Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

[Gethelred]

This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:

Europe - Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

This is the thread for the geopolitics, history and framework around the Russia-Ukraine conflict. If you want to discuss the events of the war, head over to this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/war-in-ukraine-thread-4-thread-rules-updated.1376293/page-146

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If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[Zidane98]

Russia had previously agreed to withdraw all troops from Georgia & Moldova by 2002.


That obviously never happened.


Apparently Russia should be trusted when negotiating about Ukraine according to some though.

 

[Zidane98]

Is there a bigger fraud in the world than Adofl Putin?


Here is his very own signature on the Ukranian border treaty where he fully recognises Ukraine's territorial sovereignty on behalf of Ukraine. This treaty was lodged with the UN.


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[Aussie in exile]

Recruit problems for Putin.
He wants to sent more Russians to their deaths all for his little man ego.

Putin's Latest Attempts To Recruit More Soldiers Could Cause Long-Term Issues For Russia

UK intelligence officers have warned that the country's economy may struggle next year.

uk.yahoo.com

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Zidane98]

Russians at it again

 

[wannabejack]

Russians at it again

 

[wannabejack]

ISW: Russia's 2024 gains in Ukraine limited to rural areas despite massive human cost - Euromaidan Press

Russian forces captured 4,168 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory in 2024, primarily consisting of fields and small settlements, while suffering approximately 427,000 casualties.

euromaidanpress.com

Russian forces captured 4,168 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory in 2024, primarily consisting of fields and small settlements, while suffering approximately 427,000 casualties, according to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW).

The ISW emphasizes that Western aid remains critical for Ukraine’s ability to stabilize the frontline in 2025, particularly given ongoing Ukrainian manpower constraints and morale challenges.

More than half of Russia’s 2024 territorial advances occurred during an intensified offensive period from September through November.

ISW reports that Russia’s military command focused on capturing the remainder of Donetsk Oblast and establishing a buffer zone in northern Kharkiv Oblast, though neither objective was achieved.

Russia’s tank losses at Pokrovsk exceed the total number of tanks possessed by any European nation. Additionally, the number of Russian casualties in the Battle of Pokrovsk is comparable to the entire strength of the UK’s Armed Forces.

 

[Visions]

Economy going great guns. So much so the Russians have decided to cut costs by stopping the bonus sign-on payments to convicts to fight in the war. Next step will be the everyday man.

Less money also filling the coffers with Ukraine shutting off the gas pipeline, which in itself has had an affect with the Russian dominated Transnistria area of Moldova with heat and hot water not available for its residents.....

 

[Visions]

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Russian forces captured 4,168 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory in 2024, primarily consisting of fields and small settlements, while suffering approximately 427,000 casualties, according to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW).

The ISW emphasizes that Western aid remains critical for Ukraine’s ability to stabilize the frontline in 2025, particularly given ongoing Ukrainian manpower constraints and morale challenges.

More than half of Russia’s 2024 territorial advances occurred during an intensified offensive period from September through November.

ISW reports that Russia’s military command focused on capturing the remainder of Donetsk Oblast and establishing a buffer zone in northern Kharkiv Oblast, though neither objective was achieved.

Russia’s tank losses at Pokrovsk exceed the total number of tanks possessed by any European nation. Additionally, the number of Russian casualties in the Battle of Pokrovsk is comparable to the entire strength of the UK’s Armed Forces.

So that's 100 Russian casualties for every 30 x 30 metre section gained......

Wonder if North Korean casualties are included? They themselves are having a disastrous time losing men left right and centre in kamikaze infantry attacks without any vehicle support. Any that survive commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner of war. Injured that make it out are bused to Moscow hospitals. Apparently their forces are part of their elite division which doesn't bode well for the quality of their homeland defence. South Korea would be watching with interest and taking notes.

 

[Zidane98]

Looks like Qatar pipeline to Turkey is going ahead.


Putin has absolutely destroyed Russia's natural resources income.


And it is him only to blame for being a fascist arseh*le chasing delusions of a new Russian empire to replace his beloved failed USSR.

 

[Mofra]

Looks like Qatar pipeline to Turkey is going ahead.


Putin has absolutely destroyed Russia's natural resources income.


And it is him only to blame for being a fascist arseh*le chasing delusions of a new Russian empire to replace his beloved failed USSR.

It's getting worse for Putin.

Russian gas shutdown forces closure of almost all industry in Transnistria

Pro-Russia Moldovan region suffers major hit after Ukraine ends transit agreement, with only food producers functioning

www.theguardian.com

The Ukrainian invasion really is going to go down as one of history's worst strategic disasters. Russia had a population problem before the war - Putin has now effectively downgraded Russia from superpower to middle power for centuries to come.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Zidane98]

Surely someone in the Russian air force can arrange to shoot down Putin's presidential jet by "mistake". It would just be a normal day's business in Russia.

 

[wannabejack]

‘Ukraine today is in the strongest position ever,’ ex-foreign minister Kuleba says

As Russia’s invasion of Ukraine inches toward the three-year mark, all eyes are on a potential peace agreement to end the war. If the parameters of any peace deal are likely to remain obscured for months to come, Ukraine’s ex-Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba says one thing is clear

kyivindependent.com

First, whatever we know of Putin, he will attack NATO only if he defeats Ukraine. If Ukraine comes out of this fight as a winning power and joins NATO, the combined military force of the alliance against Russia will be invincible.
Second, in the prospect of maybe 10 years or so, I anticipate the emergence of revenge-driven political forces in Ukraine. It may sound counterintuitive, but the only way to prevent Ukraine from waging a war on Russia will be to have it in NATO, to make it bound by legal obligations of not exposing its allies to the risk of war with Russia.

When we look at Ukraine from the perspective of today's headlines in the news and social media, we seem weak, bleeding and exhausted. But when we zoom out, we inevitably come to a conclusion that today Ukraine is in the strongest position ever in its history.
For the first time in hundreds of years, we have the state, the army, and the leadership. With all discussions taking place in the media and on the streets, we have national unity and clear national and political identities. For the first time, we are united in our attitude towards Russia.
So in this generation, we have no right to lose this struggle, because we are today in the strongest position possible compared to all the preceding generations of Ukrainians who had fought and lost, unfortunately.

From another article involving Dmytro Kuleba
The first one is that this generation of Ukrainians is the first time in thousands years of history of Ukraine that survived the Russian invasion. Every time before that the Russian invasion would immediately lead to taking over our capital and to our governments moving in exile, or in a bloodshed of anyone who had resisted Russian rule. So I’m saying thousand years because the first case was in the thirteenth century when the prince of Moscow, Yuri Dolgorukiy, pillaged Kyiv and took away and basically undermined the status of Kyiv as the political capital of Rus. So be it seventeenth century, be it eighteenth century, be it early twentieth century, we always failed.

And this is the first time that the Ukrainian state survived, and we are talking, and I don’t see the risk of the collapse of the Ukrainian statehood. So which is, of course, if you look at it from that perspective, a huge victory for a nation that had fought for its independence and for its right to have its own state and identity.

 

[Mofra]

Surely someone in the Russian air force can arrange to shoot down Putin's presidential jet by "mistake". It would just be a normal day's business in Russia.

Putin takes extreme measures to ensure his own safety. He has decades of KGB experience prior to his political career.
By all accounts he spends most of his time in bunkers anyway.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Putin takes extreme measures to ensure his own safety. He has decades of KGB experience prior to his political career.
By all accounts he spends most of his time in bunkers anyway.

This is what is ****ing hilarious about what the various vaniks here post. Their idol is shit scared of everything and they want us to believe that he'll push the button that wipes out everything he's ever known.

 

[Zidane98]

This is what is ****ing hilarious about what the various vaniks here post. Their idol is shit scared of everything and they want us to believe that he'll push the button that wipes out everything he's ever known.

Not to mention terrified of COVID. Hermetically sealed bunker reportedly during peak COVID. Those who met with him had to isolate for 14 days etc etc.

The only instance when Putin uses nukes is in the event Russia is attacked with nukes.


That's it, plain & simple.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Aussie in exile]

Sadly the Russian apologists on here won't condemn this action

 

[Rob R]

Sadly the Russian apologists on here won't condemn this action

They will condemn it but somehow make out the US is to blame.

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[Mobbs]

They will condemn it but somehow make out the US is to blame.

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****en NATO

 

[Nothing]

****en NATO

Imperialist US?

 

[jatz14]

So that's 100 Russian casualties for every 30 x 30 metre section gained......

Wonder if North Korean casualties are included? They themselves are having a disastrous time losing men left right and centre in kamikaze infantry attacks without any vehicle support. Any that survive commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner of war. Injured that make it out are bused to Moscow hospitals. Apparently their forces are part of their elite division which doesn't bode well for the quality of their homeland defence. South Korea would be watching with interest and taking notes.

North Koreans are denied access to the outside world, so that the NK leadership can tell them how well they have it in NK compared to everywhere else.

Given that, it is theorised that the NK soldiers in Ukraine are dead men walking, and know it.

There may be no intention that, having left NK, and having access to info from elsewhere, that they were to ever return.

it's likely their fate is to fight until they die.

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[Frank Grimes]

North Koreans are denied access to the outside world, so that the NK leadership can tell them how well they have it in NK compared to everywhere else.

Given that, it is theorised that the NK soldiers in Ukraine are dead men walking, and know it.

There may be no intention that, having left NK, and having access to info from elsewhere, that they were to ever return.

it's likely their fate is to fight until they die.

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If that's the case then these men will be next to useless in the field of battle.

From their point of view they are just going to the field for their own execution, not fight in a battle. They is no incentive or motivation to actually fight.

 

[Zidane98]

If that's the case then these men will be next to useless in the field of battle.

From their point of view they are just going to the field for their own execution, not fight in a battle. They is no incentive or motivation to actually fight.

Their families will be threatened