What does Andrew Symonds need to do to cement a Test spot beyond the 2007/08 summer?

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Barring injury, Symonds is the only member of the Australian top 7 who could be dropped before the end of this summer.

Jaques has earned his spot and will be given time to make it his own. The other guys are safe.

Symonds needs to make his mark at #6. There are some handy batsmen outside the team, and for all the voodoo about the value of the all-rounder, the only real currency is runs - and Symonds needs to score quite a few if he wants his Test career to be more than a cameo.

His Test average currently sits at 27. That's nowhere near good enough.

His ODI form has been exceptional since 2003 and the selectors will hope that he turned the corner at the MCG last year against England.

Symonds is a popular cricketer and I think most people would like to see him lock down a spot. I would definitely prefer to see him play ahead of Watson. But being a good bloke and an awesome fielder is not sufficient.

Symonds needs to deliver this summer or his Test career will be over.

Previously, he's played some very scratchy innings where he's looked totally uncomfortable. He's staggered into double figures before sending an edge to the keeper, holing out or chopping onto his stumps. There are times when he's resembled a park cricketer.

Blasting a quickfire 70 when we're already 4/360 should not be the benchmark. There will be situations when we've lost a couple of quick wickets, bringing Symonds to the crease. He needs to demonstrate that he can handle that situation. If he is regularly the second or third bunny in a mini-collapse, he's not going to last.

It's hard to see him being dropped before the start of the series against India, and he'll probably be given all six Tests unless he totally drops his bundle.

To stay beyond that, he needs to contribute consistently with the bat and probably post a couple of big scores.

If he can average 40+ over those six Tests, he will hold his spot for the tour of the West Indies. Anything less than that and Shane Watson, or hopefully someone else, will be knocking.

I hope Symonds cements his spot this summer, but I have my doubts.
 
Consistently make runs and hope that Watson's injury woes continue. If Robot had stayed fit Roy wouldn't be in the side.

A batting slump is what will see him replaced... keep scoring runs and he'll keep his spot. His bowling is important only in managing the workload of other quicks, and to provide some variety.
 

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He needs to average about 40 runs in the series and get 1 - 2 wickets per match and be economical or Watson will take his spot.
 
Its about building an innings in the circumstances.

In test cricket the bowlers get more time to attack his weakness than in One Day cricket. Andy gets a bit shaky when his natural attacking style gets hampard a bit and plays the wrong shot at the wrong time. If he can compose himself and pick the moment for the shot there is no reason why he cannot make a go of test cricket.
 
He's in the side to score runs. 40ish average would be fine. The odd wicket would be a bonus.
 
He's in the side to score runs. 40ish average would be fine. The odd wicket would be a bonus.
agreed.

would want to finish have a career average up above 35ish by the time the new years test rolls around otherwise there will be a lot of pressure from the likes od Watson, D Hussey, Hodge and maybe one or two others depending on their form in the sheffield shield.

a few wickets wouldn't harm his cause either, but if he doesn't get any runs he'll be gone, unless he starts taking regular 3 and 4 wicket bags in which case he might be demoted to number 8 and play as the spinner... that is rather unlikely though.
 
Consistently make runs and hope that Watson's injury woes continue. If Robot had stayed fit Roy wouldn't be in the side.

A batting slump is what will see him replaced... keep scoring runs and he'll keep his spot. His bowling is important only in managing the workload of other quicks, and to provide some variety.
Yep that's right. Has to continue his form since his recall last summer. He would've got a lot of confidence out of the 150.

Murali's his biggest challenge, he killed Symonds in the last Sri Lankan tests but he hasn't bothered him one-dayers since.

I agree he's under most pressure cos of Watson but i'm sure he'll be a key member for years. Between being more mature, more self-confident and his sheer talent, he'll cement it.
 
Make runs, his overall record isn't brilliant, but it's on the improve, the odd quickfire cameo Gilly style would be good, given that he bats at 6 and we'll be past 400 by the time he gets in.

Blasting a quickfire 70 when we're already 4/360 should not be the benchmark.

The trouble with coming in at such a stage as this is that there really isn't much else to do. What's wrong with a quick 70 to add the icing on the innings? 70 is a good score. Chances are he'll be coming at 4/lots.

But yes if it is 4/not many then his innings will be judged more, because it's more important.

Bowling wise is just to keep it economical for the few overs he gets while the main attack have a rest
 
Needs to average around 40 for the six Tests.

He especially needs to prove that he can come in when we're 4 for not much, and build a partnership when a Test is in the balance.

His bowling is not so important - IMO he's basically in the side to bat, and if he can't live his performances over the next 6 Tests, then it will be the end of his career in the baggy green.
 
He needs to be able to be solid, and not contribute to batting collapses. Need's to hang in there when the time is tough, and score runs/build innings like he does in an ODI, but adjust himself to test level.

I was going to make a thread about this myself. Personally i don't think he'll make it, i'd like him to, just cant see it.
 
I think his main problem in the past has been thinking to much and not playing his natural game. If he can stop thinking i think he'l be fine.
 

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Good topic.

Barring injury, Symonds is the only member of the Australian top 7 who could be dropped before the end of this summer.

Not really. Jaques coming in could lose his spot after a a few if Rogers fires up again. Johnson and Tait could take each others spot. And MacGill and Hogg are very iffy.

His Test average currently sits at 27. That's nowhere near good enough.
To be fair, he debuted in a tough series in Sri Lanka, he has played less then 15 Tests I think. Now with that 156 and the form he is in, that will rise this summer.

Symonds is a popular cricketer and I think most people would like to see him lock down a spot. I would definitely prefer to see him play ahead of Watson. But being a good bloke and an awesome fielder is not sufficient.

Yes, Symonds is well liked (more then that twat, Shane Watson...).

Symonds needs to deliver this summer or his Test career will be over.
True, at his age, this is deffo his last chance.

Previously, he's played some very scratchy innings where he's looked totally uncomfortable. He's staggered into double figures before sending an edge to the keeper, holing out or chopping onto his stumps. There are times when he's resembled a park cricketer.

Blasting a quickfire 70 when we're already 4/360 should not be the benchmark. There will be situations when we've lost a couple of quick wickets, bringing Symonds to the crease. He needs to demonstrate that he can handle that situation. If he is regularly the second or third bunny in a mini-collapse, he's not going to last.

First paragraph, true.

Second, yeah, but during the Ashes Symonds came in at 5-70 odd when the bowlers had their tales up and conditions werent easy. He showed his worth in making that 156 didn't he?


It's hard to see him being dropped before the start of the series against India, and he'll probably be given all six Tests unless he totally drops his bundle.

To stay beyond that, he needs to contribute consistently with the bat and probably post a couple of big scores.

If he can average 40+ over those six Tests, he will hold his spot for the tour of the West Indies. Anything less than that and Shane Watson, or hopefully someone else, will be knocking.

I hope Symonds cements his spot this summer, but I have my doubts.

Yeah, he will get the 6, that gives him enough time to cement or show he cant cut it. It will be interesting. Hope he does well.
 
Not really. Jaques coming in could lose his spot after a a few if Rogers fires up again. Johnson and Tait could take each others spot. And MacGill and Hogg are very iffy.
Disagree.

Why would they pick Jaques for two or three Tests?

He'll get the summer.

As for the bowlers you've mentioned, they're not in the top 7, which is all I was referring to. Try reading my posts before you respond.

Second, yeah, but during the Ashes Symonds came in at 5-70 odd when the bowlers had their tales up and conditions werent easy. He showed his worth in making that 156 didn't he?
That was one innings.

If that's all Symonds has to hang his hat on at the end of this summer, then his Test career will be over.

People can't keep saying "Well, he made 156 against England once so he deserves his spot." That's ridiculous.
 
Disagree.

Why would they pick Jaques for two or three Tests?

He'll get the summer.

As for the bowlers you've mentioned, they're not in the top 7, which is all I was referring to. Try reading my posts before you respond.

That was one innings.

If that's all Symonds has to hang his hat on at the end of this summer, then his Test career will be over.

People can't keep saying "Well, he made 156 against England once so he deserves his spot." That's ridiculous.
So if Jaques gets single figures for 4 or 5 innings in the SL/Ind series whilst Rogers scores 3 hundreds in the Pura Cup? The selectors will have to go with Rogers.

Well, Symonds is only starting, that innings may kick start his career. We will have to wait and see...
 
So if Jaques gets single figures for 4 or 5 innings in the SL/Ind series whilst Rogers scores 3 hundreds in the Pura Cup? The selectors will have to go with Rogers.

Well, Symonds is only starting, that innings may kick start his career. We will have to wait and see...
I expect the selectors will give Jacques a decent run - ie. at least 4 tests to prove himself. The odds are it is unlikely he will be dropped this Summer - but sure there is a chance.

Back to the topic, Symonds needs to average above 40 to lock in his spot. His bowling & fielding are a bonus.
 
So if Jaques gets single figures for 4 or 5 innings in the SL/Ind series whilst Rogers scores 3 hundreds in the Pura Cup? The selectors will have to go with Rogers.
Not necessarily.

They've picked a new opening batsman. If he's good enough to pick for one Test, he's good enough to pick for six.

Well, Symonds is only starting, that innings may kick start his career. We will have to wait and see.
Yeah, like I said - that was one innings.

"Wait and see" isn't a counter-argument.
 
Not necessarily.

They've picked a new opening batsman. If he's good enough to pick for one Test, he's good enough to pick for six.

Yeah, like I said - that was one innings.

"Wait and see" isn't a counter-argument.
Wait and see is a counter argument, the bloke has barely played Test Cricket.
 
Hope Shane Watson can't stay on the park...

I have little doubt that if Watson can get and stay fit, the selectors would pick him before Symonds.

i believe haddin is ROY's main threat, he's certainly one of the best batsmen in the country at the moment...

he breathing heavily down ROY's back. seen a couple of dismal scores from ROY against the lankans over the weekend as well....i got the feeling also that murali will really trouble ROY...whats his past like against him???

haddin just keep making runs, he's being hurt by being the back-up to the best keeper batsmen ever to play the game.....
 
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