Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:

Europe - Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

This is the thread for the geopolitics, history and framework around the Russia-Ukraine conflict. If you want to discuss the events of the war, head over to this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/war-in-ukraine-thread-4-thread-rules-updated.1376293/page-146

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If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[Present Not Past]

He's forced Europe to spend more on defence

If I were to engage in a concerted effort to threaten you and your family and cause you to spend more money on defending yourself and your family and property, is that generally a positive thing for you?
Really

I think you're telling little lies my friend.

 

[wannabejack]

He's forced Europe to spend more on defence

No need. They’re wasting their money.
"Trump envoy doesn't believe Putin wants to take over Europe."

 

[Dirty Bird]

Why?

because Musk is sacking everyone who couldnt justify their job
Why let these people remain employeed when you take into account how much misinformation they have let through by the people theyre apparently trying to stop

 

[OneGreatClub]

“Russia is denying these accusations”

 

[OneGreatClub]

because Musk is sacking everyone who couldnt justify their job
Why let these people remain employeed when you take into account how much misinformation they have let through by the people theyre apparently trying to stop

So trashing the organisation somehow solves the problem? Really?

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Present Not Past]

because Musk is sacking everyone who couldnt justify their job
Why let these people remain employeed when you take into account how much misinformation they have let through by the people theyre apparently trying to stop

Why let these people remain employed when you take into account how much misinformation they have let through by the people they're apparently trying to stop.

What the **** does this sentence even mean?
When does someone say stop this garbage?

 

[Smeg Head]

The name amused me, would be like someone called Pete Aussie running here.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[barreness]

You're actually pretending this is a defence of abducting children en masse?

It didn't happen like that. The children from the occupied/separatists areas are considered Ukrainian, the soldiers are considered Russian. It's a narrative thing.

Of course children should be sent away from the front, this is common sense and why the civilian casualties are low compared to military casualties(compared to most modern wars). Both sides evacuate civilians

There was a few hundred in orphanages near the front that were sent away when they still had relatives in unoccupied/western Ukraine, also some that were separated from their parents(or they were killed) in the initial chaos of the invasion. There is mechanisms for return of children and several hundred have been sent back/collected from Russia

Kids are always a great propaganda tool. Think babies in ovens in Kuwait, or the beheaded babies in Israel. These always turn out to be kinda rubbish. It's designed to draw on emotion.

The 20k, 150k, 700k numbers that have been thrown around are clearly a definitional thing. Russia has done dodgy things and of course the invasion is illegal. There's not much here though. Of course they get educated in Russian and do the nationalists propaganda things that all schools do, Refugees in Australia sing the anthem and learn about our glorious battle in Gallipoli

 

[OneGreatClub]

It didn't happen like that. The children from the occupied/separatists areas are considered Ukrainian, the soldiers are considered Russian. It's a narrative thing.

Of course children should be sent away from the front, this is common sense and why the civilian casualties are low compared to military casualties(compared to most modern wars). Both sides evacuate civilians

There was a few hundred in orphanages near the front that were sent away when they still had relatives in unoccupied/western Ukraine, also some that were separated from their parents(or they were killed) in the initial chaos of the invasion. There is mechanisms for return of children and several hundred have been sent back/collected from Russia

Kids are always a great propaganda tool. Think babies in ovens in Kuwait, or the beheaded babies in Israel. These always turn out to be kinda rubbish. It's designed to draw on emotion.

The 20k, 150k, 700k numbers that have been thrown around are clearly a definitional thing. Russia has done dodgy things and of course the invasion is illegal. There's not much here though. Of course they get educated in Russian and do the nationalists propaganda things that all schools do, Refugees in Australia sing the anthem and learn about our glorious battle in Gallipoli

Stop
Excusing genocide.
Stop
Excusing abduction of Ukrainian children.
Where are you from?
Russian propaganda runs deep
Putin is the aggressor . His army r*ped women and children and stole Ukrainian children.

 

[barreness]

Stop
Excusing genocide you low life Putin lover

You cheapen genocide by using it in this context.

I think you're getting a bit emotional here mate, calm it down a bit.

The twitter post is nothing to to with Ukrainian kids. Seems like just another something goes wrong in Europe, must be the Russians type deal. The immediate jump with the Heathrow fire was predictable

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[barreness]

This is true, and why you should never listen to these right wing flogs

It's also true that USaid(CIA front) pays for the bulk of Ukrainian 'independent' media. If it's written in English then it's meant for western consumption, it's how consent is manufactured for certain audiences.

Having said that some are better than others, Kyiv Post is straight trash while Kyiv Independent does some decent actual journalism, interviews with soldiers and the like

 

[OneGreatClub]

Poor kids.

 

[Mobbs]

"Russian forces have struck Sumy. Many wounded—so far, reports confirm 65 injured, including 14 children." - [NOEL Reports TG]

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"An injured child is carried out of a high-rise building in Sumy." - [NOEL Reports TG]
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"In Sumy, the number of victims has increased to 88 people, — the city council. Among the injured are 17 children." - [Denys Davydov TG]


Couple more images from [Skadovskii TG] :

 

[Chief]

It didn't happen like that.

Oh yeah I remember we had this "conversation".

You pretended that sending kids to the other side of Russia and brainwashing them was Putin being kind and trying to get the kids back to their home country.

I suppose it was, given the alternative of being abused and killed in a cellar.

Good for you for sticking up for the dictatorship. Must give you the warm and fuzzies.

 

[Mobbs]

(Posted 2 days ago)
"In Kherson, Russians used a drone to strike an already damaged building while ordinary people were repairing the roof." - [Kherson 18+ TG]
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[Mobbs]

Per [K1 TG]:

Ukrainian troops have occupied Popovka in the Krasnoyarsk district of the Belgorod region , claims "war correspondent" Romanov.

Pro-war bloggers reported that the Ukrainian Armed Forces had entered the village this afternoon. According to them, 10 Ukrainian soldiers took part in the raid.

As reported by Z-channels, Russian border guards defending strongholds in the Popovka area have been evacuated and wounded. Before that, they allegedly "called fire on themselves."

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[OneGreatClub]

(Posted 2 days ago)
"In Kherson, Russians used a drone to strike an already damaged building while ordinary people were repairing the roof." - [Kherson 18+ TG]
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Same way they do second strikes once ambulances and rescuers are on bomb sites. Barbarians.

 

[OneGreatClub]

You cheapen genocide by using it in this context.

I think you're getting a bit emotional here mate, calm it down a bit.

The twitter post is nothing to to with Ukrainian kids. Seems like just another something goes wrong in Europe, must be the Russians type deal. The immediate jump with the Heathrow fire was predictable

You cheapen rape and child abduction by saying it is justified or denying it.

 

[Mobbs]

Same way they do second strikes once ambulances and rescuers are on bomb sites. Barbarians.

Yep, its usually referred to as a double-tap, aimed most commonly at rescue/emergency services. The RF initially became the most notorious for it in Syria.

 

[wannabejack]

First Surveillance Satellite of Planned Czechia-Ukrainian Constellation in Orbit

New TROLL AI spy platform with hyperspectral sensors is the first of a satellite “constellation” under a Prague-Kyiv defense agreement, soon to be joined by the Ukrainian military DRAK microsatellite.

www.kyivpost.com

The program has taken on recent greater urgency amid concerns about the availability of Western intelligence support for Ukraine, particularly from the US whose Trump regime temporarily prevented Kyiv’s access to both government and commercial satellite imagery. TROLL / DRAK will, in the future, reduce Ukraine’s dependence on external space-based intelligence sources.