Unoriginal Collingwood bagging thread

[taff wa]

But there would be no more trolling because of their capitulation in another grand final.


And no more saying Collingwood supporters are feral cos there wouldnt be any etc.


And who would be living in the past if you had to and troll about stuff that happened in time gone by.

Wouldnt you all still like Collingwood to be in it to fail time and time again.

 

[PiedPiper]

Originally posted by taff wa
Oh and this is funny.

Things we all know and yet another thread has to be started just to talk about COLLINGWOOD.

Its good, even with they are playing pathetic they still get talked about just as much.

...face it lovelies, you would all be bored ****less without them.....and quite frankly, you'd miss them if they were to go

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by MarkT
Can't agree at all. Successful long term planning is not getting to be crap in the first place. The very essence of the issue is that successful long term planning leads to a run down mediocre list unless you are exceptionally good and exceptionally lucky. If not you have to plan to be very crap to ever get back up the ladder and you have to accept being crap for a number of years if you want to build a potential premiership team.

It isn't so cut and dried MarkT. Football has been cyclical for almost every team, depending on the rules in place at the time. So what if the long term planning eventually leads to a diminution of talent. I am sure that the long term planning of the Roo's would have brought a smile to their fans faces. 8 consequtive PF's, three GF's and two flags is a good return in anyones language. If they are down a little now, oh well load up and go again.
I hope my club can emulate the Kangaroos before we start declining.

That's not long term planning that's resorting to being crap because long term planning is deliberately handcuffed so you can't stay very good regardless of how well you run your club.

Why not? If you actively trade you can stay powerful for many years. Look at Essendon. they have been powerful over 25 years. Dont blame incompetance on the system when it can be shown that it can be done.

Positive effect as measured against what? Attendance stats with more games over a greater spread? ratings for timeslots that weren't there before? That's AFL speak Joffa. The way I see it we have more clubs in more danger than ever before and a widenning gulf. We have clubs accepting mediocrity in the name of drafting. How is that a positive?

Again cliche's. the proof is in the pudding MarkT. Attendances up, revenue up, membership up, TV ratings up. Victorians have had pockets of malcontents and disgruntled supporters since the Swans moved to Sydney. The naysayers have been proven wrong on almost every occassion. The way i see it is that without the AFL there would be more than one VFL club gone (and another relocated). the AFL growing the sport and making it prosper like never before. If so of the traditional power teams have to toe the line like the rest of the competition, so be it.

Take a look on BigFooty and tell me what the proportion of positive to negatove threads is. Is this reflective of the wider public views? probably not but if it is then we are in strife.

Obviously not. Example last weeks games. 5 out of 8 sold out. Have a look on foxfooty at the crowds during the 80's featuring teams like Collingwood and others. The crowds were extremely small in comparision.

AFL is going along very nicely if the KPI's are taken into account.

Most importantly I don't think a system where the worst get the best reward and the whole competition relies on a rigged draw and a few teams to win TV dollars for prime slots is sustainable.

Why? The facts tell a completely different story. It is becoming more sustainable every season.

That isn’t directly related to the draft but it’s all part of farcical equalization which in the end is merely maintenance of status quo. I should be defending this as my club has its relative place of strength assured for all time. That’s a joke in itself and that IS un Australian.

Again why? Equalisation is not farcical at all. 16 teams make up the AFL and the broadcast rights are sold on that basis..... you know the rest I wont go into a half page spiel.

No it isn't at all. The way of the world, for millions of years in fact, is that you fight for yourself and you are not prevented from matching the competition by external constraints when you are otherwise equiped to compete.

Mark, I dont know when you lived in such a state you describe. It would one of total anarchy. Would you also like to abolish the ACCC, the DPP, the police and all govt instrumentalities as well??
It is a silly way to look at the AFL. It is supposed to be a competition not just in name but in practice. How long would your "strong" club last in an open market with 6-8 other clubs gone to the wall? The market would be in complete retraction, meaning less money, less supporters, and less quality as the potential players drift of to RL or RU or Soccer or Tennis or Golf.

In reality you are proposing a complete reversal on all of the AFL gains in 20 years? And for what? Because you are constrained in just going out and buying a premiership? What an incredibly short sighted and narrow way of looking at the issue.


I'm talking about a club already last and in Collingwood's case with millions in the bank from enforced savings and a hungry supporter base. I don't know Del Santo so it may be a bad example but if Collingwood offered $100,000 pre year more than the Saints and a year extra on the deal or they offered a $300,000 sign on fee because they were front loading contrcats the prior year or two he may well leave regardless of how well run the Saints are or how much team spirit there is. You don't the luxury of a few hundred thousand dollars to thor into the boast about team loyalty keeping players that Brisbane have.

If you have the space in your "constrained" SC good luck. I hope this one overpaid player transports the team and vaults them into the stratosphere. However as you have found out over the past two years, it is usually a team that brings success not just one mercenary individual.


Not if they go with a PSD pick al la Stevens.

Stevens wanted to go.

How long will they stay on minimum wage and starved or opportunity. Anyway it's beside the point. If anything it proves the farcical nature of being rewarded for being crap and being further rewarded for staying crap.

Do you want me to spell out where these guys were selected in the draft? Why cant you people understand that have a good recruitment manager is a key to success not just 1st round draft picks and buying players?

To some extent it depends on what you are all about I guess. From a Collingwood perspective I hope and believe we are about nothing short of a premiership. If you want to decade of competitiveness then losing a player or two and getting late draft picks for the next 6 to 8 years may be fine. You may or may not have a premiership squad now and that may or may not matter if Brisbane doesn’t have physical or mental issues to cope with in the next couple of years. If the stars aren't aligned though you will have little scope to do much about it. The problem St. Kilda face IMO is that if they don't win a flag they will go back for their next turn at draft picks and try again. That of itself might not bother you but just how patient do you expect your supporter and sponsors to be? Just how long do you think your current administrators will remain? As someone called Jim said about the Saints:
The future is uncertain and the end is always near.

Competitiveness is the key to winning flags. Kanagaroos were competitve for 8 years and came away with two flags. But they had a chance at a GF titl in every one of those 8 years.

The future is uncertain sure. We have been told to be patient sure. It may not win a flag, who is to know? But don't tell me that the Saints have not positioned themselves with good recruiting and great trading for a good go at it. All hard work and development, no shortcuts like throwing cash at established players.
Mark, if you were at the game last Saturday, you would have seen a team that was travelling in second gear for most of the night (Brisbane game and Freo travel caught up with them) missing their first choice onballers Black, Hayes, Harvey, and Knobel (Harvey slight injury, Knobel rested) and missing their best defender (Voss). This team took apart a team that has been in the past to GF's with consumate ease.
You tell me if the Saints policies aren't working.

 

[silky-smooth]

LOVE THESE THREADS!!!

 

[taff wa]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
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You tell me if the Saints policies aren't working. [/B]

Well if St Kilda dont win a premiership in the next couple of years with the players they have developed from the draft it would be more like their policies havent worked!

 

[SaveFeriss]

Joffa I think mark was reffering to the 'survival of the fittest' which has been 'LIFES" way until the relative recent introductions of welfare..etc...