List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency - Fred 11

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Updated Picks As Of October 15th

 

[Football Tragic]

I don't think some people understand this draft pool. It lacks stars so getting pick 1 is probably little better than getting pick 5. What it does have though, is quality depth. The first 30 players are all quality so, this year, it is far better to have MORE early picks in the top 30 than have EARLY picks. Trading out picks would be a mistake in this draft - its why West Coast were willing to trade out pick 3

 

[UpTheGutz]

No !!

How about now?

 

[TiggerMan22]

We will struggle to hit the 95% cap rule. Salary cap integrity is far more important than just the 2 mil number. Realistically, who in the side deserve the next big payday now that Balta is signed?

Gibcus has the air of injury clouding over any future contracts and then......

Doubt that. Taranto and Hopper or on very large contracts for another 5 years each. We would front load those very heavily so their salarys will be nice and manageable in a few years when. It matters.

Baltas 7 years contract also gives a lot of money to front load.

I like the idea of getting better picks by paying some salary, but in reality that rarely happens. And I think in our case, its better to get a slightly worse pick and front load the **** out of those large long contracts. That will put us in an unbelievable good position in a few years when we're paying Balta, Hopper and Taranto well under their worth while all our young draftees start getting bigger paydays.

 

[djspank]

Eagles supporters going well atmo

 

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Its that fool _RT_

 

[Steely Brown Eye]

Yep.

10, 11 and 18 for Bolton and their picks of any two purple dildos in the shop.

just quietly, is this shop of yours open to the public?

 

[guruisatiger]

So many people in this world you wonder how they manage to breathe while they sleep

I don't breathe I have gills

 

[Football Tragic]

Doubt that. Taranto and Hopper or on very large contracts for another 5 years each. We would front load those very heavily so their salarys will be nice and manageable in a few years when. It matters.

Baltas 7 years contract also gives a lot of money to front load.

I like the idea of getting better picks by paying some salary, but in reality that rarely happens. And I think in our case, its better to get a slightly worse pick and front load the **** out of those large long contracts. That will put us in an unbelievable good position in a few years when we're paying Balta, Hopper and Taranto well under their worth while all our young draftees start getting bigger paydays.

Unfortunately, that's often when they leave for another club - when they've already earned the big bucks at the start of their front loaded contracts.

 

[TiggerMan22]

You are letting Bolton go and paying some salary or giving a decent pick upgrade back for the 12th and 13th highest rated kids in the draft. It doesn't matter how many of those were unavailable to us, OR WHAT YOU CALL THE PICKS. Call them picks 1 & 2 for all I care, but let's acknowledge they are getting you the 12th and 13th highest rated players in the draft.

It is straight out wrong to say matched bid players don't devalue the picks behind them. Of course they do, if the bids are made genuinely, the AFL eco-system is more or less telling you that in your scenario, you have the 5th best player in the draft rather than the first. You have 4 higher rated players playing against you. This does not have the value of pick 1 in any sense.

Go back to the 2016 draft. McLuggage, possibly English, Tom Stewart are the only players who would have a value anywhere near Bolton's from that draft. And he is the youngest of them, and I would argue the best and most valuable. The 12th and 13th players taken in that draft were named Simpkin and Venables. Let's go through the 12th and 13th in every draft since....

2017 Fogarty & Brander
2018 Butters & Quaynor
2019 Pickett & Day
2020 Bruhn & Powell
2021 Sinn & Hobbs
2022 Fletcher & Busslinger
2023 Gothard & Tholstrup

and a few drafts before....

2015 C Curnow & Kennedy
2014 C Ellis & Weller
2013 Lennon & Cripps
2012 Jaksch & Lonergan
2011 Docherty & Taylor Adams

So 13 years of the 12 & 13th player taken in the draft - what we are probably surrendering peak 25yo Bolton for.

2018 you would definitely trade Bolton for.

2019, 2015, 2013 you probably would trade Bolton for.

2011 some might, I wouldn't.

Let's hold fire on 2022 & 2023, too early to judge fairly.

2016, 2017, 2020, 2021, 2012, 2014 you are defiitely NOT trading Bolton for.

So all in all this(the 12th and 13th picks in a draft) looks roughly fair value for Bolton on average, no salary paid, no other picks involved.

But here we own him on a long contract, and may look at paying some salary. It is thought this draft has better depth in the first round than most, but I am not sure how much that is worth. Bolton has a couple of his best years expired so maybe a small discount for that.

I just don't think we even discuss anything under 12 & 13 with no encumbrances. Just keep him if they don't want to pay at least that. If we want more, then try to leverage their desperation at the risk of missing out on a fair deal. But if a fair deal is all you are missing out on, then you aren't missing much.

Sorry but I don't know what the point of looking at past drafts is when this draft seems to be historically deep?

Also looking at player taken only at those picks makes no sense. With those picks you have access to those players and every player taken afterwards. Realistically you should at least by looking at a list of the 5-10 players taken after that pick as guys that would be a chance to be selected.

 

[docko911]

Eagles supporters going well atmo

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Partying at 11am on Tuesday, must be a meth head

 

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Blame Twomey for the spreadsheet being out of whack, the campaigner said that the Rioli trade would be done this morning along with the Baker trade, so while I was on the shitter I updated it and posted it so you campaigners aren't waiting for it to be updated.

 

[guruisatiger]

Tom Morris 100% has a big footy account. Most likely on this board as we speak, Hey Tom!

I'm not Tom I failed my liquor licence

 

[U2tigers]

Sorry but I don't know what the point of looking at past drafts is when this draft seems to be historically deep?

Also looking at player taken only at those picks makes no sense. With those picks you have access to those players and every player taken afterwards. Realistically you should at least by looking at a list of the 5-10 players taken after that pick as guys that would be a chance to be selected.

Do you mean Futuristically deep?

 

[Wally Matera]

I don't think some people understand this draft pool. It lacks stars so getting pick 1 is probably little better than getting pick 5. What it does have though, is quality depth. The first 30 players are all quality so, this year, it is far better to have MORE early picks in the top 30 than have EARLY picks. Trading out picks would be a mistake in this draft - its why West Coast were willing to trade out pick 3

Bang on. I'd rather take 8 players that every other club has to froth over.

Imagine what Essendon, West Coast, North, StKilda, Adelaide would do to get our draft hand. They've had to skank it up for decades to get nowhere near the options we've got. I'm not trading any ****ing pick unless an absolute worldy comes in.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Laughed so hard at this

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Eagles supporters going well atmo

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How they gunna cope when Matty Clarke takes <180cm HB Flankers with what picks they have left .

 

[Tigerbob]

I wonder if we can tempt them with Thomson Dow? Get Matty Clarke whilst he’s hot

 

[Tigerturbulance]

I don't think some people understand this draft pool. It lacks stars so getting pick 1 is probably little better than getting pick 5. What it does have though, is quality depth. The first 30 players are all quality so, this year, it is far better to have MORE early picks in the top 30 than have EARLY picks. Trading out picks would be a mistake in this draft - its why West Coast were willing to trade out pick 3

so you would have been happy if we traded with Carlton and done this

Carlton​

Receives: Picks 1
Gives up: picks 12, 14 and 73

Richmond​

Receives: Picks 12, 14 and 73


I don't think you would and if we had done this you would know how the eagle fans are feeling right now

 

[prodigy]

I get this weird sensation of feeling physically ill whenever I hear Carlton have earmarked FOS for pick 3 and they wouldn't have traded up if they didn't think they could get him.

 

[guruisatiger]

Every pick swap is there. 20 from Lions is there. Essadon trade with Melbourne is there.

Pretty much gospel if its from that mod, LORE

RT re posted the refreshed version early this morning

2025 would be getting updated too

Lorde is miles behind

 

[Tigerbob]

I get this weird sensation of feeling physically ill whenever I hear Carlton have earmarked FOS for pick 3 and they wouldn't have traded up if they didn't think they could get him.

They’ve guaranteed themselves a chance to get one of Finn O’Sullivan, Sam Lalor, Jagga Smith or Sid Draper.

Yes they may have a preference or rank one higher but guaranteeing one of these is why they did it.

 

[tigs2010]

Unfortunately, that's often when they leave for another club - when they've already earned the big bucks at the start of their front loaded contracts.

Pay 90% of Hoppers contract next year. All sorts of problems resolved

 

[SnakeMan86]

Blame Twomey for the spreadsheet being out of whack, the campaigner said that the Rioli trade would be done this morning along with the Baker trade, so while I was on the shitter I updated it and posted it so you campaigners aren't waiting for it to be updated.

Ahhh, another classic "Bigfooty on the shitter" stitch up.

 

[prodigy]

They’ve guaranteed themselves a chance to get one of Finn O’Sullivan, Sam Lalor, Jagga Smith or Sid Draper.

Yes they may have a preference or rank one higher but guaranteeing one of these is why they did it.

Bob, we need pick 2. I'll be so bloody flat if we don't get it.

 

[Tigerturbulance]

I get this weird sensation of feeling physically ill whenever I hear Carlton have earmarked FOS for pick 3 and they wouldn't have traded up if they didn't think they could get him.

they want Laylor and are trying to make us use pick 1 on FOS, their sneaky fockers them bluebaggers