At this point in time it seems obvious that West Coast are in better shape than Adelaide. However, we know that things can turn around quite quickly, for individual players and teams.
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West Coast or Adelaide - Who is better placed?
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A bigger deal out west.
In terms of structure and set up, West Coast are about a year ahead of us.
If we keep Dangerfield/get good compensation for him and have another year of getting our structure right then who knows, as, i wouldn't say we're that far behind currently.
If we keep Dangerfield/get good compensation for him and have another year of getting our structure right then who knows, as, i wouldn't say we're that far behind currently.
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Can't say at the moment.
We are adapting too a new system under Walsh while west coast are into their third year with their coach and are finally seeing the reward.
Both teams have some injuries, both teams have some talent.
We are adapting too a new system under Walsh while west coast are into their third year with their coach and are finally seeing the reward.
Both teams have some injuries, both teams have some talent.
I think you'll get a much better look at Adelaide next year to be honest. We were in a similar spot last year with simmo as the new coach; it takes time to implement a game plan.
Was surprised by the age demographic of their list- it's very good. Lots of guys in that mid 20's, with a few mature blokes to guide them, and some very good young kids coming though. Similar to west coast actually.
Adelaide's defense is young but solid, their mids are very good, and they have a top forward line as well.
If they don't finish top 6 this year, I expect them too next year, regardless of where Dangerfield finds himself next year.
Then I think a comparison will be much more relevant iMO.
Was surprised by the age demographic of their list- it's very good. Lots of guys in that mid 20's, with a few mature blokes to guide them, and some very good young kids coming though. Similar to west coast actually.
Adelaide's defense is young but solid, their mids are very good, and they have a top forward line as well.
If they don't finish top 6 this year, I expect them too next year, regardless of where Dangerfield finds himself next year.
Then I think a comparison will be much more relevant iMO.
I do think Adelaide are under performing at the moment, maybe they can improve with more games with the coach, but they haven't been performing as well as they should be for a while now. Just look at the teams:
Walker - Kennedy
Betts - LeCreas
Jenkins - Darling
Lynch - Hill
Cameron - Cripps
Thompson - Priddis
Sloane - Masten
Dangerfield - Shuey
Crouch - Yeo
Crouch - Sheed
Van Berlo - Rosa
Mackay - Gaff
Ellis-Yeomen - Duggan
Jacobs - Naitanui
Talia - McGovern
Laird - Wellingham
I realise the like for likes are not perfect, but the gap doesn't seem to be as wide as it currently is. West Coast have a second ruckman and have much better KPF depth, but midfield and forwardline are pretty close.
Walker - Kennedy
Betts - LeCreas
Jenkins - Darling
Lynch - Hill
Cameron - Cripps
Thompson - Priddis
Sloane - Masten
Dangerfield - Shuey
Crouch - Yeo
Crouch - Sheed
Van Berlo - Rosa
Mackay - Gaff
Ellis-Yeomen - Duggan
Jacobs - Naitanui
Talia - McGovern
Laird - Wellingham
I realise the like for likes are not perfect, but the gap doesn't seem to be as wide as it currently is. West Coast have a second ruckman and have much better KPF depth, but midfield and forwardline are pretty close.
Some of those comparisons are pretty off tbh, but it's hard to do.
Adelaide have better top end midfield talent, but i think we have a much better spread of players that rotate through the middle.
Naitanui ~ Priddis ~ Shuey ~ Yeo ~ Gaff ~ Masten ~ Duggan ~ Sheed ~ Rosa ~ Lecras ~ Selwood
Vs
Jacobs ~ Dangerfield ~ Sloane ~ Thompson ~ B.Crouch ~ Douglas ~ Van Berlo ~ Ellis-Yolmen ~ M.Crouch ~ B.Smith ~ ???
I think the Eagles would come out ahead in most match ups bar the A grade mids of Adelaide, with a few close match ups.
Not sure the gap between the two can be explained by lacking a tenth rotation though. And, to me anyway, the lack of a tenth midfielder should be mitigated by Dangerfield and Sloane being better than any West Coast midfielder (at least, they have the talent to be anyway). Plus Rosa hasn't played much and Selwood isn't that much to be honest, sometimes his kicking is a liability.
A couple of years ago you might not have said that though. West Coast are performing well and they have a seasoned midfield, I just wonder though whether Adelaide are under performing. It's not as if they've lost form or something, their 2015 form has been patchy like it has for a while.
They probably have a 10th rotation i just genuinely didn't know who it was, hence the question marks.
Overall i just think we bat deeper in terms of quality on the ball, at this moment in time.
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I'm not going to lie, at the start of this year I had Adelaide hitting the top 4 and West Coast missing the 8 completely, with my lack of belief in WCE being able to replicate what I define as the best game I had seen them play in a while (vs Adelaide @ AO last year) for a year. Right now though, WCE are better placed by a large shot and have eliminated all disbelief regarding their defensive deficiencies quickly.
Walsh has a game plan he wants to instill over at Adelaide and you don't have it in place in the span of a year. Give him 3 years over there and I think Adelaide will be a strong threat - I think WCE are looking to go deep into finals this year.
Still, another 11 rounds to go. Shit changes.
Walsh has a game plan he wants to instill over at Adelaide and you don't have it in place in the span of a year. Give him 3 years over there and I think Adelaide will be a strong threat - I think WCE are looking to go deep into finals this year.
Still, another 11 rounds to go. Shit changes.
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Only when he kicks!
I agree that something just seems off at Adelaide. On paper they are slightly ahead of WC I would say with Danger and Sloane a cut above.
I expect the Crows could take a leap forward, possibly before the end of the year, once they grasp Walsh's plans better. Eagles have definitely taken a step forward in their second year under Simpson with largely the same personnel.
I like the team but the hubris of their supporters is Hawk-ish. Scary ...
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Not traditional midfield, but guessing you havent watched too much of the crows this year if you think he cant run through there.
Also with a midfield of Sloane, Thompson, Dangerfield, Crouch, Douglas etc we dont need the best small forward in the game to be playing in the centre square.
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Sliding?
We were outside the 8 last year, and will most likely make it this year.
Unlike other sides we don't have our best players all in the 30+ years old bracket. In fact we only have 1 guy in the best 22 who is 30+.
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Weakness now.
But find me another backline where pretty much the entire group have played under 50 games.
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That's a fair point, one I hadn't realised.
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This is a point not spoken about enough.
Especially when you have Reilly (retired) and Pods (not best 22) lifting the average list age, it will go down even more next year.
The age of the best 22 would be even lower.
I'd have to say the Eagles are ahead on the curve, but things change quickly.... just think that the Eagles got a priority pick in 2008...two years after winning the flag. Managed to get a pretty handy player in Luke Shuey with the resulting pick.
So it was premiership, to the bottom, and back to finals in about 6 years for the eagles. Just never know what's going to happen.
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Average age for best 22 in 2015
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Meh, we're placed ok. Not particularly young or old.
VB being dropped would bring it down a bit.
Thommo 32, VB 29, Eddie 28, Douglas 28, Sauce 27 are the oldest in the 22.
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True dat. Things turned around for the Eagles between rounds three and four.
He took over in 2013, so technically it's his third year
Which team are you even referring to? Ambiguous post is ambiguous
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