a draft pick to the Bulldogs we sell them a $1m of cap space over 2025/26 that assists them to keep their stars

Or maybe Gold Coast are tight finding space for King, Rowell and Anderson. A R1 (they’ve got three of them) pick for additional space

It might not work but if it comes in, that excess cap space might be better used initially to bring in more young talent than chasing established players on expensive long term deals

Fook, and I was hoping the draft would become more simple.
Pardon if I seem rude, but how often does this kind of 'nice intention' AFL stuff/funky ideas rally work?
Thought Brad Scott was coaching Essendon
More complication, more BS manipulation

 

[Coasters7]

PICK PURCHASING

Anyone who watches Gettable with be aware that both Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge have been pushing the concept of pick purchasing.

In essence it’s the ability for teams to trade excess cap space and is seen as a way for clubs lower on the ladder, theoretically with less good players to pay, to attract additional talent by trading that space to clubs higher up with salary cap pressure

There’s risks as often these sort of schemes seem to find a way of helping successful (usually Victorian) clubs at the expense of perennially struggling clubs. The main danger is clubs getting stuck in a loop of selling off cap space, getting picks for draftees but then losing them to clubs using the cap space they’ve sold

Regardless, the AFL are said to be keen on introducing it as early as next year which potentially could be very good timing for us

Our salary cap position

It’s not entirely clear but our salary cap is on the cusp of transforming from under pressure to North Melbourne/Essendon war chest levels. With 2024 being the last year before it opens up

As it stands we have 20 players coming out of contract next year and a further 17 in 2025. There are only 7 players contracted beyond 2025 - Long, Reid, Hewett, Flynn and Brockman in 2026 plus Barrass and Ginbey in 2027

The big dollar contracts signed whilst in our premiership window have either ended already (McGovern, Shuey, Naitanui) or are coming to an end - Gaff and Yeo in 2024, Kelly and Darling in 2025

In addition to the above, the weakness in our list structure (lots of young players and a group of veterans with a void in between) becomes an advantage with our salary cap in the medium term. Our veterans will either be retiring or continuing on reduced contracts whilst recent draftees won’t be at that mid twenties age when the big contracts are signed until 2027 onward. The players we do have in their mid twenties, other than Allen aren’t likely to be commanding big contracts

In short we’re going to have plenty of cap space from 2025-27. Handy to have if all of a sudden we can sell off some of that space in the short term especially if we struggle to attract high profile recruits as we swim around the bottom of the ladder

How might it work?

I’ll use the Bulldogs as an example. They’re going to come under pressure to retain the likes of English, JUH and Smith after already signing Naughton to a massive deal

Posters have already identified Busslinger as a potential target next year. Rather than trade away a draft pick to the Bulldogs we sell them a $1m of cap space over 2025/26 that assists them to keep their stars

Or maybe Gold Coast are tight finding space for King, Rowell and Anderson. A R1 (they’ve got three of them) pick for additional space

It might not work but if it comes in, that excess cap space might be better used initially to bring in more young talent than chasing established players on expensive long term deals

I like the idea if the salary floor has to stay. Will stop teams like North overpaying spuds like Logue and Corr just to fill the cap but then be hamstrung down the line when they’re still paying them off.

The AFL will no doubt find a way to complicate it and f*ck it up leading to unforeseen exploitation.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Lot of water to go under the bridge, but at this stage I'd rank Jagga Smith and Finn O’Sullivan as best two prospects.

Ditto, these two look the most complete options at this time.
Probably Sid Draper the third option.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Surely contracts is an issue whenever you're shit.

Nic Nat and Shuey started together in 2008.
Gaff, Darling, Lycett and Gov in 2010.

We managed it then, we'll manage it again.

Of that lot we lost only Lycett, who it's fair to say was the worst of the lot, and was after a premiership.

Don't think getting too many guns at the same time is a bad thing in any way.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Can players on draftee contracts get a pay rise or are they stuck on base wages for duration of contract?

I recall TK was on base wages at Geelong all the way up until he left.

Harley has a mandatory 3yr contract. Be a bizarre situation when he's winning Brownlows but still on base $100k wages while our other draftees get a pay rise after 2 years.

 

[eaglevision]

Can players on draftee contracts get a pay rise or are they stuck on base wages for duration of contract?

I recall TK was on base wages at Geelong all the way up until he left.

Harley has a mandatory 3yr contract. Be a bizarre situation when he's winning Brownlows but still on base $100k wages while our other draftees get a pay rise after 2 years.

If we play this smart we’ll look to front end big contracts for some of these guys whilst we have cap space provided they continue to show enough to warrant it. No doubt we’ll also stagger some of them like I believe we did with Ginbey and Hewett.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Hi guys hope you don’t mind me posting on your board , Barnett is OOC next year and after missing out on Goad the Crows would be dumb not to enquire
What would you expect /want for him?

 

[Godfather32]

Hi guys hope you don’t mind me posting on your board , Barnett is OOC next year and after missing out on Goad the Crows would be dumb not to enquire
What would you expect /want for him?

Curtin

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Curtin

He could go full JHF after 1 season … hope not but who knows
If that’s the case …your first and Barnett you have a deal

 

[Godfather32]

He could go full JHF after 1 season … hope not but who knows
If that’s the case …your first and Barnett you have a deal

Nah, you had your chance at our 1st and you passed, best I can do is Rotham

 

[eaglevision]

Hi guys hope you don’t mind me posting on your board , Barnett is OOC next year and after missing out on Goad the Crows would be dumb not to enquire
What would you expect /want for him?

Asking about Curtin or Charlie Edwards with some pick swaps would probably be the response. Pretty hard to comment without knowing where the picks are falling, will have a much better idea midway though next year. No doubt Crows would be looking at trading out picks rather than players though.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Hi guys hope you don’t mind me posting on your board , Barnett is OOC next year and after missing out on Goad the Crows would be dumb not to enquire
What would you expect /want for him?

Imagine it would be Curtin for Barnett + Future 2nd rounder type deal.

 

[squashface]

Can players on draftee contracts get a pay rise or are they stuck on base wages for duration of contract?

I recall TK was on base wages at Geelong all the way up until he left.

Harley has a mandatory 3yr contract. Be a bizarre situation when he's winning Brownlows but still on base $100k wages while our other draftees get a pay rise after 2 years.

I believe the third year can be negotiated for a pay rise

 

[bombard]

PICK PURCHASING

Anyone who watches Gettable with be aware that both Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge have been pushing the concept of pick purchasing.

In essence it’s the ability for teams to trade excess cap space and is seen as a way for clubs lower on the ladder, theoretically with less good players to pay, to attract additional talent by trading that space to clubs higher up with salary cap pressure

There’s risks as often these sort of schemes seem to find a way of helping successful (usually Victorian) clubs at the expense of perennially struggling clubs. The main danger is clubs getting stuck in a loop of selling off cap space, getting picks for draftees but then losing them to clubs using the cap space they’ve sold

Regardless, the AFL are said to be keen on introducing it as early as next year which potentially could be very good timing for us

Our salary cap position

It’s not entirely clear but our salary cap is on the cusp of transforming from under pressure to North Melbourne/Essendon war chest levels. With 2024 being the last year before it opens up

As it stands we have 20 players coming out of contract next year and a further 17 in 2025. There are only 7 players contracted beyond 2025 - Long, Reid, Hewett, Flynn and Brockman in 2026 plus Barrass and Ginbey in 2027

The big dollar contracts signed whilst in our premiership window have either ended already (McGovern, Shuey, Naitanui) or are coming to an end - Gaff and Yeo in 2024, Kelly and Darling in 2025

In addition to the above, the weakness in our list structure (lots of young players and a group of veterans with a void in between) becomes an advantage with our salary cap in the medium term. Our veterans will either be retiring or continuing on reduced contracts whilst recent draftees won’t be at that mid twenties age when the big contracts are signed until 2027 onward. The players we do have in their mid twenties, other than Allen aren’t likely to be commanding big contracts

In short we’re going to have plenty of cap space from 2025-27. Handy to have if all of a sudden we can sell off some of that space in the short term especially if we struggle to attract high profile recruits as we swim around the bottom of the ladder

How might it work?

I’ll use the Bulldogs as an example. They’re going to come under pressure to retain the likes of English, JUH and Smith after already signing Naughton to a massive deal

Posters have already identified Busslinger as a potential target next year. Rather than trade away a draft pick to the Bulldogs we sell them a $1m of cap space over 2025/26 that assists them to keep their stars

Or maybe Gold Coast are tight finding space for King, Rowell and Anderson. A R1 (they’ve got three of them) pick for additional space

It might not work but if it comes in, that excess cap space might be better used initially to bring in more young talent than chasing established players on expensive long term deals

First, the serious but: your analysis has been a bloody pleasure to read over the trade and draft periods. Thank you mate.

Second, I made this for you.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Hi guys hope you don’t mind me posting on your board , Barnett is OOC next year and after missing out on Goad the Crows would be dumb not to enquire
What would you expect /want for him?

Curtin.

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[eaglevision]

Hi guys hope you don’t mind me posting on your board , Barnett is OOC next year and after missing out on Goad the Crows would be dumb not to enquire
What would you expect /want for him?

On a side note any interest in swapping all your Edwards for all our Edwards in a 2 for 1 deal including a father son kicker?

 

[sey666]

What super is to Noah Long is the same as what spook is to ep2018, who says no?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Will 2024 or 2025 be Darlings last year?
If he plays every game he'll get to 300 in 2024. Does he call it done at that point or go for one more year?

I would expect 2025...

Another cull at the end of this year. I am expecting x5 players (under pressure Gaff, Ledwards, Hedwards, Foley, ??) and we need the likes of Darling, Sheed, Yeo, Mcgovern, Cripps to hang around long enough not to expose the kids to unbearable levels.

PICK PURCHASING

Anyone who watches Gettable with be aware that both Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge have been pushing the concept of pick purchasing.

In essence it’s the ability for teams to trade excess cap space and is seen as a way for clubs lower on the ladder, theoretically with less good players to pay, to attract additional talent by trading that space to clubs higher up with salary cap pressure

There’s risks as often these sort of schemes seem to find a way of helping successful (usually Victorian) clubs at the expense of perennially struggling clubs. The main danger is clubs getting stuck in a loop of selling off cap space, getting picks for draftees but then losing them to clubs using the cap space they’ve sold

Regardless, the AFL are said to be keen on introducing it as early as next year which potentially could be very good timing for us

Our salary cap position

It’s not entirely clear but our salary cap is on the cusp of transforming from under pressure to North Melbourne/Essendon war chest levels. With 2024 being the last year before it opens up

As it stands we have 20 players coming out of contract next year and a further 17 in 2025. There are only 7 players contracted beyond 2025 - Long, Reid, Hewett, Flynn and Brockman in 2026 plus Barrass and Ginbey in 2027

The big dollar contracts signed whilst in our premiership window have either ended already (McGovern, Shuey, Naitanui) or are coming to an end - Gaff and Yeo in 2024, Kelly and Darling in 2025

In addition to the above, the weakness in our list structure (lots of young players and a group of veterans with a void in between) becomes an advantage with our salary cap in the medium term. Our veterans will either be retiring or continuing on reduced contracts whilst recent draftees won’t be at that mid twenties age when the big contracts are signed until 2027 onward. The players we do have in their mid twenties, other than Allen aren’t likely to be commanding big contracts

In short we’re going to have plenty of cap space from 2025-27. Handy to have if all of a sudden we can sell off some of that space in the short term especially if we struggle to attract high profile recruits as we swim around the bottom of the ladder

How might it work?

I’ll use the Bulldogs as an example. They’re going to come under pressure to retain the likes of English, JUH and Smith after already signing Naughton to a massive deal

Posters have already identified Busslinger as a potential target next year. Rather than trade away a draft pick to the Bulldogs we sell them a $1m of cap space over 2025/26 that assists them to keep their stars

Or maybe Gold Coast are tight finding space for King, Rowell and Anderson. A R1 (they’ve got three of them) pick for additional space

It might not work but if it comes in, that excess cap space might be better used initially to bring in more young talent than chasing established players on expensive long term deals

I dont know about this, just seems like we cant disturb the market and instead find a way to help clubs instead of shaking loose the kids (Busslinger). Is this another NBA or NFL thing?