Welcome Welcome to Adelaide: James Peatling - Traded with F3, F4 for F2

[Danger in Texas]

Peatling is Wayne confirmed

 

[JJ21]

Impressive debut for the Crows from Peatling, around 74 not out in the first T20 game for the win!

 

[1970crow]

I’m not a fan of taking a ruckman in the draft for three reasons
1. It’s the most over-rated position on the ground - many so called elite rucks haven’t won flags
2. They take too long to develop as a 18 year old draftee- until they are AFL ready
3 Always opportunities to trade for rucks, or grab a ruck through FA

Apart from Gawn who won a flag during a compromised Covid competition, not to many elite rucks have won flags

Even this year - a base wage player in Fort did his job against a highly paid player in Grundy

A ruck needs to be ultra competitive- not elite, and we don’t need to find them via the draft


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Many so called elite mids haven't won flags too.

 

[Shifty Crow]

Many so called elite mids haven't won flags too.

No joke Captain obvious

But you missed the point completely

Teams win flags with an elite midfielder, or two

However, teams have showed that premierships can be won without and elite ruckman

Just to spell it out

- almost impossible to win a flag without an elite midfielder

- but can win a flag without an elite ruckman


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[George Kramer]

No joke Captain obvious

But you missed the point completely

Teams win flags with an elite midfielder, or two

However, teams have showed that premierships can be won without and elite ruckman

Just to spell it out

- almost impossible to win a flag without an elite midfielder

- but can win a flag without an elite ruckman


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Swans had elite midfielders that let them down. Swans tackling and pressure was non existent. They choked, it doesn’t matter what Grundy did on that day, the rest of the team sucked, whereas the whole Brisbane team was awesome.

Would Swans have made the GF without Grundy? They scraped into the 8 the previous year without him.

Would Brisbane made the GF without Oscar?

 

[Cromulant]

Swans had elite midfielders that let them down. Swans tackling and pressure was non existent. They choked, it doesn’t matter what Grundy did on that day, the rest of the team sucked, whereas the whole Brisbane team was awesome.

Would Swans have made the GF without Grundy? They scraped into the 8 the previous year without him.

Would Brisbane made the GF without Oscar?

It's a good question.

If Darcy Fort plays all year I don't think they make a GF, hell if Oscar doesn't come back on in the prelim and Joe is left to ruck the whole day I don't think they do either.

But at the same time is a ruckman that important ?? Where would we be with Max Gawn or Tristan Xerri ??

 

[George Kramer]

It's a good question.

If Darcy Fort plays all year I don't think they make a GF, hell if Oscar doesn't come back on in the prelim and Joe is left to ruck the whole day I don't think they do either.

But at the same time is a ruckman that important ?? Where would we be with Max Gawn or Tristan Xerri ??

You’ve just answered it yourself, without Grundy and Oscar neither team make the GF.

Look I’m not saying have a gun ruck and the rest of the team is average you’ll win a flag, but a ruck is an important position, just like any other position on the team. Teams have won flags without a gun KPF or defender or small forward, but that doesn’t stop clubs using valuable draft or trade capital on finding decent ones.

Teams also invest a lot of draft and trade capital on mids, how many of them make it or are elite? Not many.

So allocating a draft pick here or there on a ruck isn’t a stretch, issue is we haven’t at all, our only 2 rucks are rookies and they suck, our lead ruck can’t event hold his place in the team nor make the top 10 of our B&F.

Rucks also get a bum wrap because there is usually only one in a team and they are easy to isolate, nowhere to hide if the team doesn’t perform. Whereas you’ve got a bunch of forwards, defenders and mids who can hide behind each other, hard to just blame just one on them on a result.

Also I’m not saying grab a guy who can just tap the ball, but one who can mark, contribute in the middle and around the ground, you’ve got yourself effectively a taller mid like a Grundy or Gawn or English or Jackson.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You’ve just answered it yourself, without Grundy and Oscar neither team make the GF.

Look I’m not saying have a gun ruck and the rest of the team is average you’ll win a flag, but a ruck is an important position, just like any other position on the team. Teams have won flags without a gun KPF or defender or small forward, but that doesn’t stop clubs using valuable draft or trade capital on finding decent ones.

Teams also invest a lot of draft and trade capital on mids, how many of them make it or are elite? Not many.

So allocating a draft pick here or there on a ruck isn’t a stretch, issue is we haven’t at all, our only 2 rucks are rookies and they suck, our lead ruck can’t event hold his place in the team nor make the top 10 of our B&F.

Rucks also get a bum wrap because there is usually only one in a team and they are easy to isolate, nowhere to hide if the team doesn’t perform. Whereas you’ve got a bunch of forwards, defenders and mids who can hide behind each other, hard to just blame just one on them on a result.

Also I’m not saying grab a guy who can just tap the ball, but one who can mark, contribute in the middle and around the ground, you’ve got yourself effectively a taller mid like a Grundy or Gawn or English or Jackson.

Out of 40 players on a list, 3 spots should be rucks. It's common sense. Injuries happen and they are important to the game plan. Well in theory if we had a game plan.

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[119others]

Out of 40 players on a list, 3 spots should be rucks. It's common sense. Injuries happen and they are important to the game plan. Well in theory if we had a game plan.

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sounds right inc at different age levels where our club is currently out of whack. 100% need to induce a 4 year+ experienced ruckman this year thru FA (would love De Koning but v unlikely) or a second stronger at another team (eg if Power draft Dodson they have Visentini we could target)

My view is 50/50 with previous posts. There are VERY few truly dominant game changing ruckmen like Gawn or Rehn and overall as a position you dont need a gun ruckman. However you cant afford a DUD ruckman where you get smashed (see Strachans pathetic effort vs Richmond) as its a clear disadvantage.

ROB has been adequate in the last 5-6 years. Is competitive in the ruck but at the very low end of what else he provides and esp his around the ground marking which was actually good in his B&F year for whatever reason has regressed materially since. Which for the AFLs smartest and one of most driven players is hard for me to work out

 

[AFC979810]

Would Swans have made the GF without Grundy? They scraped into the 8 the previous year without him.

Yes.

2022 - No Grundy - 16 wins and smashed in Grand Final.
2023 - No Grundy - 12 wins, Lose an elimination final by 6 points.
2024 - Grundy - 17 wins and smashed in Grand Final.

Lets not act like Grundy was the difference between 23 and 24.

Would Brisbane made the GF without Oscar?

Yes.


If you replaced Grundy/Oscar with ROB those teams still make the GF.

 

[Pugsley]

How about that James Peatling?

 

[AFC979810]

How about that James Peatling?

Could be a great ruckman.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Could be a great ruckman.

May not get a game yet, has to prove himself down back in deep defence in the Sanfl

 

[Pugsley]

He didn't see Isaac Cumming

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Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

 

[adelaidecrows]

He didn't see Isaac Cumming

he might have, after a dinner and a movie first of course!