VAFA General Discussion 2022-2023-2024

[bedford]

FWIW new vafa president creating a big footy account and the Herald Sun doing a write up on Div1-Div4 recruits, what other nuggets does 2024 have in store? Bedford as the new mod?

Happy to accept fwiw

 

[Eddie Woloschek]

Then there was Mazenod who have gone back to back in the same grade as didn't go up this year

So what? There is always a massive turnover in players in the Thirds. The VAFA has catered for this with in-season regrades where appropriate. You are worrying about things that don't really matter. Do you really think you can float smaller clubs to the top by telling big clubs they must size down. Or would you side with the VAFA club president who once suggested, (quite seriously) 'we need a draft'?

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Sounds like the Thirds competition needs to be set up geographically or even separated into Premier clubs and Divisional clubs.

One thing is for certain - whatever anyone proposes, someone won't like it for whatever vested interest they have.

 

[bedford]

So what? There is always a massive turnover in players in the Thirds. The VAFA has catered for this with in-season regrades where appropriate. You are worrying about things that don't really matter. Do you really think you can float smaller clubs to the top by telling big clubs they must size down. Or would you side with the VAFA club president who once suggested, (quite seriously) 'we need a draft'?

So what , they should have gone up a grade this year and nearly the same players ffs

 

[Eddie Woloschek]

So what , they should have gone up a grade this year and nearly the same players ffs

Not necessarily an advantage when you have an older list, is it?

 

[bedford]

Not necessarily an advantage when you have an older list, is it?

You just don't get it

 

[Eddie Woloschek]

You just don't get it

Some might argue that it's you who doesn't get it.

 

[bedford]

1 loss in 16 games and a percentage of 520 , so 2 loses in 2 years and stayed in the lowest grade , what don't you get !

 

[eth-dog]

Some might argue that it's you who doesn't get it.

My clubs thirds made finals in that grade. My clubs reserves made the GF. Honest to god, the Mazenod team that won our grade would have easily made our reserves finals.

It's you.

 

[bedford]

My clubs thirds made finals in that grade. My clubs reserves made the GF. Honest to god, the Mazenod team that won our grade would have easily made our reserves finals.

It's you.

Correct

 

[localfootylegend23]

Biggest growth in VAFA football is Thirds. Most teams have enough resources.

No provided umpires, no boundaries. Only need one timekeeper.

Water boys usually are players turning their jumpers inside out.

Not playing for sheep stations until the finals.

Clubs agree to shorten games if the numbers are low.

Fun had by all.

Let OX have 4 teams in separate grades. They lost 2 of the 4 grand finals.

We started 4 weeks late. Still were able to join.

I agree with a lot of these points. But the xavs thirds juggernaut is a disgrace, they only lost like 6 or so games as a collective all year, choking in 2 grand finals and will probably get to dictate where they all play - again!

Sounds like the Thirds competition needs to be set up geographically or even separated into Premier clubs and Divisional clubs.

One thing is for certain - whatever anyone proposes, someone won't like it for whatever vested interest they have.

Yep, its common sense, no offense to Max but premier B clubs thirds shouldn't be in the bottom grade, assuming the team is made up of ex u19's and left over reserves.

 

[GerryG]

Then there was Mazenod who have gone back to back in the same grade as didn't go up this year

There 2nds played 3rds and vice versa
Check each teams scores !

 

[Max Leader]

I agree with a lot of these points. But the xavs thirds juggernaut is a disgrace, they only lost like 6 or so games as a collective all year, choking in 2 grand finals and will probably get to dictate where they all play - again!



Yep, its common sense, no offense to Max but premier B clubs thirds shouldn't be in the bottom grade, assuming the team is made up of ex u19's and left over reserves.

Our 3rds were made up mainly of players who had never played with the club ( the majority coming from our Mernda campus) or over 30’s who didn’t train. No under 19 played in the team.

Only 1 player would have got a game in our two’s on ability (imo).

Our best player in the grand final was a 49 yo.

There was no left over reserves at the end of the season. Actually we had more 3rds than Reserves players. Every eligible reserves player played in the reserves prelim.

 

[Navyblues09]

So what , they should have gone up a grade this year and nearly the same players ffs

Also in 2023 they had 2 sides, their first side was struggling so dropped players to the bottom grade before finals and then with just one side this year, they stayed in the bottom grade!

Was a terrible call by the league and teams who win shouldn’t be able to say oh well stay down. Then to even stay down after the regrading was just poor by the VAFA.

But I agree with an earlier post about seperating division and premier clubs, the biggest issue can be the Premier sides are playing home and away and division clubs in finals making selection more difficult, or senior byes not aligning.

 

[SeaSide]

Season becomes too long.

It would see top 3 grades finishing the week of the AFL grand final.

It’s also rewarding mediocre teams a finals appearance.

Most clubs would likely agree. If so, is starting the season a week earlier a problem?
The mid-season buy could be staggered.
Such could be an uplifting new beginning for the VAFA.
Is HQ capable of organising such?

 

[SeaSide]

Sounds like the Thirds competition needs to be set up geographically or even separated into Premier clubs and Divisional clubs.

One thing is for certain - whatever anyone proposes, someone won't like it for whatever vested interest they have.

HQ isn't capable of organising anything from left field!

 

[SeaSide]

Sounds like the Thirds competition needs to be set up geographically or even separated into Premier clubs and Divisional clubs.

One thing is for certain - whatever anyone proposes, someone won't like it for whatever vested interest they have.

Talking with clubs with third and perhaps fourth teams at HQ should be a good idea.
Does HQ listen, or are they too UTS to listen to good ideas from the plebeians?

 

[SeaSide]

Also in 2023 they had 2 sides, their first side was struggling so dropped players to the bottom grade before finals and then with just one side this year, they stayed in the bottom grade!

Was a terrible call by the league and teams who win shouldn’t be able to say oh well stay down. Then to even stay down after the regrading was just poor by the VAFA.

But I agree with an earlier post about seperating division and premier clubs, the biggest issue can be the Premier sides are playing home and away and division clubs in finals making selection more difficult, or senior byes not aligning.

Too hard!

 

[SeaSide]

Then there was Mazenod who have gone back to back in the same grade as didn't go up this year

That's good organisation - NOT!

 

[SeaSide]

I agree with a lot of these points. But the xavs thirds juggernaut is a disgrace, they only lost like 6 or so games as a collective all year, choking in 2 grand finals and will probably get to dictate where they all play - again!



Yep, its common sense, no offense to Max but premier B clubs thirds shouldn't be in the bottom grade, assuming the team is made up of ex u19's and left over reserves.

Agreeing with some of your points, however there are other scenarios.

CY's (Premier B) thirds and fourths were put into the two top grades below the Premier thirds' division.

Both sides bombed out as the competition featured a combination of Clubs' excess reserves and U19s players, who were all too quick and agile for the oldies.

Although many of the players from both CY’s teams had played senior football in the VAFA, some, (but not too many, from surrounding non-VAFA teams), neither team had any players under the age of 35.

Willi CYs retain their players, loving the club culture and inclusivity and happy playing VAFA earlier on Saturdays instead of every second Sunday afternoon in Masters’ competitions.

Perhaps there could be an ‘Over 35’s or over 40’s Section. Forget the Masters; that was a disaster.

 

[localfootylegend23]

Agreeing with some of your points, however there are other scenarios.

CY's (Premier B) thirds and fourths were put into the two top grades below the Premier thirds' division.

Both sides bombed out as the competition featured a combination of Clubs' excess reserves and U19s players, who were all too quick and agile for the oldies.

Although many of the players from both CY’s teams had played senior football in the VAFA, some, (but not too many, from surrounding non-VAFA teams), neither team had any players under the age of 35.

Willi CYs retain their players, loving the club culture and inclusivity and happy playing VAFA earlier on Saturdays instead of every second Sunday afternoon in Masters’ competitions.

Perhaps there could be an ‘Over 35’s or over 40’s Section. Forget the Masters; that was a disaster.

Agreed, things like this should be taken into account, would love to see more of this

 

[Manang Rover]

Agreeing with some of your points, however there are other scenarios.

CY's (Premier B) thirds and fourths were put into the two top grades below the Premier thirds' division.

Both sides bombed out as the competition featured a combination of Clubs' excess reserves and U19s players, who were all too quick and agile for the oldies.

Although many of the players from both CY’s teams had played senior football in the VAFA, some, (but not too many, from surrounding non-VAFA teams), neither team had any players under the age of 35.

Willi CYs retain their players, loving the club culture and inclusivity and happy playing VAFA earlier on Saturdays instead of every second Sunday afternoon in Masters’ competitions.

Perhaps there could be an ‘Over 35’s or over 40’s Section. Forget the Masters; that was a disaster.

I believe that Marcellin 35s (Masters) will leave VAFA and go back to Metro masters comp. Metro masters comp is getting bigger and bigger and Willi have 5-6 teams from 35s to 55s as soon as 3rds players are over 35 they can play there.
Wonder if De la. Oakleigh & Preston will also move across.

 

[Wild Thing]

I believe that Marcellin 35s (Masters) will leave VAFA and go back to Metro masters comp. Metro masters comp is getting bigger and bigger and Willi have 5-6 teams from 35s to 55s as soon as 3rds players are over 35 they can play there.
Wonder if De la. Oakleigh & Preston will also move across.

Both Marcellin and DLS have played Metro Masters before joining VAFA Masters. They have won flags in that comp as well. Would suggest they would both move across and maybe Oakleigh (no other Masters comp to play in around their area unless they go to Eastern league). When did St Kevin’s stop having a Masters side? I know they also played Metro before trying their hand at VAFA.

 

[God Yeah]

I believe that Marcellin 35s (Masters) will leave VAFA and go back to Metro masters comp. Metro masters comp is getting bigger and bigger and Willi have 5-6 teams from 35s to 55s as soon as 3rds players are over 35 they can play there.
Wonder if De la. Oakleigh & Preston will also move across.

Don't bank on De La heading back to the metro masters. Decision to join the VAFA was partly due to the excess travel required in the masters comp.

Travel time longer than the actual game doesn't really make any sense.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Don't bank on De La heading back to the metro masters. Decision to join the VAFA was partly due to the excess travel required in the masters comp.

Travel time longer than the actual game doesn't really make any sense.

Might have no other choice as without an injection of clubs the VAFA Masters comp looks certain to fall over.

 

[Manang Rover]

Don't bank on De La heading back to the metro masters. Decision to join the VAFA was partly due to the excess travel required in the masters comp.

Travel time longer than the actual game doesn't really make any sense.

I know one of the de la players and a few Marcellin old boys. Marcellin will move back to masters with 45s.
I also know the main reason why dela, St Kevins and Marcellin left masters to join vafa and its not travel.
From what I can understand is that if de la were to rejoin comp they would be in south east comp so travel wouldnt be too bad.
St Kevins folded last year or so as lack of players.