Wellingham - Traded to West Coast

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I think Wellingham could be the perfect replacement for Kerr when he retires. He has never really had an oppotunity to play as a full time midfielder at Collingwood. He has always had Swan, Pendlebury, Ball, Didak, Johnson, Thomas, Davis and more lately Beams and Sidebottom in front of him. The one game in which he got a full game in the midfield with Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas and Didak out he racked up 37 touches and kicked a goal or 2. He has never really had a chance again to play that sort of role. Would love to keep him but if he wants to go good luck to him.
 

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Lol, no i don't agree with you.

Wellingham holds more trade currency than Kerr, only an imbecile would suggest otherwise.

So he is nowhere near the same calibre as Kerr (who would be considered a first round selection) but you want the same compensation based on what?

Edit: Kerr isnt up for trade, but im sure if he was only an imbecile would think they would worth the same.
 
So he is nowhere near the same calibre as Kerr (who would be considered a first round selection) but you want the same compensation based on what?

Edit: Kerr isnt up for trade, but im sure if he was only an imbecile would think they would worth the same.

Kerr is over 5 years older has has been battling injurys the last 2 years lol, get a grip FFS.
 
So he is nowhere near the same calibre as Kerr (who would be considered a first round selection) but you want the same compensation based on what?

Edit: Kerr isnt up for trade, but im sure if he was only an imbecile would think they would worth the same.
It's the same reason that Tippett is worth far more in a trade than Goodes
 
So he is nowhere near the same calibre as Kerr (who would be considered a first round selection) but you want the same compensation based on what?

Edit: Kerr isnt up for trade, but im sure if he was only an imbecile would think they would worth the same.
Im a bit confused by what you are trying to say but right now, if Kerr was looking for a new home. Aged 29 he would be lucky to get a second round pick. No doubt he is a superstar, however no one is going to pay up big for someone who will be 30 for most of next year.
If you are suggesting that because Kerr was taken as a first round pick so every other player who is offered a first round pick should be as good a Kerr or no deal. You are a little crazy. Kerr was a first round selection by our Brownlow medal winning player in Swan was a mid 50's selection. By your logic does that mean Kerr should have been selected at about 55? There are bad first round picks as well. Some dont even play games. Danny Roach at selection 7 (11 above Kerr) played 1 game for the Pies.

EDIT: Kerr was 1 selection of 2nd round.
 

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Im a bit confused by what you are trying to say but right now, if Kerr was looking for a new home. Aged 29 he would be lucky to get a second round pick. No doubt he is a superstar, however no one is going to pay up big for someone who will be 30 for most of next year.
If you are suggesting that because Kerr was taken as a first round pick so every other player who is offered a first round pick should be as good a Kerr or no deal. You are a little crazy. Kerr was a first round selection by our Brownlow medal winning player in Swan was a mid 50's selection. By your logic does that mean Kerr should have been selected at about 55? There are bad first round picks as well. Some dont even play games. Danny Roach at selection 7 (11 above Kerr) played 1 game for the Pies.

Has got nothing to do with where he was selected in the ND, but how a previous Collingwood poster compared Wellingham to Kerr ("west coasts best midfielder") stating they are the same, when they clearly are not.
 
No, they were both laughable trades at the time & have proven to be so.
The Wellingham deal is not so. The Boot is a good player, playing well in the seniors & consistent. Neither of the two you mention were close to that at the time.

Really showing your ignorance there. Lovett played 22 games plus averaged more disposals & kicked more goals in the year before his trade than Wellingham has at any stage of his career. Reality is that Wellingham is only an average performer. If you are a mid, averaging less than 20 touches per week you'd wanna be a very effective tagger, game breaker or more frequent goal kicker to be considered a player worthy of a big trade. Wellingham is a good ball user, smooth mover & does most things well but IMHO isn't above good in any areas. Maybe he is capable of making that next step at another club but he isn't there yet & so I don't believe he's worthy of a top trade. I just don't see match winner.
 
Yes. Of course they didn't. Judd made it clear he wanted his nominated club to offer WCE fair compensation and Carlton did that. So much so, that every man and his dog acknowledges it as one of the best examples of a top end trade coming out win-win for both clubs - some even question if WCE got the better end of the stick. Carlton did not want to give away JK one little bit; everyone knew what a talent he was (except opposition supporters of course). Talk about gumption ... Carlton have been one of the most reasonable traders of the last 5 years. The only people genuinely pissed with us have been Freo over Warnock and that's because they wanted overs for their man.
Carlton also petulantly refused to deal with Collingwood over Fevola in 2009.
 
Lovett was a cancer off field and an very inconsistent performer on field.

Essendon totally reamed StKilda on that trade. Bombers went and wasted the pick on Mark Williams. The ultimate lose-lose.

So you agree that paying a similar price for a guy who performs less would also be a lose situation for the buyer?

BTW - we got Jake Carlisle for the Lovett pick as well.
 
So you agree that paying a similar price for a guy who performs less would also be a lose situation for the buyer?

BTW - we got Jake Carlisle for the Lovett pick as well.

Lovett was dropped twice in 2009 in a side that lost more games than they won. He also averaged 16 disposals per game on a wing.

His output was quite a deal below Wellingham's and had never stood up in finals and GF's like Wellingham.
 
So you agree that paying a similar price for a guy who performs less would also be a lose situation for the buyer?

BTW - we got Jake Carlisle for the Lovett pick as well.

Same-same. You could have got Carlisle with the Williams pick, it was about the same. Just like Bombers fans who claim they got Dempsey for Richards....the fact is they could have got Dempsey and kept Richards if they hadnt paid up for Cole.

Wellingham is a far superior player than Lovett in every way.
 
Really showing your ignorance there. Lovett played 22 games plus averaged more disposals & kicked more goals in the year before his trade than Wellingham has at any stage of his career. Reality is that Wellingham is only an average performer. If you are a mid, averaging less than 20 touches per week you'd wanna be a very effective tagger, game breaker or more frequent goal kicker to be considered a player worthy of a big trade. Wellingham is a good ball user, smooth mover & does most things well but IMHO isn't above good in any areas. Maybe he is capable of making that next step at another club but he isn't there yet & so I don't believe he's worthy of a top trade. I just don't see match winner.

This....
He just isn't worth a first round draft pick. That's the blunt end of it.
 
Lovett was dropped twice in 2009 in a side that lost more games than they won. He also averaged 16 disposals per game on a wing.

His output was quite a deal below Wellingham's and had never stood up in finals and GF's like Wellingham.

Huh? He played 22 of 23 games including the 1st 18 in a row & only missed 1 game (round 19) after going to Perth & came back after 1 week to get 22 plus a goal. His output in 2009 was higher than any season Wellingham has produced - thats the reality. As for grand finals, how can you compare Lovett when he never played in 1? Does Wellingham's 13 touches in the 1st GF make him better than the myriad of past players who have never had the opportunity to play in a gf?

Its pretty clear to me that if you agree that Lovett wasn't worth a high draft pick then what makes Wellingham worth it? To me he looks a classic example of a good player is a very good side. As I said, Wellingham may step up to be a very good player with a new club but he's not there yet.
 

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