I've got it pencilled in already
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What exactly is Ross Lyon's new game plan for Freo?
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I've got it pencilled in already
Where are you guys going to get two first rounders from?
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Lyon has a lot to prove in the coming years.
If he cannot successfully get Freo back on track and alter their game plan away from a defensive press then no other team will want him as their coach.
If he cannot successfully get Freo back on track and alter their game plan away from a defensive press then no other team will want him as their coach.
you have this years and next years, Adelaide would be giving you another.
But the word is from some journo Neale wanted to head to Victoria.
I'm not angry. Just tired of reading the same uninformed shit again and again.
'ross doesn't play youth'
'ross is too defensive'
'ross doesn't know how to spell rebuild'
Again and again and again and again and again. The club resigned him, now he has until 2020 to show us what he can do on field.
I keep saying again and again if anyone should be under scrutiny right now it is Chris Bond not Ross. Ross cam only use the players he gets given. Poor decisions in the draft over the last few years coupled with odd trading has really hurt us and that is fairly on the domain of Chris Bond.
Edit: key point is Chris Bond should be under pressure and we should be looking at new Football Operations Manager in my view.
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crippton09
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The players obtained by Freo were recruited in order to execute the defensive press/ slog playing style. Most of them just don't have the skill to execute a high octane offensive style. Unfortunately for Lyon and Freo, the effectiveness of the defensive pressed reached its peak a couple of years ago. And even then, it couldn't beat the benchmark of the competition in Hawthorn. Freo are stuck in the perfect storm, there has been a strategical shift and the squad itself is stale and is in desperate need of rejuvenation.
Although I did see Freo sliding down the ladder this season, I expected them to still make the eight. However, I think I overestimated their ability. There is no evidence to suggest they will turn this around, their skills look horrible in 2016. They have been ordinary since the middle of last year really, I think many forget their finish to last season. The second half of last season plus the beginning of this season is a fair sample size. That Qualifying final against us provides a good example. We were gone for the year, no Buddy, a few passengers, injuries piling up and we STILL would have beaten them if we had kicked moderately straight.
I predict Freo will be 2-8 after 10 rounds, and will win 7-8 games for the year. Their premiership window has passed, and think it will take a couple of years before we see them in the finals again.
However, I still think Ross is one of best coaches in the game. I expect he has the capactity to turn this around, but think it will take time. A couple of years of good draft picks will do them good. If they get Hogan/McCarthy and Hooker, that will help them immensely. Will at least freshen up the place.
Although I did see Freo sliding down the ladder this season, I expected them to still make the eight. However, I think I overestimated their ability. There is no evidence to suggest they will turn this around, their skills look horrible in 2016. They have been ordinary since the middle of last year really, I think many forget their finish to last season. The second half of last season plus the beginning of this season is a fair sample size. That Qualifying final against us provides a good example. We were gone for the year, no Buddy, a few passengers, injuries piling up and we STILL would have beaten them if we had kicked moderately straight.
I predict Freo will be 2-8 after 10 rounds, and will win 7-8 games for the year. Their premiership window has passed, and think it will take a couple of years before we see them in the finals again.
However, I still think Ross is one of best coaches in the game. I expect he has the capactity to turn this around, but think it will take time. A couple of years of good draft picks will do them good. If they get Hogan/McCarthy and Hooker, that will help them immensely. Will at least freshen up the place.
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Yes Bond is part to blame, but the coach has just as big a say over player acquisition
Not really.
It wouldn't be much different to our position now. In that even if we make the finals, we won't be contending. Most freo fans realize we need to tweak the game plan and play the youngsters this year, in the hope of rising again next year and not completely bottoming out.
Sheesh. Look at you all go, you people from other clubs. Enjoying yourselves are you? Like sticking the boot in do you? Enjoy. It's been awhile. There hasn't been much to sink your teeth into really, unlike masten. All the blah blah blahing about our game plan. Clearly it's a work in progress. Deal with it.
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Where have you been. bigfooty is mostly supporters from opposition clubs sinking the boot in. You just haven't copped it for a while so it stings a little more. Not me I've gone numb :/
Where have you been. bigfooty is mostly supporters from opposition clubs sinking the boot in. You just haven't copped it for a while so it stings a little more. Not me I've gone numb :/
It's only of minor consequence to me what they say. Being numb to it and I can see why a carlton supporter would be, puts you in a good place. You can enjoy the rebuild and the wins when they come.
Actually no he doesn't. Ross doesn't even attend the draft. Part of his contract is that Chris and his recruitment manager have the final say on all draft and trading decisions.
That's exactly what I'm talking about with uninformed opinions.
We've been over this.
Ross attends drafts to flip off the new recruits and tell them that he hopes they enjoy playing in the WAFL.
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Is that game plan and strategy part of the football program that ross said he has failed in implementing?
So wheres the problem here? Freo fans last year were adamant that they would not be like st kilda of 2011 because their recruitment and development was better. Now we are here and you've had a poorer start to the season even after the saints lost their best mid to an ACL
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I think the problem is that he hasn't seen the writing on the wall with a number of average players that hurt Fremantle in relation to their ball use & decision making. He also hasn't read the trend that teams have to attack more, not just because Hawthorn are successful at it but because change to rotation cap, holding the ball and deliberate rules just make it even harder to play that hard grind stoppage football.
The team he should have looked to establish should have looked something like this:
FB: Ibbotson Silvagni Spurr
HB: Johnson Pearce A. Tucker
M: Bennell Mundy Hill
HF: Pavlich Clarke Crozier
FF: Ballantyne Griffin Walters
Fol: Sandilands Fyfe Neale
Int: Sheridan Langdon Weller Sutcliffe
Sandi will be out for a while so Griffin can move to the ruck and Clarke to FF to provide a target, he can rotate with Griffin. Apeness is also injured and Balic is coming off an injury so not sure there is another good third tall option, don't like the look of Hannath. I'd probably bring Grey in and perhaps push Bennell forward a bit more.
Dawson, De Boer, Pearce D., Mayne, Suban and Mzungu are horrible footballers, I don't mind Barlow but he is too slow when combined with Mundy and Fyfe, keep him for depth this year, I think Mundy is still injured so I'd use him to replace Mundy while he is out.
Hill is horribly under-utilised as a half-back flanker. Having some wheels like Bennell and Hill on the wings would compliment a core mid of Fyfe/Mundy/Neale. D. Pearce is quick but he is a horrendous footballer who constantly makes bad decisions and executes even worse.
For a team that bangs it long too much, having Pav as the only 190cm+ forward is a terrible plan, given he isn't the greatest overhead contested marking forward. Need some height there so even if they don't mark it they can bring it to ground for the likes of Walters and Ballantyne.
I think putting more kids in the side would give a bit more life to the side, Langdon and Weller are good quality kids, if a key defender goes down bring in Collins, have a look at Blakely and Balic when they are not injured and get a bit of form in the WAFL.
its a magical place known as rooty hill RSL club.
Calling Freo dead after only 3 rounds is a little premature IMHO.
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And if they lose on the weekend?
A enquiry about costs to Tobin Brothers would at least be permitted.
It's a combination of factors as you well know. My point is that blaming them all on Ross is ridiculous. Ross has gameplan and gameday strategy issues to deal with, there's no doubt about that and despite your juvenile attempt to obfuscate his press conference responses it's clear he accepts he is accountable for those issues.
The Fremantle Board obviously feel he is up to task, time will tell if that's correct. One things for sure though if Bondy and co don't deliver him more tall talent to work with he's up against it.
Well...at least that was moderately original. Plenty of 2nd and 3rd year players have got game time this year. Expect to see more of this, and Ross confirmed that in this week's presser.
sorry but that's nonsense, what your suggesting is that there's a breakdown between the type of players the coach has requested and the type of players the the recruiters have sought out.
I've been happy to have a laugh about the ongoing Ross lyon can he, can't he debate since this thread started, especially when the clubs playing finals.
But what your suggesting is that there's an under lying cluster**** brewing at fremantle, in which case the clubs in a lot more shit then whether Ross can deliver a flag.
the board that's backing Ross is the same board that's backing the footy department. If those guys aren't working in lockstep with one another things are going to go **** up.
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