Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 3

[Jello_B]

The plane could have just fallen because they have a Westinghouse processor as the central flight controller…. Pilot didn’t understand the alarm “too many clothes in machine”

 

[Zidane98]

The plane could have just fallen because they have a Westinghouse processor as the central flight controller…. Pilot didn’t understand the alarm “too many clothes in machine”

Or even better - it was overloaded with too many stolen washing machines / dishwashers in it. Plane out of balance, pilot panics, loses control. It happens.

 

[jatz14]

All we have video of is the plane falling from the sky in an uncontrolled manner trailing debris and fuel.

Minus a wing.

There are very few ways for a wing to fall off.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Zidane98]

Minus a wing.

There are very few ways for a wing to fall off.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

When planes fall out of the sky in an uncontrolled matter they are subject to all sorts of g-forces far in excess of design limits. The plane breaking up isn't surprising. Happened on many other air disasters before. It's a matter of whether that wing broken off is the initiating event or as a result of forces exerted on the plane as to whether a bomb or missile is the culprit.

 

[Mobbs]

I wonder why they resorted to doing it this way. There would have been so many other low key ways to take Prigozhin out that wouldn't have drawn as much attention as this. I mean this is really out there on the loud scale and as public as you could expect.

Did they want to teach him a lesson for the IL22 plane that Wagner shot down in their mutiny?

Anyhow Biden isn't surprised.

I also think firing at the plane is a strange way to do it (if it proves so), because ... well you can miss!

 

[Zidane98]

I also think firing at the plane is a strange way to do it (if it proves so), because ... well you can miss!

Plus Russia has a history of firing at the wrong target. I wonder if any other air traffic was in the area when the plane went down.

 

[Visions]

Or even better - it was overloaded with too many stolen washing machines / dishwashers in it. Plane out of balance, pilot panics, loses control. It happens.

It does! Happened in 1981 at Pushkin where 16 Soviet admirals and generals (including the commander of the Pacific fleet) were killed in a plane crash caused by greed as it was overloaded with “personal” goods such as furniture, TV’s, clothes, etc.

Think this has been posted before but here it is again for reference.

 

[Zidane98]

It does! Happened in 1981 at Pushkin where 16 Soviet admirals and generals (including the commander of the Pacific fleet) were killed in a plane crash caused by being overloaded with “personal” goods such as furniture, clothes, etc.

Think this has been posted before but here it is again for reference.

Hahahaha. This is the epitome of the old USSR.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

It does seem like a power/money play by Putin/Shoigu/MOD to effectively take over Wagner’s lucrative operations in West Africa. The new generation juntas there have no intention of giving up their shield against the Islamists and the idea of French intervention that they’re very worried about.

 

[Power Raid]

I wonder how the russian people would react or not react over this

sure prighozin is a pathetic criminal but if you want evidence putin is a mobster, one only has to look at his last decade and perhaps even just the last 24 hours.

I accept russians have a slave/ oppressed mindset where they don't care for freedom but surely there is a limit? perhaps the last 100 years of slavery has eradicated their bloods lines of spirit and hope.

 

[Mobbs]

In Kemerovo Oblast out Siberially, there was a TV debate between the candidates for the regional legislative assembly (elections are coming up very soon in Russia across the country).

When neither candidate bothered to turn up, the presenter stood stoically for a moment, and then said they'd go back to standard broadcasting.

There's about a week to go until the elections.




lel.

 

[wannabejack]

Ukraine Just Blew Up Russia’s Main Missile Base In Occupied Crimea

It’s fair to call the Cape Tarkhankut site the linchpin of Russian air and naval defenses across the Black Sea. Which is why the Ukrainian armed forces blew it up.

www.forbes.com

After capturing Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in February 2014, the Russian armed forces established a major missile base on Cape Tarkhankut in western Crimea.

There, the Russians deployed an S-400 surface-to-air missile battery, a battery armed with Bastion anti-ship cruise missiles and a suite of radars including a Podlet K1 and potentially others.

Assisted by the Podlet, the S-400 battery could threaten aerial targets as far away as 250 miles—covering the entire western Black Sea—while the Bastion could hit ships at a distance of 190 miles or so. A Bastion also can strike targets on land.

It’s not unfair to call the Cape Tarkhankut site the linchpin of Russian air and naval defenses across the Black Sea and Crimea. Which is why, on Wednesday, the Ukrainian armed forces blew it up.

We don’t know exactly what happened, but we do know this: around 10:00 A.M. on Wednesday, local time, a series of explosions rocked the cape. It’s possible the Ukrainian air force hit the Russian base with Storm Shadow cruise missiles or S-200 ballistic missiles. It also is possible drones or saboteurs were responsible.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

It is like Putin wanted to destroy everything Prigozhin had built before killing him. I think this is going to blow up in Putin's face.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

It is like Putin wanted to destroy everything Prigozhin had built before killing him. I think this is going to blow up in Putin's face.

I actually think he’s been spending the last 2 months trying to ensure that if they get rid of Prigozhin they could then essentially nationalise Wagner and their African operations, both military and resource plundering based. The juntas that use Wagner are super keen to keep them there. It’s a bold punt though, a lot to hold together.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I actually think he’s been spending the last 2 months trying to ensure that if they get rid of Prigozhin they could then essentially nationalise Wagner and their African operations, both military and resource plundering based. The juntas that use Wagner are super keen to keep them there. It’s a bold punt though, a lot to hold together.

Putin has misunderstood the situation if that is indeed his thinking. Wagner had not outgrown Prigozhin, so taking out Prigozhin is only going to enrage his fighters.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

Putin has misunderstood the situation if that is indeed his thinking. Wagner had not outgrown Prigozhin, so taking out Prigozhin is only going to enrage his fighters.

Could be right, but his fighters in Africa right now are hardcore, skilled mercenaries. Different to the cannon fodder in Ukraine. As long as they keep getting paid I think that side of it might be smooth. Where it might slip up will be whether they’ll be able to take over the thousands of complex shady financial links Prigozhin had to launder the wealth gained resource wise in exchange for doing the mercenary work.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Putin has misunderstood the situation if that is indeed his thinking. Wagner had not outgrown Prigozhin, so taking out Prigozhin is only going to enrage his fighters.

What's more can the Wagner fighters be sure the Putin won't turn on them (especially the one's who joined Prigohzin on his march to Moscow)? Putin just assassinated their leader, hardly the conditions to establish trust.

I can't see how they will see it as "This time it will be different though" with dealing with Putin.

 

[Roos9699]

Wow...

 

[Satan]

 

[Thrawn]

Well colour me surprised!

 

[Profop]

I can’t understand why Prigozhin stayed in Russia? I mean he surely had cash squirrelled away and had to have seen something like this coming

Seems really weird to me that he just didn’t retire to a beach in Argentina with a bunch of body guards and see how long he could last before they got him there

 

[TedDougChris]

Wow...

Go you good things Ukrainians !!

 

[Baldur]

I actually think he’s been spending the last 2 months trying to ensure that if they get rid of Prigozhin they could then essentially nationalise Wagner and their African operations, both military and resource plundering based. The juntas that use Wagner are super keen to keep them there. It’s a bold punt though, a lot to hold together.

Agree, no doubt he has been putting his african house in order, conference with african leaders Check, BRICS conference check. Plane falls out of window, check.

 

[QuietB]

I also think firing at the plane is a strange way to do it (if it proves so), because ... well you can miss!

Plus Russia has a history of firing at the wrong target. I wonder if any other air traffic was in the area when the plane went down.

It has never been determined it actually was the wrong target. And they didn't miss.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

I’ve seen a few places now that a bomb was in the cargo hold but nothing confirmed.