List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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List Mgmt. - Trade & Free Agency Part 9

Gibcus fwd. So want to see more of this.

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[Tigerbob]

The silver lining to a possible 20-year low for the yellow and black army

Richmond premiership player Liam Baker will consider his options closer to the end of the season, with offers from three clubs in front of him. But the Tigers have enough collateral to reset their list under Adem Yze.

www.theage.com.au

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The silver lining to a possible 20-year low for the yellow and black army

Richmond premiership player Liam Baker will consider his options closer to the end of the season, with offers from three clubs in front of him. But the Tigers have enough collateral to reset their list under Adem Yze.

www.theage.com.au

Anyone get this article up?

If Richmond remain on the bottom of the ladder, they could hold the No.1 selection in the national draft for the first time since 2004 when they selected Brett Deledio.

A percentage gap of just 1.1 keeps them below North Melbourne after 17 games, with both clubs having won two games so far in 2024, meaning their round 21 clash looms as the decider.

Not that winning that prized pick is as important this season, with no Harley Reid in a draft pool that is dominated by an even spread of talented Victorian midfielders.


The Tigers are going to get a quality player with an early selection regardless of where they finish, but they have also set themselves up for a fresh era under Adem Yze after having one last dip under Damien Hardwick before the premiership coach jumped ship midway through last year.

Newly appointed recruiting manager Chris Toce, who graduated from St Kilda, has joined the highly regarded Blair Hartley with five picks inside pick 41, which, right now, are picks 1, 21, 34, 39 and 41.

Depending on the draft rules, they could also use later picks 52, 57, 63 and 66 to either find a nugget late, or package them up to push higher up the draft, as was their plan when they traded during last year’s national draft under the assumption the rules would not change for at least a year.

They also have some natural movement potentially occurring, which will bolster their access to some ‘new toys’ for Hardwick’s replacement to develop.

Liam Baker has offers from Richmond, West Coast and Fremantle to consider at season’s end, with the Tigers aware that, although he loves Punt Road, the pull of home is strong. If Baker, who continues to play well, leaves, a pick in the teens (somewhere around a baker’s dozen) would be a possible return. The Dockers have the draft collateral to satisfy such a need, and knowledge the Eagles have a higher pick in the pre-season draft will help encourage Fremantle to be realistic.

West Coast don’t have picks in the mid-teens, but the Tigers’ former recruiter Matt Clarke would probably have to find a way to make that happen if Baker wanted to become an Eagle.

Turning a rookie selection 18 at the end of a premiership year into a dual-premiership player worth a pick in the teens (if he left seven years later) is good business.

Dustin Martin by the numbers

A modern-day great and one of the icons of the Richmond Football Club, Dustin Martin is just the seventh player to reach 300 games for the famous yellow and black, following in the footsteps of Jack Dyer, Kevin Bartlett, Francis Bourke, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards, and Trent Cotchin.

Height:Round 1, 2010 (versus Carlton at the MCG)

Norm Smith Medals:

Unsigned veteran Dion Prestia showed on Sunday how important he is to the team as it regenerates and is a strong chance to continue, while skipper Toby Nankervis re-signed this year too. Nothing would surprise with Dustin Martin, but a move to the Gold Coast is possible – albeit with compensation likely to be minimal – while Jack Graham is yet to extend. If either of them leave, another pick, potentially in the second round, is possible, with any compensation for Martin to be based on his new contract, not his past achievements.

The Suns are keeping an eye on Daniel Rioli, but finding a way to secure a valuable contracted player is easier said than done, while Yze bolted the door on Bolton leaving at a recent media conference. There are only so many players you can afford to lose, and there are only so many a club can gain at one time.

Samson Ryan recently re-signed while the improving Hugo Ralphsmith will stay too. The unsigned Thomson Dow’s future is unclear as the emerging midfielder battles for opportunity.

Although the Tigers overpaid for Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, they are both handy acquisitions at their age – 28 and 27 respectively at the start of next season – as they bring steel to a team that has carried their injury list like a barnacle on a ship’s hull in Yze’s first season as coach.

Re-emerging from the bottom is not easy, with Carlton the most recent wooden spooner to make the finals after finishing bottom in 2018. With an early pick, a new CEO to replace Brendon Gale (the most important decision the club will make in the next 12 months), and talented players in the middle of their careers, Richmond return to where they were 20 years ago with a few success stories to draw upon when the army’s faith is tested.

 

[Tigerbob]

If Richmond remain on the bottom of the ladder, they could hold the No.1 selection in the national draft for the first time since 2004 when they selected Brett Deledio.

A percentage gap of just 1.1 keeps them below North Melbourne after 17 games, with both clubs having won two games so far in 2024, meaning their round 21 clash looms as the decider.

Not that winning that prized pick is as important this season, with no Harley Reid in a draft pool that is dominated by an even spread of talented Victorian midfielders.

A knee reconstruction set back Josh Gibcus’ development, but he has shown his class as a defender. CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS

The Tigers are going to get a quality player with an early selection regardless of where they finish, but they have also set themselves up for a fresh era under Adem Yze after having one last dip under Damien Hardwick before the premiership coach jumped ship midway through last year.

Newly appointed recruiting manager Chris Toce, who graduated from St Kilda, has joined the highly regarded Blair Hartley with five picks inside pick 41, which, right now, are picks 1, 21, 34, 39 and 41.

Depending on the draft rules, they could also use later picks 52, 57, 63 and 66 to either find a nugget late, or package them up to push higher up the draft, as was their plan when they traded during last year’s national draft under the assumption the rules would not change for at least a year.

They also have some natural movement potentially occurring, which will bolster their access to some ‘new toys’ for Hardwick’s replacement to develop.

Liam Baker has offers from Richmond, West Coast and Fremantle to consider at season’s end, with the Tigers aware that, although he loves Punt Road, the pull of home is strong. If Baker, who continues to play well, leaves, a pick in the teens (somewhere around a baker’s dozen) would be a possible return. The Dockers have the draft collateral to satisfy such a need, and knowledge the Eagles have a higher pick in the pre-season draft will help encourage Fremantle to be realistic.

West Coast don’t have picks in the mid-teens, but the Tigers’ former recruiter Matt Clarke would probably have to find a way to make that happen if Baker wanted to become an Eagle.

Turning a rookie selection 18 at the end of a premiership year into a dual-premiership player worth a pick in the teens (if he left seven years later) is good business.

Dustin Martin by the numbers

A modern-day great and one of the icons of the Richmond Football Club, Dustin Martin is just the seventh player to reach 300 games for the famous yellow and black, following in the footsteps of Jack Dyer, Kevin Bartlett, Francis Bourke, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards, and Trent Cotchin.

Height:Round 1, 2010 (versus Carlton at the MCG)

Norm Smith Medals:

Unsigned veteran Dion Prestia showed on Sunday how important he is to the team as it regenerates and is a strong chance to continue, while skipper Toby Nankervis re-signed this year too. Nothing would surprise with Dustin Martin, but a move to the Gold Coast is possible – albeit with compensation likely to be minimal – while Jack Graham is yet to extend. If either of them leave, another pick, potentially in the second round, is possible, with any compensation for Martin to be based on his new contract, not his past achievements.

If Liam Baker decides to return to Western Australia, the Tigers could land a pick in the teens, giving them a strong hand in a strong draft.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

The Suns are keeping an eye on Daniel Rioli, but finding a way to secure a valuable contracted player is easier said than done, while Yze bolted the door on Bolton leaving at a recent media conference. There are only so many players you can afford to lose, and there are only so many a club can gain at one time.

Samson Ryan recently re-signed while the improving Hugo Ralphsmith will stay too. The unsigned Thomson Dow’s future is unclear as the emerging midfielder battles for opportunity.

Although the Tigers overpaid for Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, they are both handy acquisitions at their age – 28 and 27 respectively at the start of next season – as they bring steel to a team that has carried their injury list like a barnacle on a ship’s hull in Yze’s first season as coach.

Re-emerging from the bottom is not easy, with Carlton the most recent wooden spooner to make the finals after finishing bottom in 2018. With an early pick, a new CEO to replace Brendon Gale (the most important decision the club will make in the next 12 months), and talented players in the middle of their careers, Richmond return to where they were 20 years ago with a few success stories to draw upon when the army’s faith is tested.

Thanks mate.

 

[Tigerbob]

Trading Rioli and Baker plus change and getting picks 8, 9 & 10 and a future second would be transformative.

 

[beema limapep]

 

[tunksy]

Trading Rioli and Baker plus change and getting picks 8, 9 & 10 and a future second would be transformative.

while holding pick 1 or 2 too.

would hope we nail it

 

[Drunken Wookie]

worried no one leaves now and no one wants to trade in our late picks. get one good player, a bunch of speculative picks. would totally derail us.

 

[Willo_23]

Yeah the Talking Tigers boys mentioned yesterday that he'll play 3 games which I think is the max?

 

[Morro]

Yeah the Talking Tigers boys mentioned yesterday that he'll play 3 games which I think is the max?

Stupid question, but do we seek out the kids we want to see play in our VFL, or is AFL instructed / zoned?

 

[SA_Tiger11]

Bakers gone isn’t he?

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Bakers gone isn’t he?

Allegedly.

 

[tigs2010]

Stupid question, but do we seek out the kids we want to see play in our VFL, or is AFL instructed / zoned?

Think it's zoned.

 

[Morro]

Bakers gone isn’t he?

Far too much smoke and not enough ink tells me hes already decided to go.

Well that and his form drop off, reckon he's struggling with the pressure.

 

[Magic17]

Bakers gone isn’t he?

certainly playing like he is!

 

[Cam Payner]

worried no one leaves now and no one wants to trade in our late picks. get one good player, a bunch of speculative picks. would totally derail us.

"No-one left , no-one wanted trade in their late picks, they got one good player who was poached by Tasmania two years later and the club was eventually relocated to Darwin some years after that, their dynasty but a distant and faded memory..."

 

[RFCGloryJC]

No way known Bolton is going.
An essential player.

 

[Barunga Bullet]

Far too much smoke and not enough ink tells me hes already decided to go.

Well that and his form drop off, reckon he's struggling with the pressure.

The last 2 weeks he's played mostly as a forward. Prior to that he was playing a lot in the middle. It could either be that with the other mids back that they can't give him minutes in there or he's told the club he's leaving

 

[db26]

Baker was good as gone months ago.

 

[Tigerbob]

Think Baker and Rioli go. Pretty sure Graham as well.

Think Bolton stays.

 

[Mr Magic]

It sickens me some players do not want to win premierships.

At least Dusty got the job done.

If your not winning premierships you are preparing to win premierships and if you not doing that what the hell are they doing wasting everybody's time including their kids?

Some people want to play tennis with a toothpick, where does the entitlement come from?? If you want success go and chase it!!! Why hold people back from their dreams?

I look at a guy like Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, the poor guy has won nothing, brownlows count for nothing in my book, may as well he fishing for carp

Each of Dusty's norm smiths have so much more value than any brownlow medal he achieved no matter how he won it


I am watching a replay of RFC v GWS played on the weekend at the moment. You want to know what I am focusing on?
How we(RFC) win our next premiership, nothing else matters

Ralphsmith kicked a ball high and Nank marked the ball and will kick a guy. What is relevant to me is how Ralphsmith helps us win our next premierships and hopefully more. How long can Nank go for? Can he help us win another premiership? Nank kicked a point. That is okay, can't be perfect all the time but the focus always on our next premierships, something we can control or influence

 

[tigs2010]

Think Baker and Rioli go. Pretty sure Graham as well.

Think Bolton stays.

Hearing anything on Rioli or just a hunch?

 

[tunksy]

Think Baker and Rioli go. Pretty sure Graham as well.

Think Bolton stays.

hoping we still get a 2nd rounder for graham. could be handy if some players slide in the draft

 

[Danog]

Paying half a mill for a player to play elsewhere, no thanks. What happens when a gun player becomes available and we cant throw our hat in the ring because we are funding another teams flags, vomit.

I'm not saying to do it for the whole contract.

For example, if we paid a big part of Bolton / Rioli's salary for 2025 and 2026, when we should be rebuilding and paying draftee wages, we could get a much better trade compensation from Freo / Gold Coast and get another gun kid in the first round.

By only paying in 2025 and 2026, we have a big amount of cap space that opens up when Max King becomes a free agent at the end of 2026 (when we'll hopefully be on the upswing and can get him for free), OR if our draftees this year / next turn out to be superstars, we have a lot of cash to throw at them when it comes time to extend their contract.

 

[Profop]

Stupid question, but do we seek out the kids we want to see play in our VFL, or is AFL instructed / zoned?

AFL instructed. Pretty sure Jagga has been a player that was nominated to train with us in the preseason and I’m sure we don’t get to select who we want to train with us

 

[captain cotch 9]

Far too much smoke and not enough ink tells me hes already decided to go.

Well that and his form drop off, reckon he's struggling with the pressure.

ooze pretty much said as much the other week