I think the other sequence of trades is far more likely, garners a better result for the pies and doesn't give Geel overs (beams for 5 and 25, 25 for greenwood, 21 for Christensen, 3 way Clark, H, Varcoe trade) achieves a much better balance for all if Collingwood can get over their pigheadedness (big if).
List Mgmt. We Got Him! Beams Trade Discussion (Not the Hype Thread)
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I think the other sequence of trades is far more likely, garners a better result for the pies and doesn't give Geel overs (beams for 5 and 25, 25 for greenwood, 21 for Christensen, 3 way Clark, H, Varcoe trade) achieves a much better balance for all if Collingwood can get over their pigheadedness (big if).
karix
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They could request it, yes.
Then why don't we?
lukiuslion
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Yeah your right I think, Varcoe wouldn't be included as a core requirement as they can probley get him later in the piece for a late pick or chump change. hopefully something gets done, I understand people are big on the "I don't mind if we miss out on beams" thing ATM, probley mostly so as we don't look like we care if the pies hold out after all the back and forth.. But I sincerely care, it's once in a decade you get a top 15 mid in his prime requesting a trade to your club.. We need this to happen.
karix
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It's basically a scorched earth tactic. Because it creates (even more) bad blood between the clubs and basically guarantees a normal deal won't be done. In short it's a pretty risky gamble.
I'm not sure exactly how the process works, but I imagine if successful at the grievance tribunal Beams would become a delisted free agent? Or does he just go back into the draft? Either way, it sounds like an option that we could pursue after trade week if the whole process fails.
Yep I hear you... Once Collingwood come to terms with the fact they don't have the pieces for Greenwood they'll come back to us I think. The fact they jumped at 5+21+25 shows they're softening. We just can't do a 3 for 1 trade.
Different thing. There's a mediation process that helps to find a middle ground for both parties. This isn't the same process as trying to breach contract.
They can't have Aish and Redden, so what do the pies fans do, go straight for Treloar after the club said no.
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Collingwood expect every player to jump at the chance to play for the black and white, I am thoroughly enjoying the fact we are hearing of no one putting their hands up
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Still doesnt take away from the fact if you want Beams you need to offer up otherwise allows GC or GWS to come in, even if he nominated Brisbane
given our strong position on what we are prepared to offer, could it be that we know that Beams ONLY wants to play with the Lions and wont play for anyone else (GWS and Gold Coast included) - and that while Collingwood say they have shut down discussions with us, we know that they will come back to our offer because of this. I know his manager has stated early on that Gold Coast shouldnt be in the mix when talking to the Suns about Beams.
Still doesn't take away the fact that GC can't afford him and GWS is in SYDNEY (and also can't afford him given they're offering Griffen a pay cut!). Can't offer up players who don't want to go there and unfortunately the only player putting their hand up is Greenwood and even though we have the pieces to help you secure him you're rolling the dice... Good luck with that.
I think both of those teams have numerous kids who are likely to be as good as him in a couple of years. He is a very good player but he is not truly an elite, above most others in his generation. I think he clearly would offer those teams a lift in the short term, but I think he might be of negligible benefit in the long term.
Collingwood want equals or overs for him. I don't see a hell of a lot of incentive for those clubs to start ripping out their kids and treating them like cattle in an attempt to get him. Especially when his dollars will be way over what the kids will be getting in a couple of years. They -might- just be able to fit him in their caps now but he is salary is going to be a huge problem for them in a couple of years. I think the Malceski types are what they are after now, burn bright for a couple of years on good dollars, help the kids along and then retire.
Of course if they can find some homesick kids that might make things a bit easier.
I'm not saying they will not be interested in him. I may be totally wrong, but I don't think he is necessarily the perfect fit for those clubs and I'm not sure they will be throwing kitchen sinks for him.
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Although if he doesn't want to go to those Clubs they wouldn't waste the pick...How many clubs have taken players that have nominated another club and put a price on their heads.. and it's worked out for all parties?
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Collingwood can talk to whoever they like and negotiate any deal they like. Whatever they do, they still have to persuade Beams to acquiesce to any trade deal. If they can do that, good luck to them (and him). Brisbane will move forward with 5, 25 and Christensen.
Even though negotiations between Collingwood and Brisbane have supposedly ceased, I would suggest that talks between Brisbane and Beams' manager would still be continuing on possible options for Beams moving forward. Those options have been done to death over the past week, so I won't repeat them yet again. Most of us know what they are.
Whatever the case, Collingwood can't send Beans to anywhere they like, irrespective of any deal they strike, without Beams' consent,
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I love how this is all our fault for stuffing up the trade.
Yeah you couldn't have less of a clue. GWS is in Brisbane?? They have huge $$$? GC obviously don't have the huge $$ and aren't going to trade ready made players either.
Yeah you couldn't have less of a clue. GWS is in Brisbane?? They have huge $$$? GC obviously don't have the huge $$ and aren't going to trade ready made players either.
Surely Connors has a move to play here. The Paddy article was an awesome circuit breaker that was clearly well timed and part of the overarching strategy to get Paddy to the right club, I can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve for Beams.
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Does he have to do anything?......As has been mentioned a few thousand times by opposition supporters...Beams is contracted...and what they failed to add...is he is very well remunerated by the Pies...When the brains trust at Collingwood set the deadline, they were well aware of the size of the players contract.....A lot of money to pay out on a player who potentially could spend most of the season away on compassionate leave.
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Agree. The Jay Clark article sounds like Connors was contacted but declined comment. Connors/Beams must be comfortable with how things are placed...
From all reports he's not on big money now (300-400k). There's absolutely a massive check in it for Connors to facilitate the move.
To be fair would you comment and have your name in that poor excuse for an article? 100% speculation 0% fact/sources. At least when Barrett gets it wrong someone's fed him some info and he hasn't just made it up. Connors will make sure any quotes etc are on his terms.
If I were CFC I'd rather have Varcoe than a really angry Beams.
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It was also reported he was in the $600K range and that the Varcoe deal has hit a pause because the Pies haven't got the cap space.
Leuy LongerCombo
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My view on things:
The Friday deadline.
Was set to try and get us to panic and give Collingwoood a "Bumper offer" Aish/Redden + Pick 5 type of deal - Failed
It also gives the Pies more time to convince him to stay, and spin the we've had your best interested at heart Press Realease.
Now they'll field offers from other clubs, Fake (Treloar + pick 19 etc) and Real offers (no reason to suggest Melb won't offer Pick3 + Extras) in another attempt to try and get the Aish/Redden deal.
Beams management will go to both sides and try and gauge how far apart we are. Collingwood will state we're miles apart and we're not in the ball park, He will come to us and we'll say we were a nine pick upgrade (Pick 30-21) off making a deal happen in a complicated 5 team/6 Player trade.
Beams will then decide if it's worth risking to nominate us or bust, fielding other offers or staying. He needs to be a willing participant in any trades. If we choose Brisbane or Bust it will put more pressure on the situation.
Meanwhile we'll be in the Kangas ear about the 3 way trade for Greenwood, which would net them a better pick. The Kangas will be reluctant to move him until they see what picks the Pies will have, to get the best deal for them.
I'm confident we will end up with Beams via the Greenwood trade. The Pies can spin the story without Beams being traded we didn't have the assets to secure Greenwood.
The Friday deadline.
Was set to try and get us to panic and give Collingwoood a "Bumper offer" Aish/Redden + Pick 5 type of deal - Failed
It also gives the Pies more time to convince him to stay, and spin the we've had your best interested at heart Press Realease.
Now they'll field offers from other clubs, Fake (Treloar + pick 19 etc) and Real offers (no reason to suggest Melb won't offer Pick3 + Extras) in another attempt to try and get the Aish/Redden deal.
Beams management will go to both sides and try and gauge how far apart we are. Collingwood will state we're miles apart and we're not in the ball park, He will come to us and we'll say we were a nine pick upgrade (Pick 30-21) off making a deal happen in a complicated 5 team/6 Player trade.
Beams will then decide if it's worth risking to nominate us or bust, fielding other offers or staying. He needs to be a willing participant in any trades. If we choose Brisbane or Bust it will put more pressure on the situation.
Meanwhile we'll be in the Kangas ear about the 3 way trade for Greenwood, which would net them a better pick. The Kangas will be reluctant to move him until they see what picks the Pies will have, to get the best deal for them.
I'm confident we will end up with Beams via the Greenwood trade. The Pies can spin the story without Beams being traded we didn't have the assets to secure Greenwood.
