Toast Welcome to the club Ed "Red" Richards

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Or helped develop him into the player you are seeing today?

Exactly right. People don't seem to understand that being put in different positions to what your use to, does develop them more for when in their customary role when a bit more games mature.

 

[Libba39]

A couple of things.

Ed is having such a fantastic year. He seems to be running on top of the ground when all others are wearing concrete boots. His intercept marking has improved five-fold (is that posible??). Could Ed poll some sneaky brownlow votes? He certainly catches the eye.

Also, is it time this thread is given a jazzy name? I think Ed has earned it!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

A couple of things.

Ed is having such a fantastic year. He seems to be running on top of the ground when all others are wearing concrete boots. His intercept marking has improved five-fold (is that posible??). Could Ed poll some sneaky brownlow votes? He certainly catches the eye.

Also, is it time this thread is given a jazzy name? I think Ed has earned it!

Does anyone call him “Red”? Seems not. Wonder what his nickname is around the club.

 

[SPower]

Does anyone call him “Red”? Seems not. Wonder what his nickname is around the club.

Louie the lip

 

[LondonBulldog]

I really hope he wins our best and fairest.

He is the only one who deserves it, yet we know its hard for defenders to win.

 

[maddog37]

I really hope he wins our best and fairest.

He is the only one who deserves it, yet we know its hard for defenders to win.

Libba.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Libba.

Yes Libba is the only other, yet Richards has taken his game to another level and I believe deserves it the most.

 

[maddog37]

Yes Libba is the only other, yet Richards has taken his game to another level and I believe deserves it the most.

Has been great agreed, but I feel a touch of recency bias on that judgement.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Yes Libba is the only other, yet Richards has taken his game to another level and I believe deserves it the most.

He’d better not win Most Improved

 

[weltschmerz]

Libba, Richards, Macrae or Naughton for top 3.

 

[Barking Mad]

Also, is it time this thread is given a jazzy name? I think Ed has earned it!

I was looking for an Ed thread when I posted here. I agree Ed deserves a Weeing in Ed’s pocket thread.
I’ve now finally found a new favourite since Moz retired.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Will he make AA squad? My guess is probably not quite… but nearly.

 

[dogwatch]

Will he make AA squad? My guess is probably not quite… but nearly.

I know it shouldn't come down to this but it might depend on results this weekend. AA selectors will feel the need to put players from top 8 sides in. It's a bit like the old "you can't give him BoG if the side didn't win" mentality. Such is the shallowness of the press punditry.

Our best players this season have probably been Richards, Liberatore, Naughton, English, Dunkley and Macrae (maybe Weightman and Dale too?) There are plenty of players in similar roles you'd put ahead of Dunkley and Macrae. Naughton would be fighting for one of probably only two spots against a few higher scoring KPFs so would probably miss out, especially after a lean trot late in the season. I don't think Libba has been flashy enough to catch the selectors eye but might sneak into a squad position.

That leaves only English and Richards and I doubt English would get in because he is still only breaking even against average ruckmen in his tap work (despite his excellent around the ground work).

So if Richards is the only one left he might well get in on his own merits, maybe even make the final 22. Or he might not.
But if we make the finals and we have no other contenders I reckon they'd feel obliged to put him into the squad of 40 at least.

Shite reasoning, but I fear that's the way they work.

 

[dogwatch]

What about Ugle-Hagan, DW ?

Take your trolling elsewhere.

 

[CountryDog5]

**** sake. Can we get an automatic time-out whenever a certain poster targets a certain player in each thread? It's not even relevant threads anymore, it's wherever they get a chance and it's pathetic. The first few times I saw it raised eyebrows, but I thought it was just a poster who's take I disagreed with. Now after seeing it over and over again it's fairly obvious it's not just a poorly thought out opinion, it's a targeted attack on a player thinly veiled as an opinion about the players supposed "lack of ability". Fully understand allowing differing opinions on this board, it's welcomed and part of healthy discussion, however the ongoing comments are not that and should be stamped out.

On topic, Ed has been sensational this year and I think he'd currently be top 3 in our BnF. We have a decent history with defenders polling well in the Sutton medal so his efforts won't be going unnoticed. He's been a breath of fresh air this year with his defend first, attack 2nd mentality because of how we'll he's balanced both parts of his game. Genuine gun for us.

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[bobs head soup]

I know it shouldn't come down to this but it might depend on results this weekend. AA selectors will feel the need to put players from top 8 sides in. It's a bit like the old "you can't give him BoG if the side didn't win" mentality. Such is the shallowness of the press punditry.

Our best players this season have probably been Richards, Liberatore, Naughton, English, Dunkley and Macrae (maybe Weightman and Dale too?) There are plenty of players in similar roles you'd put ahead of Dunkley and Macrae. Naughton would be fighting for one of probably only two spots against a few higher scoring KPFs so would probably miss out, especially after a lean trot late in the season. I don't think Libba has been flashy enough to catch the selectors eye but might sneak into a squad position.

That leaves only English and Richards and I doubt English would get in because he is still only breaking even against average ruckmen in his tap work (despite his excellent around the ground work).

So if Richards is the only one left he might well get in on his own merits, maybe even make the final 22. Or he might not.
But if we make the finals and we have no other contenders I reckon they'd feel obliged to put him into the squad of 40 at least.

Shite reasoning, but I fear that's the way they work.

Although I think Richards has been better than Dale this year, I reckon Dale is more likely to get an AA gong. The selectors go for what they are least likely to be criticised for and so are swayed by stats.

The most obvious example being the highest goalkicket being a kpf lock each year.

When they are weighing up a Dale vs a Richards, 18 games with 25+ touches versus 1 game with 25+ touches is a huge difference.

Statistically Dale is similar or slightly ahead of last year.

We also know the selectors rate Dale, having already given him a selection, which also means he was on their radar from game 1.

 

[dogwatch]

Although I think Richards has been better than Dale this year, I reckon Dale is more likely to get an AA gong. The selectors go for what they are least likely to be criticised for and so are swayed by stats.

The most obvious example being the highest goalkicket being a kpf lock each year.

When they are weighing up a Dale vs a Richards, 18 games with 25+ touches versus 1 game with 25+ touches is a huge difference.

Statistically Dale is similar or slightly ahead of last year.

We also know the selectors rate Dale, having already given him a selection, which also means he was on their radar from game 1.

You may be right especially if they fail to take into account the number of extra “touches” that Dale gets from taking kick out duties more often than Richards. I expect there would be a significant number.
Oliver Gigacz would it be too much to ask how many such touches each player has had? Also MG over the year?

 

[dogwatch]

You may be right especially if they fail to take into account the number of extra “touches” that Dale gets from taking kick out duties more often than Richards. I expect there would be a significant number.
Oliver Gigacz would it be too much to ask how many such touches each player has had? Also MG over the year?

I was able to find the MG stat so no need to look for that one OG.

Dale - 21 games - 569.43 avge (5th in AFL overall)
B Smith - 15 - 538.73 (7th)
Bontempelli - 20 - 420.45 (32nd)
Macrae - 21 - 395.52 (49th)
Daniel - 17 - 394.18 (52nd)
Treloar - 20 - 365.75 (79th)
Richards - 20 - 353.75 (89th)

Dale would still get some of those MG from his kicking out role (as would Daniel) but on the simple basis of the table I agree with BHS that Dale is probably more likely to get the AA selectors' attention than Richards. Not saying it's right but it's how it seems to work. TBF Dale has had a good season. I just felt he was a little off last year's form but maybe it's the expectation trap.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Although I think Richards has been better than Dale this year, I reckon Dale is more likely to get an AA gong. The selectors go for what they are least likely to be criticised for and so are swayed by stats.

The most obvious example being the highest goalkicket being a kpf lock each year.

When they are weighing up a Dale vs a Richards, 18 games with 25+ touches versus 1 game with 25+ touches is a huge difference.

Statistically Dale is similar or slightly ahead of last year.

We also know the selectors rate Dale, having already given him a selection, which also means he was on their radar from game 1.

And this is why I don't rate the Brownlow. Unfortunately everyone is obsessed with stats when it should be value. Richards never got a vote on the Sunday footy show last week. He was best on ground to most at the ground, his ability to beat not only his opponent yet cover for others and repel the ball got us over the line.

Dale has had a good year as well yet any week in week out Bulldog supporters knows the Richards year has been better. Unfortunately AA selector will look at stats which don't always tell the full story, especially when Dale likely gets 7 "kicks in" credited to him each week.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Richards never got a vote on the Sunday footy show last week.

That's so absurd. That surely suggests they didn't actually watch the game at all. There is no way that anybody who watched, either in-person or on TV, could reasonably not have him in the top two or three players on the ground at worst.

 

[Mahama]

You may be right especially if they fail to take into account the number of extra “touches” that Dale gets from taking kick out duties more often than Richards. I expect there would be a significant number.
Oliver Gigacz would it be too much to ask how many such touches each player has had? Also MG over the year?

Wheelo Ratings has the kick ins stats (number taken, % of team kick ins and % played on). It adds about 5 touches per game to Dale's disposal numbers compared to Richards. Mind you, I wouldn't necessarily want All Australian selectors to discount those disposals entirely - kicking out against a set zone is probably one of the most difficult / important skills in footy, and we trust Dale with them because he's incredible at it.

Also on Wheelo Ratings, if you filter to only show medium defenders it gives a good sense of why there's pretty much 0 chance Richards makes All Australian this year, despite how good he's been. That position is crazy competitive this season, and there's a lot of players that have him covered in both the offensive and defensive stats selectors will be looking at.

 

[Oliver G]

You may be right especially if they fail to take into account the number of extra “touches” that Dale gets from taking kick out duties more often than Richards. I expect there would be a significant number.
Oliver Gigacz would it be too much to ask how many such touches each player has had? Also MG over the year?

DMKI = disposals minus kick-in play ons, TP = total possessions (contested + uncontested)

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

DMKI = disposals minus kick-in play ons, TP = total possessions (contested + uncontested)

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A couple of questions so i know how to read this (i don't think i understand TP)

• Does this mean that Macrae has had 18 play ons from kick outs this year?
• How does Treloar have more DMKI than TP?
• Bailey Dale is on 441 for both DMKI and TP?

 

[doggies ftw]

A couple of questions so i know how to read this (i don't think i understand TP)

• Does this mean that Macrae has had 18 play ons from kick outs this year?
• How does Treloar have more DMKI than TP?
• Bailey Dale is on 441 for both DMKI and TP?

Could be wrong but maybe holding the balls? Ie getting caught holding the ball = a possession but not a disposal?

 

[Oliver G]

Could be wrong but maybe holding the balls? Ie getting caught holding the ball = a possession but not a disposal?

Not quite that, full explanation below...

A couple of questions so i know how to read this (i don't think i understand TP)

• Does this mean that Macrae has had 18 play ons from kick outs this year?
• How does Treloar have more DMKI than TP?
• Bailey Dale is on 441 for both DMKI and TP?

Disposals and possessions aren't one and the same. Disposals are just kicks and handballs while possessions are made up of contested and uncontested possessions which can be gained by doing one of the following...

Contested Possessions
Free For
Gather From Hitout
Hard Ball Get
Knock On Contested
Loose Ball Get
Mark Contested

Uncontested Possessions
Free For Off The Ball
Free For Advantage
Gather
Gather From Opposition
Handball Received
Mark Lead
Mark Uncontested

Dale has had 558 disposals, but only 441 possessions with the difference of 117 being accounted for by kick-in play ons which are counted officially as disposals but not as possessions.

Midfielders will more often than not have more possessions than disposals in their tally, this is due to several reasons the main ones being that if they take possession of a ground ball and then get tackled which ends up in a stoppage, they will be credited with the possession but no disposal because it ended up in a stoppage. Another reason is that free kicks are counted as contested possessions regardless of whether the team takes the advantage, so if a player gets a free kick but then another player picks the ball up and takes advantage the initial player getting the free kick will still get credited with a possession.

Macrae has had 646 disposals made up of 310 kicks and 336 handballs, while he's had 664 possessions made up of 246 contested and 418 uncontested. He has taken 0 kick-ins.

Dale has had 558 disposals made up of 392 kicks and 166 handballs, while he's had 441 possessions made up of 99 contested and 342 uncontested. He has taken 121 kick-ins with 117 of them kick-in play ons

Treloar has had 544 disposals made up of 265 kicks and 279 handballs, while he's had 524 possessions made up of 168 contested and 356 uncontested. He has taken 16 kick-ins with 14 of them being kick-in play ons.