West Coast Eagles Priority Pick (2024)

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

For Eagles the path will be simple

• AFL rule change across the board to allow teams outside of Gold Coast/Sydney to match bids for academy players
• Ask for 2 end of 1st round picks
• Use end of 1st round picks to match bid for Malaki Champion

I think the first change will occur regardless of what Eagles think however. Fremantle are barking louder then we are even after missing on Mitch Edwards

 

[King Hansen]

This thread should be locked. They won the premiership in 2018 for ****s sake..

Re-open this in 15 years time if they're still shithouse.

 

[JackOutback]

This thread should be locked. They won the premiership in 2018 for *s sake..

Re-open this in 15 years time if they're still shithouse.

You made a prelim in 2015... you giving back your handouts?

 

[Vankri]

Forget about comparing teams and how bad they each were at a point in time to receive extra assistance from the AFL, just for a sec.

The idea of assistance in the form of priority picks isn’t or shouldn’t be simply linked just to poor performance. That’s what the regular draft is for. It shouldn’t also be linked to trade gambles and moves that didn’t pay off as that is a one off issue that the years can fix.

Extra assistance should come if a club has repeatedly failed to get itself back to competitiveness because of some form of structural issue. For example the very fact that the club has underperformed for so long and with multiple attempts that they simply can’t attract new talent and can’t retain the one they get through the regular draft. Or the club has gone through major issue with finances impacting their facilities and attractiveness. Or, controversial perhaps, the club lives outside of AFL heartland and is losing too much talent as a result. That sort of structural issue, combined with proven underperformance over the years would show that the usual mechanisms won’t be enough to get them back on track.

Taking this approach in the Eagles case means it’s not relevant to refuse them assistance just because they won the flag in 2018, but equally their rebuild hasn’t been proven a fail yet as it simply hasn’t been long enough to determine that there’s no way they can become competitive again with the bulk of their list and the regular draft and trade mechanisms. They also have strong local talent they can still attract, a great financial position and a strong brand. Hard to tell what the AFL will do (expect something dumb like a single end of first round pick) but I imagine the Eagles’ case for assistance would be a lot more compelling if they had sacked their coach to try something different (and failed), split their picks or been proactive in bringing in a batch of players (rather than hold on to Reid for example) or simply if the club was so poorly run that the AFL couldn’t see how it could get back up on its own again.

 

[the harry]

Forget about comparing teams and how bad they each were at a point in time to receive extra assistance from the AFL, just for a sec.

The idea of assistance in the form of priority picks isn’t or shouldn’t be simply linked just to poor performance. That’s what the regular draft is for. It shouldn’t also be linked to trade gambles and moves that didn’t pay off as that is a one off issue that the years can fix.

Extra assistance should come if a club has repeatedly failed to get itself back to competitiveness because of some form of structural issue. For example the very fact that the club has underperformed for so long and with multiple attempts that they simply can’t attract new talent and can’t retain the one they get through the regular draft. Or the club has gone through major issue with finances impacting their facilities and attractiveness. Or, controversial perhaps, the club lives outside of AFL heartland and is losing too much talent as a result. That sort of structural issue, combined with proven underperformance over the years would show that the usual mechanisms won’t be enough to get them back on track.

Taking this approach in the Eagles case means it’s not relevant to refuse them assistance just because they won the flag in 2018, but equally their rebuild hasn’t been proven a fail yet as it simply hasn’t been long enough to determine that there’s no way they can become competitive again with the bulk of their list and the regular draft and trade mechanisms. They also have strong local talent they can still attract, a great financial position and a strong brand. Hard to tell what the AFL will do (expect something dumb like a single end of first round pick) but I imagine the Eagles’ case for assistance would be a lot more compelling if they had sacked their coach to try something different (and failed), split their picks or been proactive in bringing in a batch of players (rather than hold on to Reid for example) or simply if the club was so poorly run that the AFL couldn’t see how it could get back up on its own again.

The draft isn't working.

In 2008 we finished second last and got an end of first round compo pick. We pick 2, 20, and 22.

22 being the effective PP.

We didn't have to trade or split picks for that.

Last year we were materially worse and ended up with pick 1 and 30.

The draft pool has been diluted by FA compo, PP, academy selections and isn't an avenue for a rebuild any more.

 

[King Hansen]

You made a prelim in 2015... you giving back your handouts?

Didn't realise a prelim was the same thing as winning a flag. If so, sure. Take them back.

 

[King Hansen]

Why do big clubs like WC rely on AFL handouts to be relevant all the time . Judd, Shuey AND Darling. When will this madness stop?!?!

 

[kaiserchief13]

Forget about comparing teams and how bad they each were at a point in time to receive extra assistance from the AFL, just for a sec.

The idea of assistance in the form of priority picks isn’t or shouldn’t be simply linked just to poor performance. That’s what the regular draft is for. It shouldn’t also be linked to trade gambles and moves that didn’t pay off as that is a one off issue that the years can fix.

Extra assistance should come if a club has repeatedly failed to get itself back to competitiveness because of some form of structural issue. For example the very fact that the club has underperformed for so long and with multiple attempts that they simply can’t attract new talent and can’t retain the one they get through the regular draft. Or the club has gone through major issue with finances impacting their facilities and attractiveness. Or, controversial perhaps, the club lives outside of AFL heartland and is losing too much talent as a result. That sort of structural issue, combined with proven underperformance over the years would show that the usual mechanisms won’t be enough to get them back on track.

Taking this approach in the Eagles case means it’s not relevant to refuse them assistance just because they won the flag in 2018, but equally their rebuild hasn’t been proven a fail yet as it simply hasn’t been long enough to determine that there’s no way they can become competitive again with the bulk of their list and the regular draft and trade mechanisms. They also have strong local talent they can still attract, a great financial position and a strong brand. Hard to tell what the AFL will do (expect something dumb like a single end of first round pick) but I imagine the Eagles’ case for assistance would be a lot more compelling if they had sacked their coach to try something different (and failed), split their picks or been proactive in bringing in a batch of players (rather than hold on to Reid for example) or simply if the club was so poorly run that the AFL couldn’t see how it could get back up on its own again.

If only the draft didn't have any dilution with father sons and academy players sent to a set club no matter what, then maybe it would be fair

 

[Chase1ne]

No team should be receiving PP's or assistance (outside of starting up packages new sides to the comp like Tasmania will get).

Additionally top teams should not have access to top talent in the draft via Academies or F/S. The purpose of the draft is to help the worst teams bring in the best young talent, to improve their list and rise from the bottom. But that's all been compromised, and teams are gaming the system.

So, scrap it all, at least for the first round at the minimum.

It doesn't need to be a complicated system.

• No F/S or Academy bid matching for all teams across the 1st round. If teams want them, trade up for them.
• No discounts for bid matching from round 2 onwards.
• No compensation for Free Agents. Teams either have to cough up picks (the value of which is dependent on the contract value) or work a trade agreeable to both sides if they're an RFA.

 

[ghostbat12]

Why do big clubs like WC rely on AFL handouts to be relevant all the time . Judd, Shuey AND Darling. When will this madness stop?!?!

You do realise that if afl did not give handouts, we would still have drafted Judd yeh?

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Big club does not equal more salary cap or draft picks.

Not in Australia, where being a big club means you have to give up large portions (millions) to poor clubs to remain solvent, let alone relevant.

 

[ghostbat12]

Forget about comparing teams and how bad they each were at a point in time to receive extra assistance from the AFL, just for a sec.

The idea of assistance in the form of priority picks isn’t or shouldn’t be simply linked just to poor performance. That’s what the regular draft is for. It shouldn’t also be linked to trade gambles and moves that didn’t pay off as that is a one off issue that the years can fix.

Extra assistance should come if a club has repeatedly failed to get itself back to competitiveness because of some form of structural issue. For example the very fact that the club has underperformed for so long and with multiple attempts that they simply can’t attract new talent and can’t retain the one they get through the regular draft. Or the club has gone through major issue with finances impacting their facilities and attractiveness. Or, controversial perhaps, the club lives outside of AFL heartland and is losing too much talent as a result. That sort of structural issue, combined with proven underperformance over the years would show that the usual mechanisms won’t be enough to get them back on track.

Taking this approach in the Eagles case means it’s not relevant to refuse them assistance just because they won the flag in 2018, but equally their rebuild hasn’t been proven a fail yet as it simply hasn’t been long enough to determine that there’s no way they can become competitive again with the bulk of their list and the regular draft and trade mechanisms. They also have strong local talent they can still attract, a great financial position and a strong brand. Hard to tell what the AFL will do (expect something dumb like a single end of first round pick) but I imagine the Eagles’ case for assistance would be a lot more compelling if they had sacked their coach to try something different (and failed), split their picks or been proactive in bringing in a batch of players (rather than hold on to Reid for example) or simply if the club was so poorly run that the AFL couldn’t see how it could get back up on its own again.

What utter drivel. You should get draft picks if you have poor facilities?

Oh and this is a good one. ‘Priority picks shouldn’t be linked to poor performance, that’s what the draft is for’… you do realise priority picks are located in the draft? So you are making the case for priority picks for poor performance.

What a smeghead.

 

[King Hansen]

You do realise that if afl did not give handouts, we would still have drafted Judd yeh?

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Big club does not equal more salary cap or draft picks.

Not in Australia, where being a big club means you have to give up large portions (millions) to poor clubs to remain solvent, let alone relevant.

Nah, if WC didn't get PP, they wouldn't have Judd.

 

[Elixuh]

Hmm, unsurprising to see the expected supporter groups against it.

If the draft wasn't as heavily compromised as it is, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

Instead, we have North receiving picks like candy, despite having the most top 10 picks of any club at the time, as well as refusing to split first rounders unless necessary(JHF trade).

North did everything they could to game the system and asked for assistance 3 years running.

They also would continue to be dropped up by the AFL to ensure the guaranteed amount of games were broadcast for TV rights, as Duff said

North were already past the point of needing priority assistance when they actually received it.

Also, how many close games did they 'lose' last year?

WCE have won 5 of the last 43, for an average losing margin of around 10 goals.

North don't come close to that over the past couple of years.

If North can qualify for assistance with the amount of high draft picks they'd already had, WCE can get some kind of package for only having 3 top 10 picks in over a decade...

lol yet WCE supporters were some of the most vocal when the Lions were applying for a pick and ended up with pick 19.

Swings and roundabouts. The AFL should have discretion to intervene and give clubs assistance.

Any club supporters who disagree have short memories or support teams who consistently manage to lure top players to their club with the promise of turning them into professional property investors off the field.

 

[bzparkes]

lol yet WCE supporters were some of the most vocal when the Lions were applying for a pick and ended up with pick 19.

Swings and roundabouts. The AFL should have discretion to intervene and give clubs assistance.

Any club supporters who disagree have short memories or support teams who consistently manage to lure top players to their club with the promise of turning them into professional property investors off the field.

Were they?

I don't even recall Lions asking for one myself.

I guess you were more than compensated with your own academy you have priority access to.

 

[DanWCE]

Forget about comparing teams and how bad they each were at a point in time to receive extra assistance from the AFL, just for a sec.

The idea of assistance in the form of priority picks isn’t or shouldn’t be simply linked just to poor performance. That’s what the regular draft is for. It shouldn’t also be linked to trade gambles and moves that didn’t pay off as that is a one off issue that the years can fix.

Extra assistance should come if a club has repeatedly failed to get itself back to competitiveness because of some form of structural issue. For example the very fact that the club has underperformed for so long and with multiple attempts that they simply can’t attract new talent and can’t retain the one they get through the regular draft. Or the club has gone through major issue with finances impacting their facilities and attractiveness. Or, controversial perhaps, the club lives outside of AFL heartland and is losing too much talent as a result. That sort of structural issue, combined with proven underperformance over the years would show that the usual mechanisms won’t be enough to get them back on track.

Taking this approach in the Eagles case means it’s not relevant to refuse them assistance just because they won the flag in 2018, but equally their rebuild hasn’t been proven a fail yet as it simply hasn’t been long enough to determine that there’s no way they can become competitive again with the bulk of their list and the regular draft and trade mechanisms. They also have strong local talent they can still attract, a great financial position and a strong brand. Hard to tell what the AFL will do (expect something dumb like a single end of first round pick) but I imagine the Eagles’ case for assistance would be a lot more compelling if they had sacked their coach to try something different (and failed), split their picks or been proactive in bringing in a batch of players (rather than hold on to Reid for example) or simply if the club was so poorly run that the AFL couldn’t see how it could get back up on its own again.

Agree with a fair bit of this. We did trade down to generate an extra early pick and the following year split our first pick. So with 2 years worth of first round picks we have generated 3 x 1sts and a second.

I don't subscribe to the theory that we are solely responsible for dragging ourselves out of the hole by trading away pick 1 (Reid) because the draft has finally reached a point that it is so compromised our usual pick 19 ends up pick 30. That's a mess the AFL created and I think we're within our rights to have that considered at the end of the season, especially if history goes close to repeating again this year.

Personally I don't think access to more picks for more kids is the answer. Id prefer we were offered picks that must be traded to plug the hole in our list of battle hardened players. And it should be said that is my second preference to a non compromised draft with no PPs to begin with. Would be quite comfortable digging ourselves out of this mess with pick 1 and 19 for a few seasons but that's not the reality.

 

[Lia]

lol yet WCE supporters were some of the most vocal when the Lions were applying for a pick and ended up with pick 19.

Swings and roundabouts. The AFL should have discretion to intervene and give clubs assistance.

Any club supporters who disagree have short memories or support teams who consistently manage to lure top players to their club with the promise of turning them into professional property investors off the field.

Supporters are self interested, nothing new there. From memory you were very bad in 2016 with terrible player retention so a PP shouldn't have been particularly egregious.

 

[Elixuh]

I think WCE will be ready for assistance either end of next year or 2026.

 

[gillon]

Agreed on the romance of father/son selections being ok going forward - the idea of little Mundy's and Pav's running around is the stuff of dreams

However, it bloody sucks for young teams like us. Still can't believe they ruled us ineligible for Ed Allen considering his dad was our inaugural captain

The current rules are extremely unfair but that’s not obviously a priority for the AFL.

Clubs having access to superstar prospects for a few third rounders is laughable.

 

[nameless]

No priority pick please, just drop the whole thing. Is more draft dilution.

North's tin rattling has made things harder for us no doubt, but it needs to stop. If we get additional picks, it'll just cause another team to suffer down the track.

At worst you give a pick that needs to be traded or additional cap space to attract players and coaches.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Funny thing is west coast drafted well in that 2010 draft.

Also Freo finished bottom 6 in 2011, dockers 1st pick was like pick 16 due to GWS picks.

I love how the eagles fans such as you are complaining about NGA picks or swans academy picks.

Do I really give a stuff if swans use pick 10 on academy kids? Nope.

bzparkes and all those other eagles fans are pissing and moaning about eagles 2nd rounder being pushed back to pick 30 or 35.

It's father son picks or academy picks that are the bids. Not local WAFL talent.

Eagles have a next generation academy like every other club.

I am sure the eagles can back their recruitment staff to get some teenage WAFL talent.

Northern academies get to keep all their kids while nga can’t match top 40. But you knew that right?

 

[Iceman!]

Wait i haven't followed this at all and assumed people were just taking the piss?

No one actually thinks a team that has had the amount of success West Coast has had over the past 15 years deserves hand outs right?

I detest all priority picks (even the ones my club was given). I think the draft system needs a complete overhaul (piss off father son, major changes to academies). But even ignoring all that and assuming we keep the current system in no world does a team coming off that much success deserve a hand out of any kind.

 

[ghostbat12]

Nah, if WC didn't get PP, they wouldn't have Judd.

Picks 1 and 2 were priority picks as well moron. Top 3 were all priority picks Without priority pick system, no one gets one. Picks become as per normal.

Honestly, school system in this country ish shocking.

 

[ghostbat12]

lol yet WCE supporters were some of the most vocal when the Lions were applying for a pick and ended up with pick 19.

Swings and roundabouts. The AFL should have discretion to intervene and give clubs assistance.

Any club supporters who disagree have short memories or support teams who consistently manage to lure top players to their club with the promise of turning them into professional property investors off the field.

Oh you are making it up. What basis do you have that we were most vocal? Opinion isn’t facts.

 

[King Hansen]

Picks 1 and 2 were priority picks as well moron. Top 3 were all priority picks Without priority pick system, no one gets one. Picks become as per normal.

Honestly, school system in this country ish shocking.

I know that. I said if WC didn't get handouts. Never said anything about Freo and St Kilda.

I didn't say if there wasn't a priority pick system. Only if WC didn't get any.

So you're wrong. If WC didn't get a PP, they wouldn't get Judd. Freo would have.

 

[Elixuh]

Oh you are making it up. What basis do you have that we were most vocal? Opinion isn’t facts.

Some of the most vocal is what I said. Learn to read pal