Gather round should be built around the Showdown being the Friday night national broadcast match and a stand alone fixture.
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Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2
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Gather round should be built around the Showdown being the Friday night national broadcast match and a stand alone fixture.
Tassie is not extra travel, it's about the same as coming to Melbourne, with the added bonus your opponent has had to travel as well.
sr36
TheBrownDog
I don't really care tbh. I don't really get the point of gather round if it's always going to be the same state. I assumed it was going to be a rotated thing and go to regional towns. But at the moment it gives sa teams a small overall advantage - but not big enough to worry about.
Most footy fans around the country couldn't give a toss about watching the showdown though.
Are they still pretending they dont get direct flights to Tassie?
Going to Tassie would reduce the overall time in transit, as less traffic and shit to deal with upon arrival compared with Melbourne.
Cam Payne
Team Captain
Wildcard round is designed so fewer Vic clubs miss finals.
Edit: Since 2010 Vic clubs have finished 9th & 10th 20 times. Non Vic clubs 10 times, with Port (5 times) being half of those. I have included the current 2024 ladder.
Edit: Since 2010 Vic clubs have finished 9th & 10th 20 times. Non Vic clubs 10 times, with Port (5 times) being half of those. I have included the current 2024 ladder.
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Since 2010 (including current 2024 ladder) Vics have finished 7th and 8th 21 times compared with 9 for interstaters. So with 2 teams eliminated in wildcard round, in theory it would result in a slight increase of interstaters to the finals.
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Cam Payne
Team Captain
Who finishes 7th and 8th makes no difference. Who finishes 9th and 10th does. That's the point of wildcard round and who it favours.
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In a discussion about travel, imagine including Geelong alongside non-Victorian teams in your data to game the statistics.
It favours 9th and 10th at the expense of 7th and 8th. With a greater proportion of Vics in 7/8 compared with 9/10 it means Vics are disadvantaged overall. You're looking at the swings and ignoring the roundabouts.
sr36
TheBrownDog
He's been very consistent with claim that hga is the big thing.
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I don't disagree with that, but the claim that 33 non-Melbourne teams have occupied the top two positions is a clear attempt to make it seem like non-Victorian teams dominate the top two when Geelong account for about a third of that. A team that also barely has to travel so is not relevant to the discussion of whether travel is a disadvantage.
The discussion isn't solely travel.
However, if the discussion was solely about travel, why would you group SA teams with WA teams?
Melbourne, North, Richmond and Geelong all travel further in 2024 than Port.
#portbias
Interstaters are over represented in the top 2. Adding Geelong into the equation strengthens the strong HGA argument even more.
It isn't a claim, it is a fact and soon to be 35.
And yes, grouping teams as VIC or non-vic is lazy and provides nothing of any value.
Some vic sides travel more than SA sides, so if grouping in terms of travel you would have 3 groups
WA teams
QLD teams
The rest
sr36
TheBrownDog
Having read his posts I knew exactly what he was saying and how he was grouping cats, but I can see people misconstruing.
A bit like the Vic blockbusters. Outside of Victoria no one gives toss.
Cam Payne
Team Captain
It is cute that you think wildcard round isn't a final.
Should be pretty straight forward to follow.
The unequal distribution of home ground advantage games is the biggest factor in the current biased H&A Fixture.
There are two groups currently
GroupA - Teams that have a clear distinct home ground advantage in 9-11 games against their opponent.
GroupB - Teams that had home ground advantage removed by AFL House policy, so now split games between two neutral venues or sell them and play em in a different state where they have to travel for a home game.
Unsurprisingly - teams from GroupA have finished top 2 33 times compared to just 13 from GroupB.
Travel is a secondary issue, and it is laughable to claim travel is VIC v the reat when somw VIC based teams actually have a larger travel load than teams from SA.
What the bolded bit means, is that when there is a standout Vic club from amongst the ten of them, they get a massive leg up.
So where are all the conspiracy theorists today?
It only happens to Collingwood hey, never against.
Anyway, it's not why we lost, we lost because Sydney wanted it more than us and we couldn't stop the blitz.
I wonder though, are the conspiracy theorists happy we lost or sad their little conspiracy is dead now.
#VICBIAS
It only happens to Collingwood hey, never against.
Anyway, it's not why we lost, we lost because Sydney wanted it more than us and we couldn't stop the blitz.
I wonder though, are the conspiracy theorists happy we lost or sad their little conspiracy is dead now.
#VICBIAS
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
Interesting that during his whinge rant in the post match presser, fly was making out what an advantage it was to play at the G. Mmmm
Alot of it has to do with the way the AFL makes decisions on the go, and has different outcomes for what teams they want to see do well vs others they think will be fine.
For instance.
Adelaide got smashed for the Tippett saga.
We lost Tippet for nothing.
We lost first and second round picks for two years.
Essendon got caught using illegal performance enhancing drugs in a club sanctioned event. They destroyed evidence and did not self report.
They only lost draft picks for one season, and were allowed to keep the number 1 pick the following year after finishing bottom, with all their players out.
When asked on 5AA why Essenson didn't lose the same amount of picks as Adelaide did, Andrew D said it was because Essendon self reported unlike Adelaide. He was corrected on it and then dismissed it.
Melbourne got caught match fixing to try and get a PP in the draft, and they lost no draft picks.
Now, you cannot in any good faith say the way Adelaide was treated in draft sanctions was equal with Melbourne and Essendon.
It is what it is.
For instance.
Adelaide got smashed for the Tippett saga.
We lost Tippet for nothing.
We lost first and second round picks for two years.
Essendon got caught using illegal performance enhancing drugs in a club sanctioned event. They destroyed evidence and did not self report.
They only lost draft picks for one season, and were allowed to keep the number 1 pick the following year after finishing bottom, with all their players out.
When asked on 5AA why Essenson didn't lose the same amount of picks as Adelaide did, Andrew D said it was because Essendon self reported unlike Adelaide. He was corrected on it and then dismissed it.
Melbourne got caught match fixing to try and get a PP in the draft, and they lost no draft picks.
Now, you cannot in any good faith say the way Adelaide was treated in draft sanctions was equal with Melbourne and Essendon.
It is what it is.
You heard him whinge rant?
I heard him being honest and say Sydney deserved the win.
And yes he said it may have been paid at the MCG, that's what happens with home games and you have the majority of the crowd yelling.
Elixuh
See you on the 9th green at 9
Very poor sportsmanship from fly unfortunately. After all the self-help book metaphors have dried up we’ve reverted back to umpire and venue whinges.
