US Election 2020: President Elect Biden and VP Elect Harris

[Chief]

This thread is continued in... The Aftermath

US Election 2020: President Biden and VP Harris - The Aftermath

Now we have most of the main players confirmed its time to start the thread on this Pence I assume will be Trumps VP - but I will leave the ? until confirmed https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20210120T09&p0=900&msg=Inauguration+2021&font=sanserif

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Chief]

It just kinda sums up which side is about love and optimism, and which is about fear and hate.

 

[Royces Hart]

No one seems to realise that having a bad guy on one side doesn't cancel out a bad guy on the other side. This ain't algebra. Anyone who abuses a child can rot in hell, whoever they may be.

It's like with the guy who got king hit and stomped on. The response of "but he started it!" was primary school tier. It's possible that both sides were bad, they don't cancel out as you seem to believe.

You can’t claim to be passionate about “anti child abuse” as you did, when you only call it out on one side of politics.

All it shows is that you aren’t really passionate about it, you only see it as a vehicle to try and score points for your side.

 

[bourbons]

Say what you will about Trumps supporters, that video is still despicable.

Soft, cowards didn't want to stand toe-to-toe with the guy and just waited each time to try and king hit him.

I mean.. you're not wrong in principle but from that video it seemed like the people he was shaping up to were either half his size or women.

How much responsibility would you say Trump bears for organizing a march in the first place? Like yeah, lets encourage (after losing an election, mind you ) all the people from both sides who are worked up enough about things to actually hit the streets, to congregate in the same place at the same time with flags and megaphones. What could possibly go wrong.

What a guy, what a leader.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

With YouTube/Facebook algorithms would be terrifying to see what crap some of these people have been reading/watching last few days

Those algorithms explain a great deal - with people relying more and more on social media their feeds keep reinforcing their own beliefs , rinse and repeat over and over again. Gets to the stage where other viewpoints and interpretations just don't appear or get looked at.

As a result we are becoming more polarised and divided as a society and far less tolerant of alternative views.
Pretty concerning

 

[CrowBloke]

Hmzz start a War and stay President?

Trump asked for options for attacking Iran last week

Trump made the request during a meeting on Thursday with his top national security aides, the source reportedly said.

www.theage.com.au

I'm ferociously anti-Trump. You might have noticed from my many posts in here that I do not think he has a single redeeming feature, but the " four current and former US officials said on Monday " from the article you quoted were un-named.
I believe Trump is crazy/irresponsible enough to ask such a thing --- certainly ignorant enough not to understand the consequences --- but I need more proof.

 

[Mofra]

774,000 votes suppressed in Florida by Republicans, (which likely would have delivered the state to the Democrats) and the best Trump-fans can come up with is 67 votes in Texas and a mixed bag of 2,600 elsewhere, out of a total exceeding 150m votes.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Yes, there are bad people on both "sides" - hence organising demonstrations is a very silly idea given the current political mood and the threat of Covid.
Donny's million MAGA march is clearly another example of extremely poor judgement.

I'm not sure if Trump organised it himself. If he did, poor judgement for sure. If a rally is organised and publicised, I respect the right of people to counter protest, but that doesn't mean running through the original rally armed and looking for trouble. Counter protest from across the street ffs.

 

[Blue1980]

774,000 votes suppressed in Florida by Republicans, (which likely would have delivered the state to the Democrats) and the best Trump-fans can come up with is 67 votes in Texas and a mixed bag of 2,600 elsewhere, out of a total exceeding 150m votes.

Where is the Florida stuff from?

 

[bourbons]

lol, glad the guy is getting whats coming to him.

Who is supporting or honouring this guy?

I don't feel the need to defend every piece of sh*t purportedly 'on our side', unlike you guys seem to. You can't wrap your heads around that.

Yep, remarkable innit -they'll defend to the hilt anyone, from run of the mill bogans (thinking the brain surgeons tailgating the Biden bus) to violent thugs, as long as they too support the god emperor.

Not being invested to that degree makes it very easy to argue against them eg. Biden is shit. Yep agreed, and he still beat Trump lol.

 

[Blue1980]

I'm not sure if Trump organised it himself. If he did, poor judgement for sure. If a rally is organised and publicised, I respect the right of people to counter protest, but that doesn't mean running through the original rally armed and looking for trouble. Counter protest from across the street ffs.

Well he certainly didn’t discourage it did he, especially with all his Twitter statements and noise out of his followers.

 

[Roby]

Things could be worse

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Or even worse

 

[magpie_marty]

I'm ferociously anti-Trump. You might have noticed from my many posts in here that I do not think he has a single redeeming feature, but the " four current and former US officials said on Monday " from the article you quoted were un-named.
I believe Trump is crazy/irresponsible enough to ask such a thing --- certainly ignorant enough not to understand the consequences --- but I need more proof.

Yes I have read many of your posts and agreed with you.
I personally just can not trust him,for what he is.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Convicted paedophile takes illegal pistol to opposition rally and coward punches an outnumbered old guy who was walking away from him.

It's definitely more honorable to assault an outnumbered old guy from in front.

 

[CrowBloke]

It just kinda sums up which side is about love and optimism, and which is about fear and hate.

Are you suggesting --- I mean, really, seriously suggesting --- that Trump/ism is about "love and optimism", and his opponents (of which I am one) are about "fear and hate"?

 

[Blue1980]

Yep, remarkable innit -they'll defend to the hilt anyone, from run of the mill bogans (thinking the brain surgeons tailgating the Biden bus) to violent thugs, as long as they too support the god emperor.

Makes them very easy to argue against eg. Biden is sh*t. Yep agreed, and he still beat Trump lol.

They have really created this victim mentality narrative for the Trump followers, that the media, liberal media elites, Hollywood, big footy forums etc are all rigged against them.

They they think like their orange God that anything and everything is fair game.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm not sure if Trump organised it himself. If he did, poor judgement for sure. If a rally is organised and publicised, I respect the right of people to counter protest, but that doesn't mean running through the original rally armed and looking for trouble. Counter protest from across the street ffs.

Approx 500 Trumpists decided they would march down Black Lives Matter Plaza. Where BLM has been present for months.

That's when it all kicked off.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Those algorithms explain a great deal - with people relying more and more on social media their feeds keep reinforcing their own beliefs , rinse and repeat over and over again. Gets to the stage where other viewpoints and interpretations just don't appear or get looked at.

As a result we are becoming more polarised and divided as a society and far less tolerant of alternative views.
Pretty concerning

Totally agree with this. Hence I value places like BF, where both sides are debated. Unfortunately many from the Trump side here are banned, which only leads to more polarisation as both sides are separated from one another and can't test each other's arguments. Censorship is part of the problem.

 

[Mofra]

Where is the Florida stuff from?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/03/what-modern-voter-suppression-looks-like-florida/

Racist voter suppression tactics are making a comeback in the 2020. And Florida shows just how bad it could get.

The act of denying formerly incarcerated people the right to vote is an act that historically and deeply rooted in racism.

www.businessinsider.com

Florida’s Voter Suppression Obsession

Republicans continue to deploy cynical, aggressive maneuvers to prevent returning citizens from voting.

prospect.org

Wiki actually provides a pretty good summary. It's absolutely shameful the desperate attempts the Republican party took in Florida to suppress voters. They are anti-democratic in every sense.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Where is the Florida stuff from?

its not new - happened prior to the election. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/florida-voting-changes-felony-convictions-drop-boxes

 

[Noobz0r]

It's crazy to me that the Trumpers can flame "leftist's" for violence and pedophilia, and claim that "leftists" are supporting of them despite this. And at the same time completely ignoring Trump and his supporters who are doing things just as abhorrent.

When in reality, all of us "leftists" aren't condoning the pedophiles or king-hitters. Re: the king-hit video, people certainly shouldn't resort to violence, especially if he isn't expecting it, but to say he didn't have some sort of retribution coming given what he was doing is laughable.

 

[CrowBloke]

Yes I have read many of your posts and agreed with you.
I personally just can not trust him,for what he is.

Agree totally, and I do not trust him either and I can explain how little eg at my age, I've learned very carefully not to trust a fart any more.
But I trust my own potentially follow-through farts more than I trust Trump.
I just can't hang my hat on unsubstantiated "sources", leaving that to the Trumpists.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You can't condone either of them.

He attacked one person, then was defending himself.

The bloke that hit him would 100% serve time in Australia under one punch laws.

I don't condone it, but it was held up as an example of left wing violence and the lead up was deliberately edited out. He doesn't start the violence, he doesn't get knocked out. Simple.

 

[Blue1980]

Totally agree with this. Hence I value places like BF, where both sides are debated. Unfortunately many from the Trump side here are banned, which only leads to more polarisation as both sides are separated from one another and can't test each other's arguments. Censorship is part of the problem.

Censorship/non censorship cuts both ways unfortunately, we’ve seen it give voice to people marginalised but we have seen those from the darkest corners of humanity find one as well.

Unfortunately social media has become a political tool over the last decade in the US and around the world.

Media used as well (as always) but there people have the risk of being sued for defamation at least, as opposed to completely anonymous stuff made up.

But yes this has probably happened to an even worse degree In less developed countries than US, Europe and here.

 

[bourbons]

No one seems to realise that having a bad guy on one side doesn't cancel out a bad guy on the other side. This ain't algebra. Anyone who abuses a child can rot in hell, whoever they may be.

It's like with the guy who got king hit and stomped on. The response of "but he started it!" was primary school tier. It's possible that both sides were bad, they don't cancel out as you seem to believe.

You're right, they don't - but that's not the point.

Point is you only ever seek to smear one side with it. If you were consistent in your passion you would have posted about Rudy's star witness, seeing as by any objective comparison that actually is 'honouring in the media' or whatever bullshit one of you guys posted last page.

 

[Malifice]

Enough on the Paedo shit thanks.

I dont want this thread swerving into discussions of Pizza toppings and Panda eyes.