Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:

Europe - Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

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If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[1990crow]

Mainly because of the 1st world war tactic of throwing 1,000 of soldiers forward to their deaths for a gain most of 100 metres.
I would suspect now that Russia has lost over 1 million soldiers all for Putin's ego in his illegal invasion of Ukraine

1 million? I highly doubt that.

 

[Aussie in exile]

1 million? I highly doubt that.

I don't mainly because of this 1st world tactic
A reminder that the British lost 20,000 men on the first day of the battle of the Somme using the tactics that Russia is using now.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Trumps in a pickle. Said he would end the war, not escalate it.

On day one of his first day on his return to the White House, but then again who's stupid enough to believe what draft dodging donny says.

 

[Zidane98]

Trumps in a pickle. Said he would end the war, not escalate it.

That's a Putin issue. Trump has acted as an asset for Putin to force a surrender by the Ukrainians.

This clearly isn't going to happen. Ukraine have already offered a cease fire on reasonable terms. They will not be bullied by fascist Russia nor will Europe allow it even with zero US involvement.

Putin has no choice here. Otherwise he will force Trump to flip on him.

 

[OneGreatClub]

1 million? I highly doubt that.

Meat grinder tactic, even the Russian soldiers themselves are complaining about it.
Putin shows little consideration of his soldiers, or his people really.

 

[Zidane98]

1 million? I highly doubt that.

Not far off




These casualties are solely Putins fault.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Incredible to think that the straight line distance from Donetsk oblast to Munich is approx 1800 km which is less than the straight line distance between Adelaide and Townsville.

 

[wannabejack]

This was a long listen but really interesting to me.

Elon Musk, “Canada is not a real country”.
Vladimir Putin, “Ukraine is not a real country”.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Or.. intentional

 

[Mobbs]

Elon Musk, “Canada is not a real country”.
Vladimir Putin, “Ukraine is not a real country”.

And I was glad to learn the term "neo-eurasianism", which describes the position Dugin has, something I referred to in the past but didn't have a term for.

 

[Mobbs]

Russian milbloggers per [Denys Davydov TG]:

From Rus Z-channels:

This is roughly what the remnants of the Ukrainian bridgehead in the Kursk region look like now.



As one might guess, it’s rather problematic to fit thousands of encircled troops into 3-4 villages with pre-war populations of only a few hundred each. Moreover, there isn’t even a complete physical encirclement — the enemy has not lost the ability to leave the Kursk region on foot through forests and fields.

Those captured in small groups or alone (and who continue to be captured) are the ones left behind to cover the withdrawal of the main forces, those who remained at their positions after bridges were blown up and the main force (“chimney sweeps”) retreated, and those who got lost while trying to withdraw.

This is just to preempt questions like “Where did thousands of Ukrainian soldiers from the pocket disappear to?” — in fact, there was never a real encirclement. There was a threat of encirclement due to disrupted logistics, which is why the enemy began to retreat.

Why are Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump putting on a remote performance for each other about the encirclement of Ukrainian forces, appeals for mercy, and magnanimous agreements to spare them?

Most likely, it’s plain politics and negotiation games. Trump is trying to push Russia toward a ceasefire and is indulging them in every way so as not to scare them off, while Putin is using this situation to extract greater concessions from Ukraine, since the situation on the battlefield favors Russian forces, and there is little interest in a temporary truce right now.

Military Informant

 

[CD Xbow]

When you’re a lying fascist piece of shit, then of course you need to try and blame someone else….

I think he is bipolar and going off the rails. Needs more meds and not the Vitamin K variety.
Trump isn't just a narcissistic sociopath on a revenge tour, he's a sadist, wanting to cause the most pain he can.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Yep, only that Trump will still somehow find a way to blame Ukraine and help Russia.

Yep. This only goes one way with Trump in the White House.

He just won't stand for any sort of Ukrainian victory, so will constantly reframe the terms so as to bow to the whims of Putin, no matter what that bastard demands.

Trump and co will claim that a totally unreasonable Putin demand is totally reasonable, which will then turn the tables on Zelensky as being the fly in the ointment of a peace deal.

It's as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning, unfortunately.

 

[Saint]

Yep. This only goes one way with Trump in the White House.

He just won't stand for any sort of Ukrainian victory, so will constantly reframe the terms so as to bow to the whims of Putin, no matter what that bastard demands.

Trump and co will claim that a totally unreasonable Putin demand is totally reasonable, which will then turn the tables on Zelensky as being the fly in the ointment of a peace deal.

It's as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning, unfortunately.

This is exactly right, and why Zelensky is making every effort, very publicly, to say he wants peace, so that Trump can't frame it as Zelensky being the obstacle to peace.

US voters don't care that Gabbard, Vance and Trump are working for Russia.

They're about to start another war in Yemen/Iran and still the MAGAs who said Trump doesn't want war will support Putin and Trump, the warmongers.

Make no mistake, a ceasefire on Putin's terms with Trump's support will only lead to more war in the long run. The only question is when/where Putin will invade next.