Dem feelsGee that 2009 draft has hurt us.
Imagine Menzel, Duncan, Christensen, Vardy, Cowan.
No fault of the club though.
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No fault of the club though.
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Punch his hand through a wall in the coaching box?
Abuse some old man running the water?
Abuse an opposition player?
Hmm- or has already been said?
I agree. Ridiculous histronics don't make a coach good.
nathan ablett 2007 grand final
clinton grybas? 3aw?
its the only time i have heard that word
i think we all know the passage of play im talking about
AC is currently the best. But it helps to have a great team at your disposal.
The Cats beat every side they played for 100s of games, and flogged most of them regularly as well.
And Bomber T just sat in the box eating sandwiches!
There's no way McIntosh should go beyond this year. You're also using players in the current lineup. Who will replace those few you've listed? So we are replacing 200-300 gamers with, 100 or less, then replacing those guys with players with less than 10-15 games?
I'm also unsure stokes will last that long either, rivers is also a long bow to draw continuing another year.
More holes than a Swiss cheese factory.
Then throw in Menzel, Cowan. By then Harry is 31-32.
So turning over a third of the list in about 3 years, without ready considering those who just aren't up to AFL standard.
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Measured and reasonable post!!
Next week will be when we can start sharpening knives. Round 1 is historically f*cked because every team has been in a bubble for 6 months.
Not for us, we won in Round 1 in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2014.
You left out random kids at Auskick.
Maybe, maybe not. We simply don't know and can't know that.
Not like you TC, I never said anything about the red carpet treatment, I said form should be rewarded. Horlin-Smith got dropped - correctly - and played a very good game doing exactly the kind of role we need. Winning contested possessions and clearances. He's young too. I'd bring him for Kelly in a heartbeat. Gore is yet to debut, so obviously he's an unknown quantity. Blease could be a useful replacement for Stokes though. Sure it's riskier, but he's much younger and much quicker. Has some senior experience too.
How many have called for Enright's head? I certainly said that if he offers multiple repeat performances like yesterday he should be dropped, and I stand by that. He was terrible yesterday and criticism is entirely warranted.
As for the last sentence, sure pre-season form is encouraging, but it's just that. No matter how highly they were ranked in the NAB Cup, they found yesterday the real thing against Hawthorn is slightly tougher. Both were obliterated (they had plenty of mates of course).
No matter how much we'd like to ignore it, for Bartel, Kelly, Stokes, and Enright (at least), they're on the downhill slide now. It's just a fact. They aren't going to roll the clock back and play like they're 25. We can either acknowledge, and start thinking about contingencies fast, or completely ignore it and stay deluded. I know what I'd prefer the club do. We'll find out as the season goes on which is correct.
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you're right. They missed the finals.
And that was the flag WE gifted them before their time- or so it is written
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Lost in 2007. Based on that precedent I'm calling it Geelong will win the premiership this year.
I am using ones in the current lineup, who we have put games into over the last three years - because that is what succession planning is. You don't replace club leaders with rookies, you replace them with players who are establishing themselves as top-line AFL players with several seasons under their belts. Of all the players I mentioned, Guthrie has played the most games with 65.
These players are then replaced with rookies like Gregson, Cockatoo, Jansen, Gore &etc.
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Have to admit it, but as I missed the 63 GF by virtue of a year, (I was 7) Hawthorn, in my history as a Geelong supporter, SEEMS to have our measure in the BIG scheme of things. (Dare I say - when it counts??)Erk-
They missed the finals.
And that was the flag WE gifted them before their time- or so it is written
Big statement given our recent 11-0, but really only 1 of those wins was emphatic and it happened to be the 2011 final!
Gee that 2009 draft has hurt us.
Imagine Menzel, Duncan, Christensen, Vardy, Cowan, Laidler, all in our side and with the physical freedom and experience that their draft peers like Fyfe/Martin/Talia/Jetta/Carlisle/Gunston now have.
That has affected us immensely. If Menzel and Vardy had remained fit, Christensen had stayed and Cowan was able to show some of potential we would be in a far better position than we currently are.
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I spent most of the past 2 seasons explaining my feelings that Geelong is way too hampered by IFFY players.
If only..
If only...
If only.......
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Murdoch, Smedts, Horlin-Smith, Simpson, Walker, Thurlow, Kersten, Bews, Hartman, McCarthy, Lang, Cockatoo, Gregson .....
DON'T YOU DAREMurdoch, Smedts, Horlin-Smith, Simpson, Walker, Thurlow, Kersten, Bews, Hartman, McCarthy, Lang, Cockatoo, Gregson .....
I am so glad we've had this discussion.....
So we replace 8 players in two years, all veterans, with players already in the team. Then replace those with 8 untried players with no experience.
Wasn't that my point.
The 2009 draft could have been the miracle that delivered us the fourth flag - probably in 2013. But maybe the football gods thought we had our fair share. The Menzel-Christensen-Vardy situation is probably my only source of Geelong related sadness over last decade. 2008 doesn't even hurt like seeing unfulfilled young talent.
Three years.
And I think your alternative scenario was dealing with a situation where we've already gotten rid of all them, which is a case of replacing 8 players all at once. One involves easing players into the team through roles like tagging, the backline and half-foward, the other involves throwing them straight at the coalface without any guidance. They're not all Selwoods.
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I apologise for slipping in a few 'over the top' analogies, Partridge, and replying to some other posters comments while I was replying to what I quoted of yours.
You are perfectly right- you never said "red carpet treatment" but that's how I interpreted the phrase "reward form" in your post that I quoted.
I'm trying to say that a player playing well in VFL is not necessarily better than a senior player whose position he is aiming to take. To play him after one or two good performances in the VFL- just because he has played well AND is younger- is what I would call the red carpet treatment. We don't know if he is sticking to the game plan, obeying coaches' instructions, meeting expectations, etc. This is why we have coaches and a Match Committee who do team selections each week.
Regarding Enright- there are a few posts along the lines of 'too old, too slow', 'should not have gone on', etc. I haven't gone back to check if these posters are the usual Negative Nellie suspects here on BF- quite possibly they were. I just wanted to highlight his 2014 form as being good enough to have been retained- regardless of his 300 game target. That wasn't in regards to anything particular that you've said - apart from the "are they on the right side of 30" point you made about Bartel and Kelly- it was more just an add-on to the B&F info I dug up on B&K, to highlight his recent value to the team.
Yes, if it all goes pear-shaped and their form becomes ordinary over a stretch of a few games, we SHOULD be expecting these players to be dropped. Right now, after one poor game - in which the whole team was down (apart from a small handful)- I don't see any need to hit the red button on the ejection seat just yet on any of these 3 veterans.
Apologies for the long-winded reply. I think I covered most of the points I was trying to make.
Peter Riccardi retired just one year short of a flag. (Yes, I know he was cooked).
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