Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 2

[Gethelred]

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[Saint]

I occasionally pop onto Medvedev"s telegram channel and it is clear negotiating with these homicidal maniacs is not possible. He openly declares Ukraine must subjugate to Russia and still rambles on about the long discredited Nazi nonsense.


Post war I don't see how relations between Ukraine & Russia are possible no matter what the result is with Putin/Lavrov/Medvedev in charge.

Any truce now with Russia in control of parts of Donbas will only result in another war in a few years. Even if Putin is gone.

 

[Millky95]

Any truce now with Russia in control of parts of Donbas will only result in another war in a few years. Even if Putin is gone.

Either Russia leaves Ukraine and probably Crimea

Or Ukraine falls

 

[Sir_Loin]

Either Russia leaves Ukraine and probably Crimea

Or Ukraine falls

Only chance of Ukraine taking back Crimea is now. They know it, Russia knows it and NATO knows it

 

[Marcel Proust]

Putin did it. Of course he did. He sees Musk as a useful idiot, he is used to flattering Western oligarchs for this purpose, and he can both use Musk as a means of sending his messages, and someone who may be useful if he takes actions that are pro-russian, whether with Starlink or in the event he completes a takeover of Twitter. He would definitely see him as useful enough to take a meeting and Musk is narcissistic enough to want that meeting

Are we calling western billionaires oligarchs now?

Musk is a pretty cluey guy. I reckon he could have worked out the water situation without Putin explaining it

 

[Schneebly11]

Musk is a pretty cluey guy. I reckon he could have worked out the water situation with Putin explaining it

Musk just repeats Russian talking points fed by Putin. The tweet referring “Khrushchev’s mistake” is a straight up domestic Russian political talking point that no westerner would repeat.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Are we calling western billionaires oligarchs now?

Musk is a pretty cluey guy. I reckon he could have worked out the water situation without Putin explaining it

You’re kidding yourself if you think the oligarchy only applies to Russia. Grow up

 

[Marcel Proust]

Musk just repeats Russian talking points fed by Putin. The tweet referring “Khrushchev’s mistake” is a straight up domestic Russian political talking point that no westerner would repeat.

The guy apparently reckons he's the Roman god mars.

How do you how or what he thinks ?

 

[Marcel Proust]

You’re kidding yourself if you think the oligarchy only applies to Russia. Grow up

It's literally the definition

 

[Sir_Loin]

Musk just repeats Russian talking points fed by Putin. The tweet referring “Khrushchev’s mistake” is a straight up domestic Russian political talking point that no westerner would repeat.

He’s just being a campaigner. He’s rich so he’s using his power to do what he wants.

He’s a Blofeld and not even remotely as interesting

 

[Sir_Loin]

It's literally the definition

No it’s not. Maybe read a thesaurus before using terms you have no idea the application of

 

[Zidane98]

Musk just repeats Russian talking points fed by Putin. The tweet referring “Khrushchev’s mistake” is a straight up domestic Russian political talking point that no westerner would repeat.

Putin uses arguments going back 500 years about the Russian empire being the true owners of Ukraine. It's a wonder that Musk also doesn't apply this train of thought to Crimea which was originally inhabitated by the Ottoman empire (Turkey successor state) and then invaded by Russia in the late 1700s. According to Putin's logic Turkey is actually the true owner of Crimea.

 

[Zidane98]

Are we calling western billionaires oligarchs now?

Musk is a pretty cluey guy. I reckon he could have worked out the water situation without Putin explaining it

Staggering incompetency from Putin on the water situation. Invades Crimea and after 8 years is still reliant on Ukraine proper for water.


You would think since 2014 that Adolf Putin would have invested significantly in desalinisation plants in Crimea and/or water pipelines running to/from Rostov area water resources ** if *** he is serious about occupying Crimea long term. He absolutely can do this as the Duma approves pretty much whatever he wants (look how quickly the Kerch bridge project was started).


Instead his only investment in Crimea has been a bridge to enable his military occupation of Crimea to continue. Just another example that his interests are only military. No shits are given by Putin about the people of Crimea at all, they are just a pawn to be used to try and force Ukraine to once again become his puppet state.

 

[Smeg Head]

Putin uses arguments going back 500 years about the Russian empire being the true owners of Ukraine. It's a wonder that Musk also doesn't apply this train of thought to Crimea which was originally inhabitated by the Ottoman empire (Turkey successor state) and then invaded by Russia in the late 1700s. According to Putin's logic Turkey is actually the true owner of Crimea.

Didnt the Greeks settle it over 2000 years ago while russia only had hunter gatherers in it? Better give it all back to the Greeks.

 

[LittleG]

Didnt the Greeks settle it over 2000 years ago while russia only had hunter gatherers in it? Better give it all back to the Greeks.

No. It was the Tatars who held Crimea. They use to own vast amounts of Southern Russia….

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Rob R]

Putin uses arguments going back 500 years about the Russian empire being the true owners of Ukraine. It's a wonder that Musk also doesn't apply this train of thought to Crimea which was originally inhabitated by the Ottoman empire (Turkey successor state) and then invaded by Russia in the late 1700s. According to Putin's logic Turkey is actually the true owner of Crimea.

I think we should acknowledge and support Putin and Xis desire for historical ownership of land. I am sure the leader of Mongolia that would own China and Russia as a result would be much better to deal with than the two psychopaths currently in charge

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[Marcel Proust]

I think we should acknowledge and support Putin and Xis desire for historical ownership of land. I am sure the leader of Mongolia that would own China and Russia as a result would be much better to deal with than the two psychopaths currently in charge

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We could call him Khan

 

[Smeg Head]

No. It was the Tatars who held Crimea. They use to own vast amounts of Southern Russia….

Much much earlier than the tatars.

For example

Akra, Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Marcel Proust]

No it’s not. Maybe read a thesaurus before using terms you have no idea the application of

Check the definition in a thesaurus ?

 

[Sir_Loin]

Check the definition in a thesaurus ?

Maybe just read

 

[mighty tiges]

No. It was the Tatars who held Crimea. They use to own vast amounts of Southern Russia….

Source?










Sorry, couldn't resist .

 

[LittleG]

Much much earlier than the tatars.

For example

Akra, Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Surprising.
One of my exgirlfriend was Tatar. She was sure that Crimea was her ancestral home.

 

[Smeg Head]

Surprising.
One of my exgirlfriend was Tatar. She was sure that Crimea was her ancestral home.

It would have been hers too, they migrated there I think from central asia later on.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Surprising.
One of my exgirlfriend was Tatar. She was sure that Crimea was her ancestral home.

Tatar history is a rabbit hole itself

 

[mighty tiges]

Looks like Kherson has almost been denazified of Russian invaders. Hopefully they don't try and kidnap too many civilians when they leave.